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RE: Trump Administration
Putting the shoe on the other foot, could ask:

If it was shown that Biden knowingly let his son sell his influence and/or access to him, would this be enough for you to not vote for him?

OR:

If it were shown that the government spying on the Trump campaign and the falsification of evidence was done with the knowledge and approval of VP Biden, would this make you not vote for him?

Question for Big, 93, FBO, Lad, AtEase, and any other who would care to comment.

Note the phraseology: Not voting for Biden does not equal voting for Trump.
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(Yesterday 10:05 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Please quote the actual times those words were used. If they weren't, and I'm confident they weren't... then you're arguing with the voices in your head that you're assigning to others.

That's on you, pumpkin.

I feel like you are plagiarizing from me things I wrote to you recently. 05-nono

(Yesterday 07:31 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  If it was shown that Biden knowingly let his son sell his influence and/or access to him, would this be enough for you to not vote for him?

No. The Trump family profits off the presidency right now in the same way so those things would cancel out leaving me with my preference for Biden over Trump. That said, I'd prefer replacing Biden if possible or pressuring him to step down (or possibly impeachment, depending on a lot of circumstances).

(Yesterday 07:31 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  If it were shown that the government spying on the Trump campaign and the falsification of evidence was done with the knowledge and approval of VP Biden, would this make you not vote for him?

I don't think this scenario is specific enough for me to decide and the language you use is extremely subjective.
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(Today 02:49 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(Yesterday 07:31 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  If it was shown that Biden knowingly let his son sell his influence and/or access to him, would this be enough for you to not vote for him?
No. The Trump family profits off the presidency right now in the same way so those things would cancel out leaving me with my preference for Biden over Trump. That said, I'd prefer replacing Biden if possible or pressuring him to step down (or possibly impeachment, depending on a lot of circumstances).

But, haven't you acted as if the alleged (but unproved) Trump "irregularities" are an absolute bar? So are you saying that unproved irregularities are an absolute bar but proved irregularities (the OO hypo) aren't?

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(Yesterday 07:31 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  If it were shown that the government spying on the Trump campaign and the falsification of evidence was done with the knowledge and approval of VP Biden, would this make you not vote for him?
I don't think this scenario is specific enough for me to decide and the language you use is extremely subjective.

In other words, you know what the answer has to be, but you don't want that answer, so feign criticism of the form of the question in order to evade answering?

Is this specific enough for you? If it were proved that the FBI 1) spied illegally on the Trump campaign, and 2) falsified evidence as part of that effort, and that VP Biden knew and approved of both 1) and 2), would that be sufficient to cause you not to vote for him?

I realize that you have no great enthusiasm for Biden. Am I correct on presuming that is because he is not far enough left for you? Don't worry. He is plenty far left, and he will pick a VP running mate who is far enough left to suit Che Guevara, and he will be 25th Amendmented within 12 months to make her president.

I think Biden is the perfect candidate for those of your ilk. He is the Trojan horse. Nobody with the Alinsky/Antifa/sociaklit/communist views of the democrat far left can get elected on her own views, but you can pair her with Biden and sell him as a "moderate" to get her elected, and the axe Biden and you've accomplished your goal. I wish republicans were that clever. I'm counting on them to protect me from the likes of whoever will be on the democrat ticket, and so far they are doing a piss-poor job.
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(Today 06:03 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(Today 02:49 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(Yesterday 07:31 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  If it was shown that Biden knowingly let his son sell his influence and/or access to him, would this be enough for you to not vote for him?
No. The Trump family profits off the presidency right now in the same way so those things would cancel out leaving me with my preference for Biden over Trump. That said, I'd prefer replacing Biden if possible or pressuring him to step down (or possibly impeachment, depending on a lot of circumstances).

But, haven't you acted as if the alleged (but unproved) Trump "irregularities" are an absolute bar? So are you saying that unproved irregularities are an absolute bar but proved irregularities (the OO hypo) aren't?

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(Yesterday 07:31 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  If it were shown that the government spying on the Trump campaign and the falsification of evidence was done with the knowledge and approval of VP Biden, would this make you not vote for him?
I don't think this scenario is specific enough for me to decide and the language you use is extremely subjective.

In other words, you know what the answer has to be, but you don't want that answer, so feign criticism of the form of the question in order to evade answering?

Is this specific enough for you? If it were proved that the FBI 1) spied illegally on the Trump campaign, and 2) falsified evidence as part of that effort, and that VP Biden knew and approved of both 1) and 2), would that be sufficient to cause you not to vote for him?

I realize that you have no great enthusiasm for Biden. Am I correct on presuming that is because he is not far enough left for you? Don't worry. He is plenty far left, and he will pick a VP running mate who is far enough left to suit Che Guevara, and he will be 25th Amendmented within 12 months to make her president.

I think Biden is the perfect candidate for those of your ilk. He is the Trojan horse. Nobody with the Alinsky/Antifa/sociaklit/communist views of the democrat far left can get elected on her own views, but you can pair her with Biden and sell him as a "moderate" to get her elected, and the axe Biden and you've accomplished your goal. I wish republicans were that clever. I'm counting on them to protect me from the likes of whoever will be on the democrat ticket, and so far they are doing a piss-poor job.

I think your ilk has constantly compared relatively moderate liberals to communists/socialists for so long, that your ilk has effectively destroyed the actual meaning of those words, and the real understanding of the inherently flawed nature of actual communism.

When your ilk continue to call people who would be labeled as moderate in Western European states as Antifa, socialist, or communist, you and your ilk are doing no favors to your cause. Your ilk just subvert your own goals because of these rather hyperbolic statements and conspiracy-esque fever dreams.
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(Today 06:53 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I think your ilk has constantly compared relatively moderate liberals to communists/socialists for so long, that your ilk has effectively destroyed the actual meaning of those words, and the real understanding of the inherently flawed nature of actual communism.
When your ilk continue to call people who would be labeled as moderate in Western European states as Antifa, socialist, or communist, you and your ilk are doing no favors to your cause. Your ilk just subvert your own goals because of these rather hyperbolic statements and conspiracy-esque fever dreams.

If you "moderate" leftists (and I don't use "liberals" because I'm a classical liberal, and your expressed views bear little resemblance to classical liberalism) would stand up to the Antifa/socialist/communist wing, then perhaps you would have some credibility with your assertions.

No matter how much a conservative disavows idiots like the KKK and white supremacists, it's never enough to avoid allegations. But no matter how much the left cozies up to the Antifa/socialist/communist wing, you persist in maintaining that you sold not be stuck with that late.

If you don't want to be painted with the same brush, then distinguish yourself from them. If you want to excuse and defend them, be prepared to deal with the inevitable logical consequences.
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