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Give me your thought on this video
What do you think will be the outcome for this county in West Virginia?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqceHviN...vaQ8NdotAA
11-14-2016 03:48 PM
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(11-14-2016 03:48 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  What do you think will be the outcome for this county in West Virginia?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqceHviN...vaQ8NdotAA

It will be a ghost county in 25 years. Still watching...
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They're not the "right kind" of people to get sympathy. I'm as guilty as anyone in this, but making fun of hillbillies, rednecks and "white trash" is alive and well in this country still. It's acceptable to bash these folk, but heaven forbid you say the wrong things about inner city youths...
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These people are not shooting and killing each other daily , weekly, annually.
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(11-14-2016 04:25 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  These people are not shooting and killing each other daily , weekly, annually.

That's not the point of the video. What do you think will be the outcome of the county?
11-14-2016 04:42 PM
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(11-14-2016 04:01 PM)miko33 Wrote:  They're not the "right kind" of people to get sympathy. I'm as guilty as anyone in this, but making fun of hillbillies, rednecks and "white trash" is alive and well in this country still. It's acceptable to bash these folk, but heaven forbid you say the wrong things about inner city youths...

This video was not made to bash these people or try to make you have sympathy. The question is what do you think will be the outcome of this county?
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Coal is dead...Nat gas killed it. WV will continue to lose jobs and people. They *could* try to recruit new businesses, but there are a few problems...

1) If they have cr*ppy public schools, the workforce won't be able to compete with other places with workforces educated by better public school systems

2) Culture - If a community or a culture is hostile or not welcoming of differences, its going to lose in the competition for new talent. A Baptist can easily go live in California. There's no place for an athiest or a LGBT person or a Muslim to live in the area around that county where they'd be considered part of the community.

3) Economy - Most families now are dual income. If there's not an open economy already existing, its hard to get talent to move there.

4) Infrastructure. Most poor places don't have the infrastructure that optimizes an investment. Where's the nearest airport? Charleston and they don't have a lot flights. Internet? Road access?
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(11-14-2016 04:49 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Coal is dead...Nat gas killed it. WV will continue to lose jobs and people. They *could* try to recruit new businesses, but there are a few problems...

1) If they have cr*ppy public schools, the workforce won't be able to compete with other places with workforces educated by better public school systems

2) Culture - If a community or a culture is hostile or not welcoming of differences, its going to lose in the competition for new talent. A Baptist can easily go live in California. There's no place for an athiest or a LGBT person or a Muslim to live in the area around that county where they'd be considered part of the community.

3) Economy - Most families now are dual income. If there's not an open economy already existing, its hard to get talent to move there.

4) Infrastructure. Most poor places don't have the infrastructure that optimizes an investment. Where's the nearest airport? Charleston and they don't have a lot flights. Internet? Road access?

WV is already damaged, so it's not like there is any mystery. However, it CAN be salvaged. TVA transformed a lot of places that were previously thought of as a backwater. WV has cheap resources available, and like China and India it COULD actively seek out corporations to invest in WV. It wouldn't take long for thriving communities to pop up AND for talent to move into the state.

I get your stance on the culture of WV, but let's get real. Economics trumps culture. In today's world, it will always win out.
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Government regulations are hurting coal, not natural gas. Natural gas more easily meets the new government regulations. The government has already made oil powered plants illegal.
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These are the truly abandoned of the United States.

I don't think it is racial in the least but using the left's rationale they are ignored because they are poor and white.
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(11-14-2016 05:01 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(11-14-2016 04:49 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Coal is dead...Nat gas killed it. WV will continue to lose jobs and people. They *could* try to recruit new businesses, but there are a few problems...

1) If they have cr*ppy public schools, the workforce won't be able to compete with other places with workforces educated by better public school systems

2) Culture - If a community or a culture is hostile or not welcoming of differences, its going to lose in the competition for new talent. A Baptist can easily go live in California. There's no place for an athiest or a LGBT person or a Muslim to live in the area around that county where they'd be considered part of the community.

3) Economy - Most families now are dual income. If there's not an open economy already existing, its hard to get talent to move there.

4) Infrastructure. Most poor places don't have the infrastructure that optimizes an investment. Where's the nearest airport? Charleston and they don't have a lot flights. Internet? Road access?

WV is already damaged, so it's not like there is any mystery. However, it CAN be salvaged. TVA transformed a lot of places that were previously thought of as a backwater. WV has cheap resources available, and like China and India it COULD actively seek out corporations to invest in WV. It wouldn't take long for thriving communities to pop up AND for talent to move into the state.

I get your stance on the culture of WV, but let's get real. Economics trumps culture. In today's world, it will always win out.

Not always. If you're putting a factory to pay 8 bucks an hour, sure, a job is a job....But if you're looking to place a company with good jobs, then talent is needed to be competed for. WV, Eastern KY, Central PA, or SE Ohio...they're gone, gone, gone.
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If these were Somalis or Syrians,... black or Hispanic ,.. different tune all day long.

The closest airport would be a toss up between Roanoke , Va or Charlestown , WV

We should use each and every natural resource that this country has been blessed with...PERIOD!
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A few major obstacles to attracting businesses....and I think these are good people.

1) Infrastructure - and obviously no local money to upgrade it.

2) It's in the backwaters of the country - hard to get folks with talent to move there and not easy
to "home grow" the talent.

3) Historically - it's UMW country with generations of Union folks. Companies don't want to spend the money to open up a factory and have it unionized the next week - although this is slowly becoming less of an issue than it once was.

I can't tell you what the answer is, but it is a shame as these folks aren't afraid of work. I will say that far too many have gotten used to getting a check in the mail every month.

It's a tough proposition waking up every day with a feeling of not much hope........the smart ones go off to school and leave the area - no other choice. I should know, I grew up in one of the areas Tom mentioned.
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(11-14-2016 05:58 PM)Crebman Wrote:  A few major obstacles to attracting businesses....and I think these are good people.

1) Infrastructure - and obviously no local money to upgrade it.

2) It's in the backwaters of the country - hard to get folks with talent to move there and not easy
to "home grow" the talent.

3) Historically - it's UMW country with generations of Union folks. Companies don't want to spend the money to open up a factory and have it unionized the next week - although this is slowly becoming less of an issue than it once was.

I can't tell you what the answer is, but it is a shame as these folks aren't afraid of work. I will say that far too many have gotten used to getting a check in the mail every month.

It's a tough proposition waking up every day with a feeling of not much hope........the smart ones go off to school and leave the area - no other choice. I should know, I grew up in one of the areas Tom mentioned.

I don't see the point of bothering. Don't fix the culture and money won't fix anything.

I grew up in a rapidly deteriorating economy as well. People just leave when they get education. Still a fair bit of industry but that's usually because the state paid the factories to open there. Don't know if they stay once the subsidies dry up.

By the way the unions aren't the problem. And they just committed suicide by voting for DJT anyway. If a factory is paying decent enough wages to actually qualify as a decent job, then union wages aren't that big of a deal.

I would have loved to move my small business (before I sold it) back to Alabama and provided some help to the economy. I couldn't do it..My employees would quit first. Their spouses wouldn't be able to get jobs, the schools either suck or ostracize outsiders, the culture is hostile to diversity, etc. Sometimes it was nice to dream, but at the end of the day, there's a reality. Even if you want to move professional jobs there (and this is to a city) its hard. It can be done, but only a huge cost to the company doing so. The CEO of Apple is a native of my hometown. He ain't putting any facilities there either. I'll bet not because he hates his hometown, but probably because his employees would quit (at least the good ones - the bad ones that couldn't get a better offer would stay).

And that's the other real kick going on... in West Virginia, there's going to be very few professional jobs in Charleston either. Basically, for smaller - inward looking cities, professional jobs have to be created by businesses founded there. And then hung onto for dear life because they won't be replaced if that company is bought out or leaves.

I don't see any real point in trying to prop up that part of the world. Because if the culture doesn't change, basically all you'll attract is a few manufacturing jobs at lower wages using a government subsidy. Sad, but its really the culture that's the issue. And that ain't changing. And DJT isn't going to even try.
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(11-14-2016 06:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(11-14-2016 05:58 PM)Crebman Wrote:  A few major obstacles to attracting businesses....and I think these are good people.

1) Infrastructure - and obviously no local money to upgrade it.

2) It's in the backwaters of the country - hard to get folks with talent to move there and not easy
to "home grow" the talent.

3) Historically - it's UMW country with generations of Union folks. Companies don't want to spend the money to open up a factory and have it unionized the next week - although this is slowly becoming less of an issue than it once was.

I can't tell you what the answer is, but it is a shame as these folks aren't afraid of work. I will say that far too many have gotten used to getting a check in the mail every month.

It's a tough proposition waking up every day with a feeling of not much hope........the smart ones go off to school and leave the area - no other choice. I should know, I grew up in one of the areas Tom mentioned.

I don't see the point of bothering. Don't fix the culture and money won't fix anything.

I grew up in a rapidly deteriorating economy as well. People just leave when they get education. Still a fair bit of industry but that's usually because the state paid the factories to open there. Don't know if they stay once the subsidies dry up.

By the way the unions aren't the problem. And they just committed suicide by voting for DJT anyway. If a factory is paying decent enough wages to actually qualify as a decent job, then union wages aren't that big of a deal.

I would have loved to move my small business (before I sold it) back to Alabama and provided some help to the economy. I couldn't do it..My employees would quit first. Their spouses wouldn't be able to get jobs, the schools either suck or ostracize outsiders, the culture is hostile to diversity, etc. Sometimes it was nice to dream, but at the end of the day, there's a reality. Even if you want to move professional jobs there (and this is to a city) its hard. It can be done, but only a huge cost to the company doing so. The CEO of Apple is a native of my hometown. He ain't putting any facilities there either. I'll bet not because he hates his hometown, but probably because his employees would quit (at least the good ones - the bad ones that couldn't get a better offer would stay).

And that's the other real kick going on... in West Virginia, there's going to be very few professional jobs in Charleston either. Basically, for smaller - inward looking cities, professional jobs have to be created by businesses founded there. And then hung onto for dear life because they won't be replaced if that company is bought out or leaves.

I don't see any real point in trying to prop up that part of the world. Because if the culture doesn't change, basically all you'll attract is a few manufacturing jobs at lower wages using a government subsidy. Sad, but its really the culture that's the issue. And that ain't changing. And DJT isn't going to even try.

I'm guessing you feel the same way about slum areas of large cities as well. I mean, what company wants to put bars over their windows or what professionals want to drive into a slum? I'm sure you agree those areas should "be abandoned" -as well? No?
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Easiest way to bring jobs back to that area is to heavily regulate fracking and loosen regulations on coal.

Honestly, fracking probably could use a bit more oversight to help limit the earthquakes.
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Poor white folks spoke for the first time in a while on November 8th
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