I'm interpreting nothing.





As for the wall, yes, he was promising a literal wall, a hell of a lot of his supporters wanted a literal wall, believed he meant a literal wall and would accept nothing less than a literal wall. If he doesn't deliver? They will continue on their ride and divert discussions to my butt.

(11-18-2016 06:02 PM)Paul M Wrote:  I'm interpreting nothing.





As for the wall, yes, he was promising a literal wall, a hell of a lot of his supporters wanted a literal wall, believed he meant a literal wall and would accept nothing less than a literal wall. If he doesn't deliver? They will continue on their ride and divert discussions to my butt.

Losing is driving you to the edge. Try and be a big boy and accept you lost.

(11-18-2016 05:58 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 05:47 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 05:34 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 11:53 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  How about the obvious point that he whines until he wins. In other words, he whines for a purpose.

The election is over and isn't going to be changed... Democrats aren't going to win.

There is no point in whining anymore.

He's not going to be trying to win any of them promises he made? Building walls and forking up trade agreements? Seems we have 4 years of whining to look forward to if we are to take him at his word.

You mean 'your interpretation' of his words.

but i'm wondering why you're talking about HIM whining, when it's been Dems whining since he was elected. He won, and likely WILL get what he wants... at least most of it.

Do you honestly think he (or those who voted for him) actually cares if a literal wall is built or not? No. They merely want a significantly greater focus on illegal immigration, and building a literal wall (for at least a part of it) is an example.

He is more hurt than any Dem on this board was when Trump won. If Trump does a good job as President he will still be whining if Trump gets elected.

I don't like Trump. Never have. Easy enough. Move on. Not a whine, just my strongly held opinion. I wanted Trump to win, and i guarantee more than you. I opposed his nomination because he was the most likely to put Hillary in the WH. I did not want that and it's obvious, more than you. You made an extremely dangerous gamble at a critical time. We dodged that bullet and Trump won. I'm not going to forget what you all damn near cost us.

Well the first post in the thread was moderately funny. *rollseyes*

(11-18-2016 06:05 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 06:02 PM)Paul M Wrote:  I'm interpreting nothing.





As for the wall, yes, he was promising a literal wall, a hell of a lot of his supporters wanted a literal wall, believed he meant a literal wall and would accept nothing less than a literal wall. If he doesn't deliver? They will continue on their ride and divert discussions to my butt.

Losing is driving you to the edge. Try and be a big boy and accept you lost.

Please try reading. It would save you from typing all your incorrect bs. Unless you're just going to insist on typing bs for no good reason.

(11-18-2016 06:21 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Well the first post in the thread was moderately funny. *rollseyes*

Second one was also.

But people got butthurt over it.

Post one: funny.
Post two: funny.
Post three: butthurt. And he can't let it go. And is still whining.

(11-18-2016 10:39 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 10:29 AM)Paul M Wrote:  His words, not mine. He admits to being a whiner and always has been. Take it up with him.

If a thread is gonna be started about whining, Trump says he's a fabulous whiner. Again, his words.

Until he wins.

He won.

NOW who's whining and to what purpose?

(11-18-2016 06:02 PM)Paul M Wrote:  I'm interpreting nothing.





As for the wall, yes, he was promising a literal wall, a hell of a lot of his supporters wanted a literal wall, believed he meant a literal wall and would accept nothing less than a literal wall. If he doesn't deliver? They will continue on their ride and divert discussions to my butt.

So now you're an expert on people you don't know?

I find it hilarious how many different left-leaning posters are suddenly concerned about whether or not Trump lives up to the 'promises' they never supported in the first place.... and how they intend to 'hold him accountable' to do things they don't want him to do.

MAYBE it's because the left thinks that words matter more than actions?

As I said, I'm sure much of it WILL be a literal wall... where it is appropriate. I don't think (and since I'm one of them and you clearly aren't) that a significant percentage of people who agreed with him care if it's really a wall. I don't care if they chanted 'build that wall' or not... any more than I feel personally threatened when Aggies scream 'beat the hell out of Rice'.

More important, YOU don't want him to build a wall...

So if the people who elected him aren't unhappy with 'whatever' he is now suggesting, why would YOU be upset about it? Why would you insist that they're lying if they don't hold his feet to the fire about the wall?

If they really want a literal wall across the whole thing, they will. You don't... and I don't. Don't be surprised when the lie you were told by the DNC about what the right believed or supported doesn't end up being the case.

Hint... I said similar things (as did many others) LONG before the election. It's primarily the left who has insisted on some literal interpretation... and you still are.

Ham, pretty soon we'll have the Libturds chanting, "build the wall" and then they'll blame us cons if it is built. It's a lose-lose with them. Just. Can't. Win.

(11-18-2016 06:34 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 10:39 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

#cabbagepatchwares???

#tuggingonthetales

(11-18-2016 07:40 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 10:29 AM)Paul M Wrote:  His words, not mine. He admits to being a whiner and always has been. Take it up with him.

If a thread is gonna be started about whining, Trump says he's a fabulous whiner. Again, his words.

Until he wins.

He won.

NOW who's whining and to what purpose?

He was not refering to the election. He was speaking about himself and all his dealings. Said nothing about whining for the Presidency, said he's a whiner.

(11-18-2016 07:40 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 06:02 PM)Paul M Wrote:  I'm interpreting nothing.





As for the wall, yes, he was promising a literal wall, a hell of a lot of his supporters wanted a literal wall, believed he meant a literal wall and would accept nothing less than a literal wall. If he doesn't deliver? They will continue on their ride and divert discussions to my butt.

So now you're an expert on people you don't know?

I suppose if hearing Trump and his supporters makes me an expert then, eh, sure. He unambiguously said he would build a wall. Now he's backing off and saying what you apparently THOUGHT he meant (expert?). NOW he's open to considering a wall, some fence, and any assortment of measures. That is no way no how what he campaigned on and you surprise me saying different.

(11-18-2016 07:40 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I find it hilarious how many different left-leaning posters are suddenly concerned about whether or not Trump lives up to the 'promises' they never supported in the first place.... and how they intend to 'hold him accountable' to do things they don't want him to do.

MAYBE it's because the left thinks that words matter more than actions?

As I said, I'm sure much of it WILL be a literal wall... where it is appropriate. I don't think (and since I'm one of them and you clearly aren't) that a significant percentage of people who agreed with him care if it's really a wall. I don't care if they chanted 'build that wall' or not... any more than I feel personally threatened when Aggies scream 'beat the hell out of Rice'.

More important, YOU don't want him to build a wall...

So if the people who elected him aren't unhappy with 'whatever' he is now suggesting, why would YOU be upset about it? Why would you insist that they're lying if they don't hold his feet to the fire about the wall?

If they really want a literal wall across the whole thing, they will. You don't... and I don't. Don't be surprised when the lie you were told by the DNC about what the right believed or supported doesn't end up being the case.

Hint... I said similar things (as did many others) LONG before the election. It's primarily the left who has insisted on some literal interpretation... and you still are.

I had to go back and make sure who wrote this cause I thought it had to be one of those boneheads who can't read or comprehend a word I say.

I'm one of the most Conservative people here. I WANT the wall built. I'm as goddamned concerned about Trump and holding him accountable as I was Obama. Or Hillary. I'm not a partisan who grants passes to any public servant. The right posted none stop, me included, about water carrying and party before country. Trump wins and it's still the same. Just the teams have changed.

I'm for the wall. I hope he can do some good with taxes. Get rid of Obamacare. You know, what he promised. Or did you think this renaming it to Trumpcare is what he really was saying all along too. I think he's an ass when he talks of punishing companies coming back or leaving. Make it attractive for them to stay. He's a ******* moron on trade. We don't need his daughter in control of pushing a new massive entitlement in the form of family leave and daycare.

And I don't get a mother ******* thing from the DNC. This **** is getting old.

Getting tired of saying it but I wanted Trump to win. Didn't want him to be the nominee because he was Hillary's best shot at winning. But since he was, I wanted him to win. Didn't think he would. Was pissed believing we handed the Dems the WH. Was glad we didn't.

I don't like the man. Haven't in 40 years. Him running on my parties ticket doesn't magically change that. My dislike of the man isn't going to change. So what. Still want him to succeed on what I agree with and fail spectacularly on what I don't. Same for any politician. Though there were more here felt the same. I know a year ago many did.

Anything else you misunderstand I can clear up for you?

(11-18-2016 08:29 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(11-18-2016 07:40 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Until he wins.

He won.

NOW who's whining and to what purpose?

He was not refering to the election. He was speaking about himself and all his dealings. Said nothing about whining for the Presidency, said he's a whiner.

Really Paul? You think this is a reasonable response? He said he whines until he wins. He won. You can keep beating around that fact, but its not a good argument. He wasn't talking about ANY specific event, but merely a practice. As far as the election is concerned (which is the topic of the thread) he whined until he won.

The left is whining THAT he won.... and if they follow his lead, will never stop because they can't 'win' that election.

(11-18-2016 06:02 PM)Paul M Wrote:  I suppose if hearing Trump and his supporters makes me an expert then, eh, sure. He unambiguously said he would build a wall. Now he's backing off and saying what you apparently THOUGHT he meant (expert?). NOW he's open to considering a wall, some fence, and any assortment of measures. That is no way no how what he campaigned on and you surprise me saying different.

Yeah... makes zero sense.

YOU interpreted him to mean a literal wall and nothing short of that. Obviously I didn't interpret it that way. You think he's backing off on a promise he made, I don't. SInce you didn't want the wall in the first place and I didn't care if it was actually a wall, You're the only one disappointed... based on 'what you heard'.

The people who voted for him aren't disappointed in this change. Neither are you.

Not a good argument to try and drum up opposition to something nobody is opposed to

Quote:I had to go back and make sure who wrote this cause I thought it had to be one of those boneheads who can't read or comprehend a word I say.

I'm one of the most Conservative people here. I WANT the wall built. I'm as goddamned concerned about Trump and holding him accountable as I was Obama. Or Hillary. I'm not a partisan who grants passes to any public servant. The right posted none stop, me included, about water carrying and party before country. Trump wins and it's still the same. Just the teams have changed.

I'm for the wall. I hope he can do some good with taxes. Get rid of Obamacare. You know, what he promised. Or did you think this renaming it to Trumpcare is what he really was saying all along too. I think he's an ass when he talks of punishing companies coming back or leaving. Make it attractive for them to stay. He's a ******* moron on trade. We don't need his daughter in control of pushing a new massive entitlement in the form of family leave and daycare.

And I don't get a mother ******* thing from the DNC. This **** is getting old.

Getting tired of saying it but I wanted Trump to win. Didn't want him to be the nominee because he was Hillary's best shot at winning. But since he was, I wanted him to win. Didn't think he would. Was pissed believing we handed the Dems the WH. Was glad we didn't.

I don't like the man. Haven't in 40 years. Him running on my parties ticket doesn't magically change that. My dislike of the man isn't going to change. So what. Still want him to succeed on what I agree with and fail spectacularly on what I don't. Same for any politician. Though there were more here felt the same. I know a year ago many did.

Anything else you misunderstand I can clear up for you?

Maybe you should have corrected my supposition about which side you were on 10 posts ago instead of resorting to personal insults.

I don't memorize your positions Paul. If you're upset because it's not LITERALLY a wall, then you're still in the overwhelming minority... and your position on a LITERAL wall (if this is a deal breaker for you) wouldn't have won the presidency. I'm sure that a literal wall will be built where it is practical and useful. Where it is not, it might be a fence or ditch or lasers or even just more guards... No matter WHAT it is, it will be substantially more than you would have gotten from the left. If that makes you mad, then I can't help you. That's not a broken promise IMO... because if you think a literal wall CAN or even SHOULD be built across the entire border, then you really don't understand the topography for some of the border.... SOME of the border is a river.

I live in the border. That river isn't much of a river. I used to swim in it and believe me it's about a foot or two deep in most places. It's got more sediment that even Fit's truck (joking here from a previous thread) could go across it. Someone mentioned that they can't build the wall because of the river. Not so, it's built on American soil and like someone said that it should be built 30 miles inland that wouldn't work. In some places in Arizona there's two fences, that would be the perfect way to build it. One fence won't do it. You need a road between both fences with human monitoring devices so USBP can do their job before the human smugglers, illegal immigrants, and criminals go over the second fence. If the people trying to go over send the ones that are not in our criminal lists and send the others back. Make a law where the second time you're caught that you'll be imprisoned for a period of time. No second chances. Criminals go straight to jail, do not pass go and do not get breaks like they do now.

Ham:


Um, yes its a reasonable response. It's what he said. You take him to mean something other than what he said, you're free to do so. He whined until he won BEFORE he ran for President and apparently intends to after to continue winning (getting) his way. Again, use whatever decoder ring you like and change that if you insist.

Makes absolutely perfect sense. It's what he said. Zero sense would be dismissing what he said. And "interpreting" him to say something else. He campaigned on a physical, real wall. That you didn't care if he didn't mean it (lie) or want one makes zero difference. It's what he said he was going to do. You're interpreting where no interpretation is needed. If you've been reading the board much, you would see most of his ardent supporters were expecting a real wall. He is NOW saying what you, and apparently only you, were hearing before he won. A combination of measures. Just this morning a panel on FOX was discussing what he promised (they agreed he promised a literal wall and Mexico would pay) and his changing position to being open to some wall, maybe some fence, possibly beefed up security and other measures vs his campaign promise and how it could piss off a lot of those voters who VOTED FOR A LITERAL WALL.

I'm not mad. Doesn't upset me. I have said all along he lies. Have always known him to be of low character. Lacking a core. Doesn't have any strongly held belief system. He comes first and this is all about him, not the peasants. I'm not surprised when he flips or reverses himself. It's been my position on the man.

I don't expect the wall to be built. He may surprise me and get it done.

Now, were did I insult you?

You don't have to memorize everyones positions. Would kind of think you'd have a better idea of where most long time members fall but that's here nor there. I forget who's who occasionally. You took liberty to assign positions to me. Positions not mine. And took away what I do hold. Then ranted based on your false understandings. I attempted to clear that up. Not a liberal. Would like a man to live up to his word. Would like a wall. Like you, would accept an assortment of measures. Seems that's all we can hope for now. If he doesn't continue "evolving". Is not what was promised. You don't have to believe he meant what he said and I don't have to believe he didn't mean what he said.