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(11-27-2016 09:00 AM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  You'd think we lost the game

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Maybe from NC teh scoreboard looked transversed?

Now the guys claims we are a smashmouth running football team. When did that start?

We actually changed the gameplan in the second half to something we havent done all year. When have we ever overloaded one side with a 6th OL and a blocking TE and ran in B and C gap? That is why they coach was drawing up plays on the whiteboard.

I dont think wilder said we "changed" the game plan, he said we saw we had numbers outside so we decided to attack with the option. Then when the turnovers happened they decided to try the heavy set.

We have a staple of plays we run every game. Straight and read option being among them. We typically have a new formation and package of plays for each game...the full house backfield vs Marshall ( or USM) or when Pascal played h back and ran the ball last year. It is something virtually every game.

It was comical to go back and read the gamethread that we won by 14 and put up 42 points. I didnt participate bc I was in the stands freezing my tail off. But, hey, lets criticize the fans as well while you are sitting on the coach in the heat.

Ok, done. Sorry guys.

(11-27-2016 09:27 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Now the guys claims we are a smashmouth running football team. When did that start?

We actually changed the gameplan in the second half to something we havent done all year. When have we ever overloaded one side with a 6th OL and a blocking TE and ran in B and C gap? That is why they coach was drawing up plays on the whiteboard.

I dont think wilder said we "changed" the game plan, he said we saw we had numbers outside so we decided to attack with the option. Then when the turnovers happened they decided to try the heavy set.

We have a staple of plays we run every game. Straight and read option being among them. We typically have a new formation and package of plays for each game...the full house backfield vs Marshall ( or USM) or when Pascal played h back and ran the ball last year. It is something virtually every game.

It was comical to go back and read the gamethread that we won by 14 and put up 42 points. I didnt participate bc I was in the stands freezing my tail off. But, hey, lets criticize the fans as well while you are sitting on the coach in the heat.

Ok, done. Sorry guys.

Kinky...

Lol. Mobile hates me.

I understand the complaint. We had something working and we deviated. But it's as if there is argument just for the sake of argument. If we had done the same thing after seeing something in film everyone would be up in arms complaining we run the same vanilla stuff all the time. Then we do start to be creative and throw more looks at opponents and they are morons. If they were morons they would have stuck with the game plan. But they saw it wasn't working and potentially almost harmed our qb so they switched it up. They did exactly what everyone has been wanting for a couple years now, they changed it up and experimented. It's lose lose with some folks and that's OK. It's your opinion and my opinion is that they saw something in film and formations they thought they could exploit. They tried it. It didn't work and they adjusted and totally out coached fiu.

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Isn't the hallmark of a good team/good coaching the ability to adjust on the fly to what they're seeing from their opponent?

(11-26-2016 11:00 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(11-26-2016 10:53 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  In post game I'll try and paraphrase what I heard.

Basically based on film and formations they did what they thought would work best with the read option to exploit the edges. Dw said he tried to do too much on the last play and he took a helmet to the leg. But before that play wilder said he wanted to kill the option as it wasn't working as well as they had liked so they went back to the drawing board. Oc came up with what we saw in the 2nd and he said it caught fiu totally off guard.

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For a team that seemingly couldn't adjust to anything last season and early this season, we seem to be doing a remarkable job with adjustments on both offense and defense now.

Bump

(11-27-2016 10:48 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(11-26-2016 11:00 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(11-26-2016 10:53 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  In post game I'll try and paraphrase what I heard.

Basically based on film and formations they did what they thought would work best with the read option to exploit the edges. Dw said he tried to do too much on the last play and he took a helmet to the leg. But before that play wilder said he wanted to kill the option as it wasn't working as well as they had liked so they went back to the drawing board. Oc came up with what we saw in the 2nd and he said it caught fiu totally off guard.

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For a team that seemingly couldn't adjust to anything last season and early this season, we seem to be doing a remarkable job with adjustments on both offense and defense now.

Bump

Size and speed can make coaches look a lot smarter. We have a lot more now than we did last year. Should be fun to see what this staff can do with a full roster of only FBS recruits.

(11-27-2016 10:30 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  I understand the complaint. We had something working and we deviated. But it's as if there is argument just for the sake of argument. If we had done the same thing after seeing something in film everyone would be up in arms complaining we run the same vanilla stuff all the time. Then we do start to be creative and throw more looks at opponents and they are morons. If they were morons they would have stuck with the game plan. But they saw it wasn't working and potentially almost harmed our qb so they switched it up. They did exactly what everyone has been wanting for a couple years now, they changed it up and experimented. It's lose lose with some folks and that's OK. It's your opinion and my opinion is that they saw something in film and formations they thought they could exploit. They tried it. It didn't work and they adjusted and totally out coached fiu.

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The dumbest, most illogical part of having David start the game doing the run/pitch option with several plays in the 1st half is that it exposes him to a significant chance of taking a hit that takes him out of the game. All year long his marching orders have been to run sparingly and when you do take the slide or get out of bounds so you don't take a hit. They were protecting the senior starting QB in all of the previous games played this year up until yesterday.

The two 1st half fumbles were likely the result of the players having to do something that they weren't used to doing, i.e. the run/pitch option.

(11-27-2016 11:03 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 10:30 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  I understand the complaint. We had something working and we deviated. But it's as if there is argument just for the sake of argument. If we had done the same thing after seeing something in film everyone would be up in arms complaining we run the same vanilla stuff all the time. Then we do start to be creative and throw more looks at opponents and they are morons. If they were morons they would have stuck with the game plan. But they saw it wasn't working and potentially almost harmed our qb so they switched it up. They did exactly what everyone has been wanting for a couple years now, they changed it up and experimented. It's lose lose with some folks and that's OK. It's your opinion and my opinion is that they saw something in film and formations they thought they could exploit. They tried it. It didn't work and they adjusted and totally out coached fiu.

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.

The dumbest, most illogical part of having David start the game doing the run/pitch option with several plays in the 1st half is that it exposes him to a significant chance of taking a hit that takes him out of the game. All year long his marching orders have been to run sparingly and when you do take the slide or get out of bounds so you don't take a hit. They were protecting the senior starting QB in all of the previous games played this year up until yesterday.

The two 1st half fumbles were likely the result of the players having to do something that they weren't used to doing, i.e. the run/pitch option.

Indeed.
I remember being pleasantly surprised during the Marshall game when I first saw the pitch option. We did it once, maybe twice? I liked the wrinkle, but only as a wrinkle.
We have neither an option QB, nor an OLine built for it.

Going in the with that seemingly being the game plan is a real head-scratcher.
Fortunately we adjusted in the 2nd half and David was not hurt badly.

(11-27-2016 11:03 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 10:30 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  I understand the complaint. We had something working and we deviated. But it's as if there is argument just for the sake of argument. If we had done the same thing after seeing something in film everyone would be up in arms complaining we run the same vanilla stuff all the time. Then we do start to be creative and throw more looks at opponents and they are morons. If they were morons they would have stuck with the game plan. But they saw it wasn't working and potentially almost harmed our qb so they switched it up. They did exactly what everyone has been wanting for a couple years now, they changed it up and experimented. It's lose lose with some folks and that's OK. It's your opinion and my opinion is that they saw something in film and formations they thought they could exploit. They tried it. It didn't work and they adjusted and totally out coached fiu.

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.

The dumbest, most illogical part of having David start the game doing the run/pitch option with several plays in the 1st half is that it exposes him to a significant chance of taking a hit that takes him out of the game. All year long his marching orders have been to run sparingly and when you do take the slide or get out of bounds so you don't take a hit. They were protecting the senior starting QB in all of the previous games played this year up until yesterday.

The two 1st half fumbles were likely the result of the players having to do something that they weren't used to doing, i.e. the run/pitch option.

That is a play that do all te time and david is instructed to get as many yards as possible and then get down. He did that yesterday as you saw him dive down before getting hit. Im not sure why people seem to think we never run it. I typically go back and watch the games 2-3 times after being in person (if on tv) bc you tend to miss things.

Then they ran the read option (another staple) and he tried to do too much (as David mentioned) and got hit. That injury was not the result of the straight option. It was the most important game of the season, there isnt anythjng else tonsave him for.

(11-27-2016 11:17 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 11:03 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 10:30 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  I understand the complaint. We had something working and we deviated. But it's as if there is argument just for the sake of argument. If we had done the same thing after seeing something in film everyone would be up in arms complaining we run the same vanilla stuff all the time. Then we do start to be creative and throw more looks at opponents and they are morons. If they were morons they would have stuck with the game plan. But they saw it wasn't working and potentially almost harmed our qb so they switched it up. They did exactly what everyone has been wanting for a couple years now, they changed it up and experimented. It's lose lose with some folks and that's OK. It's your opinion and my opinion is that they saw something in film and formations they thought they could exploit. They tried it. It didn't work and they adjusted and totally out coached fiu.

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.

The dumbest, most illogical part of having David start the game doing the run/pitch option with several plays in the 1st half is that it exposes him to a significant chance of taking a hit that takes him out of the game. All year long his marching orders have been to run sparingly and when you do take the slide or get out of bounds so you don't take a hit. They were protecting the senior starting QB in all of the previous games played this year up until yesterday.

The two 1st half fumbles were likely the result of the players having to do something that they weren't used to doing, i.e. the run/pitch option.

Indeed.
I remember being pleasantly surprised during the Marshall game when I first saw the pitch option. We did it once, maybe twice? I liked the wrinkle, but only as a wrinkle.
We have neither an option QB, nor an OLine built for it.

Going in the with that seemingly being the game plan is a real head-scratcher.
Fortunately we adjusted in the 2nd half and David was not hurt badly.

We did it a few times Vs Marshall. Scored TD vs UMASS. Ran in probably every game at least a couple times; sometimes more.

"Offensive coordinator Brian Scott likes to save a new formation, an unexpected play or a new look for the second half of every game."

Quote in the pilot about new formation plays we used in 2H

(11-27-2016 11:26 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 11:03 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 10:30 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  I understand the complaint. We had something working and we deviated. But it's as if there is argument just for the sake of argument. If we had done the same thing after seeing something in film everyone would be up in arms complaining we run the same vanilla stuff all the time. Then we do start to be creative and throw more looks at opponents and they are morons. If they were morons they would have stuck with the game plan. But they saw it wasn't working and potentially almost harmed our qb so they switched it up. They did exactly what everyone has been wanting for a couple years now, they changed it up and experimented. It's lose lose with some folks and that's OK. It's your opinion and my opinion is that they saw something in film and formations they thought they could exploit. They tried it. It didn't work and they adjusted and totally out coached fiu.

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.

The dumbest, most illogical part of having David start the game doing the run/pitch option with several plays in the 1st half is that it exposes him to a significant chance of taking a hit that takes him out of the game. All year long his marching orders have been to run sparingly and when you do take the slide or get out of bounds so you don't take a hit. They were protecting the senior starting QB in all of the previous games played this year up until yesterday.

The two 1st half fumbles were likely the result of the players having to do something that they weren't used to doing, i.e. the run/pitch option.

That is a play that do all te time and david is instructed to get as many yards as possible and then get down. He did that yesterday as you saw him dive down before getting hit. Im not sure why people seem to think we never run it. I typically go back and watch the games 2-3 times after being in person (if on tv) bc you tend to miss things.

Then they ran the read option (another staple) and he tried to do too much (as David mentioned) and got hit. That injury was not the result of the straight option. It was the most important game of the season, there isnt anythjng else tonsave him for.

That is simply an inaccurate statement and repeating it over and over again does not make it more true. It is not a play that "we do all the time". I'm not saying it has never been run before, but you seem to be confusing something that you have seen on rare occasion with something that was made a significant part of the game plan. I'm just saying it has never been made such a key point of emphasis of the offense as it was in the 1st half yesterday. Also, on several of those 1st half runs by David yesterday the pile had to be peeled off of him before we could see if he had survived the multiple hits he took on the play. That doesn't happen when the QB slides prior to contact. I remember him getting up slowly after one of those runs and I was concerned that he had been hurt then.

To say there isn't anything else to save him for is also inaccurate. ODU definitely had one more game (bowl game) and potentially had two more games (C-USA Championship - home game, and bowl game) to play for prior to yesterday's game. I think it is safe to say that the coaches would definitely prefer to have David start any of those remaining games over his possible replacements.

(11-26-2016 10:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  My point is that the option worked well.....until DW screwed up on back to back pitches. It is a play that has worked well all year when teams stack the box (with no turnovers). FIU was putting 6 guys within 3 yards of the LOS and shooting the A gaps. We had numbers outside. They tried the option, which was working. Heck, Lawry had a chance at a big play if he didn't take eye off the ball. The play Washington was injured on was different read option play. These are plays we ran all year, but FIU dives inside to take away the RB handoff, which forced Washington to hold on to the ball. It was the same playcalling we've done all year.

We scrapped it after the 2nd fumble and overloaded one side with extra OL and TE to counter the numbers and went to a more ball controlled grind them out plan, which worked great. People are too quick to whine about playcalling.

For some reason the spacing on both of the pitches/fumbles didn't look good at all. Just wasn't a great angle for either pitch. When LaRussa came in and threw the three passes in a row to the flat, I thought they were an inch from a pick. Then DW threw essentially the same kind of pass for the pick 6. FiU was sitting on those short passes. Would have been nice to fake that, have DB bite, and then get something long. I was glad they did away with the option pitch and flat passes in 2nd half. Was really well played after half time.

By the way it is amazing how ofter the point spread is accurate. That "meaningless" TD FIU scored at the end was huge for anyone betting on the game. Go Monarchs!

(11-27-2016 12:00 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 11:26 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 11:03 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 10:30 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  I understand the complaint. We had something working and we deviated. But it's as if there is argument just for the sake of argument. If we had done the same thing after seeing something in film everyone would be up in arms complaining we run the same vanilla stuff all the time. Then we do start to be creative and throw more looks at opponents and they are morons. If they were morons they would have stuck with the game plan. But they saw it wasn't working and potentially almost harmed our qb so they switched it up. They did exactly what everyone has been wanting for a couple years now, they changed it up and experimented. It's lose lose with some folks and that's OK. It's your opinion and my opinion is that they saw something in film and formations they thought they could exploit. They tried it. It didn't work and they adjusted and totally out coached fiu.

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.

The dumbest, most illogical part of having David start the game doing the run/pitch option with several plays in the 1st half is that it exposes him to a significant chance of taking a hit that takes him out of the game. All year long his marching orders have been to run sparingly and when you do take the slide or get out of bounds so you don't take a hit. They were protecting the senior starting QB in all of the previous games played this year up until yesterday.

The two 1st half fumbles were likely the result of the players having to do something that they weren't used to doing, i.e. the run/pitch option.

That is a play that do all te time and david is instructed to get as many yards as possible and then get down. He did that yesterday as you saw him dive down before getting hit. Im not sure why people seem to think we never run it. I typically go back and watch the games 2-3 times after being in person (if on tv) bc you tend to miss things.

Then they ran the read option (another staple) and he tried to do too much (as David mentioned) and got hit. That injury was not the result of the straight option. It was the most important game of the season, there isnt anythjng else tonsave him for.

That is simply an inaccurate statement and repeating it over and over again does not make it more true. It is not a play that "we do all the time". I'm not saying it has never been run before, but you seem to be confusing something that you have seen on rare occasion with something that was made a significant part of the game plan. I'm just saying it has never been made such a key point of emphasis of the offense as it was in the 1st half yesterday. Also, on several of those 1st half runs by David yesterday the pile had to be peeled off of him before we could see if he had survived the multiple hits he took on the play. That doesn't happen when the QB slides prior to contact. I remember him getting up slowly after one of those runs and I was concerned that he had been hurt then.

To say there isn't anything else to save him for is also inaccurate. ODU definitely had one more game (bowl game) and potentially had two more games (C-USA Championship - home game, and bowl game) to play for prior to yesterday's game. I think it is safe to say that the coaches would definitely prefer to have David start any of those remaining games over his possible replacements.

We have run it at least 25 times this year. Imo, that is something that is used a lot.
I dont remember how many time DW was hit, but he dive down before contact at least a couple times (if not every time).


The biggest game of the year was FIU (due to possibility of
Title game) . The bowl game is just fun; icing on the cake.

(11-27-2016 01:15 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 12:00 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 11:26 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 11:03 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 10:30 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  I understand the complaint. We had something working and we deviated. But it's as if there is argument just for the sake of argument. If we had done the same thing after seeing something in film everyone would be up in arms complaining we run the same vanilla stuff all the time. Then we do start to be creative and throw more looks at opponents and they are morons. If they were morons they would have stuck with the game plan. But they saw it wasn't working and potentially almost harmed our qb so they switched it up. They did exactly what everyone has been wanting for a couple years now, they changed it up and experimented. It's lose lose with some folks and that's OK. It's your opinion and my opinion is that they saw something in film and formations they thought they could exploit. They tried it. It didn't work and they adjusted and totally out coached fiu.

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.

The dumbest, most illogical part of having David start the game doing the run/pitch option with several plays in the 1st half is that it exposes him to a significant chance of taking a hit that takes him out of the game. All year long his marching orders have been to run sparingly and when you do take the slide or get out of bounds so you don't take a hit. They were protecting the senior starting QB in all of the previous games played this year up until yesterday.

The two 1st half fumbles were likely the result of the players having to do something that they weren't used to doing, i.e. the run/pitch option.

That is a play that do all te time and david is instructed to get as many yards as possible and then get down. He did that yesterday as you saw him dive down before getting hit. Im not sure why people seem to think we never run it. I typically go back and watch the games 2-3 times after being in person (if on tv) bc you tend to miss things.

Then they ran the read option (another staple) and he tried to do too much (as David mentioned) and got hit. That injury was not the result of the straight option. It was the most important game of the season, there isnt anythjng else tonsave him for.

That is simply an inaccurate statement and repeating it over and over again does not make it more true. It is not a play that "we do all the time". I'm not saying it has never been run before, but you seem to be confusing something that you have seen on rare occasion with something that was made a significant part of the game plan. I'm just saying it has never been made such a key point of emphasis of the offense as it was in the 1st half yesterday. Also, on several of those 1st half runs by David yesterday the pile had to be peeled off of him before we could see if he had survived the multiple hits he took on the play. That doesn't happen when the QB slides prior to contact. I remember him getting up slowly after one of those runs and I was concerned that he had been hurt then.

To say there isn't anything else to save him for is also inaccurate. ODU definitely had one more game (bowl game) and potentially had two more games (C-USA Championship - home game, and bowl game) to play for prior to yesterday's game. I think it is safe to say that the coaches would definitely prefer to have David start any of those remaining games over his possible replacements.

We have run it at least 25 times this year. Imo, that is something that is used a lot.
I dont remember how many time DW was hit, but he dive down before contact at least a couple times (if not every time).


The biggest game of the year was FIU (due to possibility of
Title game) . The bowl game is just fun; icing on the cake.

Well, as you noted, it is easy to miss things when you are at the game.
However, I hadn't seen it until the Marshall game, nor had anyone alluded to it before then. Does that 25 include FIU?
Excluding the last game, I would be surprised if we ran it 5 times all year. Too many people on here would have noticed; but I am admittedly not sure.

In any event we ran about 69.5 plays per game in 2016. 25 represents less than 3% of total plays. I wouldn't call that a lot, even IF we ran it 25 times excluding FIU, which I have a real hard time believing.

The bowl game is not just "icing on the cake".
A good showing at a bowl game can be immensely productive for a program with respect to recruiting, donations, marketing, and even visibility for leveraging of future media contracts as well.