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"David Bailiff deserves another season at Rice"
In today's Chronicle:

David Bailiff deserves another season at Rice By Brian T. Smith

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/c...606178.php

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If you want comments, read the ones posted to the article. Pretty much sums it up.
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RE: "David Bailiff deserves another season at Rice"
UH's Herman: "You're not going to find a better man for that job."

If that's true we might as well shutter the program.
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RE: "David Bailiff deserves another season at Rice"
For Herman (or his successor), it is important for Rice to maintain status quo until September 16, 2017. Houston will be favored (big) in any event, but a coaching change makes an opponent less predictable.
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RE: "David Bailiff deserves another season at Rice"
This is one reason I wanted him fired immediately - I am concerned Rice will lose its resolve and keep him, particularly if he can win one or two more games. I see little upside to letting him stay.
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RE: "David Bailiff deserves another season at Rice"
I don't see any reason to believe that either Tom Herman or the Houston Chronicle influences Joe Karlgaard's personnel decisions, one way or the other.
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(11-11-2016 11:00 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  I don't see any reason to believe that either Tom Herman or the Houston Chronicle influences Joe Karlgaard's personnel decisions, one way or the other.

I just don't understand why Tilman Fertitta had this published.
11-12-2016 07:02 AM
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(11-12-2016 07:02 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 11:00 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  I don't see any reason to believe that either Tom Herman or the Houston Chronicle influences Joe Karlgaard's personnel decisions, one way or the other.

I just don't understand why Tilman Fertitta had this published.

Nicely done...probably got it published in exchange for more advertising for his empire.
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Herman said "better man". He didn't say "better coach". He also didn't say "as good a man".
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RE: "David Bailiff deserves another season at Rice"
(11-11-2016 11:00 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  I don't see any reason to believe that either Tom Herman or the Houston Chronicle influences Joe Karlgaard's personnel decisions, one way or the other.

If one were into second shooters on grassy knolls theories, maybe you could argue that someone at Rice talked to the reporter off-the-record to help influence the negative public opinion. Maybe some internal to Rice agree with DB's assessment that the team is very close and injuries, youth, and locker room viruses are the culprits.

Not my personal view but it would be a PR tactic if you believe explanations to the poor season are not coaching and even if you did believe it, you don't have the money/big booster support to fix it with a buyout.
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RE: "David Bailiff deserves another season at Rice"
(11-12-2016 12:41 PM)owl40 Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 11:00 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  I don't see any reason to believe that either Tom Herman or the Houston Chronicle influences Joe Karlgaard's personnel decisions, one way or the other.

If one were into second shooters on grassy knolls theories, maybe you could argue that someone at Rice talked to the reporter off-the-record to help influence the negative public opinion. Maybe some internal to Rice agree with DB's assessment that the team is very close and injuries, youth, and locker room viruses are the culprits.

Not my personal view but it would be a PR tactic if you believe explanations to the poor season are not coaching and even if you did believe it, you don't have the money/big booster support to fix it with a buyout.

And we will keep losing football fans...he has to go or JK needs to go. A new AD will fire Bailiff.
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I wonder if Brian T. Smith is watching the train wreck in Charlotte?

Brian T. Smith - What? Rice has a football game today?
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"David Bailiff deserves another season at Rice"
Brian Smith is clueless. Must not have had additional material so he decides to write a pile of BS. He should be forced to watch a few Rice games.
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(11-12-2016 03:29 PM)SaintsOwl Wrote:  Brian Smith is clueless. Must not have had additional material so he decides to write a pile of BS. He should be forced to watch a few Rice games.

I thought we were supposed to go like, follow, retweet and comment on everything so we can get more coverage from him.
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RE: "David Bailiff deserves another season at Rice"
He gots lots of comments from us, probably more than any article ever, but I hope Chron doesn't think that's what they should do to get us to subscribe
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Very good comments overall though on the article.
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(11-12-2016 12:41 PM)owl40 Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 11:00 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  I don't see any reason to believe that either Tom Herman or the Houston Chronicle influences Joe Karlgaard's personnel decisions, one way or the other.
If one were into second shooters on grassy knolls theories, maybe you could argue that someone at Rice talked to the reporter off-the-record to help influence the negative public opinion. Maybe some internal to Rice agree with DB's assessment that the team is very close and injuries, youth, and locker room viruses are the culprits.
Not my personal view but it would be a PR tactic if you believe explanations to the poor season are not coaching and even if you did believe it, you don't have the money/big booster support to fix it with a buyout.

One doesn't have to believe in conspiracy theories, just that the AD and public relations office are doing their jobs, because you've literally described something that is a basic job task. Reporters don't know who is injured or sick unless it comes from the coach or athletic department, and I think a lot of their features come as a result of either a press release or discussion with someone in the athletic department.

At a minimum, you have to look at this article as laying the ground to keep options open with regard to a decision on coach Bailiff. I am still cautiously optimistic that we will have a new coach in 6 weeks or so.

(11-12-2016 02:21 PM)WIowl Wrote:  And we will keep losing football fans...he has to go or JK needs to go. A new AD will fire Bailiff.

The depressing part is that at Rice and at most schools, the decision to keep or fire the football coach is a driving factor in hiring an AD, and probably requires the buy-in of the president.
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(11-12-2016 02:21 PM)WIowl Wrote:  
(11-12-2016 12:41 PM)owl40 Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 11:00 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  I don't see any reason to believe that either Tom Herman or the Houston Chronicle influences Joe Karlgaard's personnel decisions, one way or the other.

If one were into second shooters on grassy knolls theories, maybe you could argue that someone at Rice talked to the reporter off-the-record to help influence the negative public opinion. Maybe some internal to Rice agree with DB's assessment that the team is very close and injuries, youth, and locker room viruses are the culprits.

Not my personal view but it would be a PR tactic if you believe explanations to the poor season are not coaching and even if you did believe it, you don't have the money/big booster support to fix it with a buyout.

And we will keep losing football fans...he has to go or JK needs to go. A new AD will fire Bailiff.

This may be the only fans we get if something isn't done.


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(11-13-2016 01:17 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  
(11-12-2016 02:21 PM)WIowl Wrote:  
(11-12-2016 12:41 PM)owl40 Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 11:00 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  I don't see any reason to believe that either Tom Herman or the Houston Chronicle influences Joe Karlgaard's personnel decisions, one way or the other.

If one were into second shooters on grassy knolls theories, maybe you could argue that someone at Rice talked to the reporter off-the-record to help influence the negative public opinion. Maybe some internal to Rice agree with DB's assessment that the team is very close and injuries, youth, and locker room viruses are the culprits.

Not my personal view but it would be a PR tactic if you believe explanations to the poor season are not coaching and even if you did believe it, you don't have the money/big booster support to fix it with a buyout.

And we will keep losing football fans...he has to go or JK needs to go. A new AD will fire Bailiff.

This may be the only fans we get if something isn't done.


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RE: "David Bailiff deserves another season at Rice"
OK.... I'm a former coach so obviously I will bias myself in favor of the coach.... I've sat and watched the game threads where "we" either sit in the bleachers or in our living rooms and comment on play calls or strategies or personnel decisions like we know one damn thing.....Here are the realities for all these experts:
1) Not one of you has seen a practice
2) Not one of you was a part of recruiting a single one of these kids..... And.... if you truly want to be critical of a program, criticize recruiting..... Either the coaches aren't accumulating talent or the restrictions for admissions are a barrier.
3) Not one of you has evaluated game film
4) Not one of you has scouted an opponent
5) DB has had to recruit at a university with arguably the absolute WORST facilities in America... He has only been able to sell a first rate education. Look at Tyler Stehling... this is a great great kid who is competing his butt off. But is he thinking NFL? No.... He's thinking architecture major or whatever hes majoring in...Now that the Patterson Center is complete and DB has something to sell that is remotely football related, let's see who comes to Rice to play.
6) Has DB had a great year as a coach? Based on the metric that all of us experts go by, no. Wins and losses are the ultimate factor. There are excuses... Youth, injuries, etc.... Those are just excuses true... But as a former coach myself, my W-L record and my quality as a coach was usually extremely proportionate to the luck, talent, and health of my team. When I had those three things, I was Bellicheck.
7) DB has brought the university the one thing it could not accomplish in my lifetime and/or pretty much my dad's lifetime.... a conference title... The willingness to pay a coach big $ at Rice tells me that the options and the appeal is limited.

Should DB feel pressure? Absolutely... Coaches always do. He has promised a facility, and now he has it. He should be in a position where he should feel like this year must be an anomaly and next year must turn it around significantly. But fired? Would any of you experts want your employment to be based on your worst 8 months? or your best?

This ain't Bama football... take a break... Give the man, who is a very good man, the chance to make the Owl folks proud of their program. If he doesn't get it going next year (his first full recruiting season and off-season in a new facility), then he should account....

My father is a Rice alum, and he will tell you who seem "shocked and awed" by a tough season that you've obviously not watched Rice football for the last half century.

That's just my thoughts... It's pretty easy to coach from Row 36 at Rice Stadium.... And even easier to come on Parliament and talk about how "dumb" or "terrible" someone is.....
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