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RE: Therapy Dogs
I have to probably put down my dog this weekend. Sad, but it's time and she lived a good life. The reason I bring this up is because the last few months have really refocused my family's love and attachment to her so I guess I have a little more sympathy for the attachment pet owners have to animals.

Shere, I would recommend that you have your company invest in a high quality air cleaner for your immediate desk area. I recommend this one, which we used when we thought our oldest boy was going to have the same problem you have with dander- thankfully he didn't.

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11-11-2016 10:31 AM
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RE: Therapy Dogs
(11-11-2016 10:31 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I have to probably put down my dog this weekend. Sad, but it's time and she lived a good life. The reason I bring this up is because the last few months have really refocused my family's love and attachment to her so I guess I have a little more sympathy for the attachment pet owners have to animals.

Sorry to hear that. I have a really hard time parting with mine. Tough.
11-11-2016 10:35 AM
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RE: Therapy Dogs
(11-11-2016 09:16 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 09:00 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 02:03 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  There is a girl on campus who has a comfort dog to deal with her anxiety.

The world is a tough place.

It is, but at the same time there needs to be a serious shift in the way we treat and as a society handle mental health issues. Just saying "the world is tough get over it" is not always the best answer. There absolutely are some cases where some people do need to just toughen up, but it also needs to become more generally acceptable to open up about mental issues you may be facing before it becomes too late and you do something to yourself or others that can't be taken back.

Sure..and she can be comforted by her dog when she gets home. This trend needs to stop pronto IMO.

If it's just someone being a baby and being coddled too much sure, but the problem is just painting with a broad brush about mental health. Not everyone needs to be told to just toughen up and rub some dirt on it. Some do, but some absolutely do not and real anxiety and depression are not just jokes that you mock people for.
11-11-2016 10:38 AM
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RE: Therapy Dogs
(11-11-2016 10:31 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I have to probably put down my dog this weekend. Sad, but it's time and she lived a good life. The reason I bring this up is because the last few months have really refocused my family's love and attachment to her so I guess I have a little more sympathy for the attachment pet owners have to animals.

Shere, I would recommend that you have your company invest in a high quality air cleaner for your immediate desk area. I recommend this one, which we used when we thought our oldest boy was going to have the same problem you have with dander- thankfully he didn't.

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Sorry about your dog. I had to put my Dalmatian down several years ago. I refuse to go through that again. That was my last dog...period.

Good idea about the air cleaner and he has a condition that is very hard to manage. ..but..Why should Shere be the one to have to make an accommodation in the workplace? IMO the dogs need to go first. I see it like smoking bans...a health hazard. Not to mention that employees are losing valuable work time dealing with their pets...feeding..watering and taking them out to do their business. I think an employer is within their rights to ban animals from the workplace.
11-11-2016 10:41 AM
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(11-11-2016 10:38 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 09:16 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 09:00 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 02:03 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  There is a girl on campus who has a comfort dog to deal with her anxiety.

The world is a tough place.

It is, but at the same time there needs to be a serious shift in the way we treat and as a society handle mental health issues. Just saying "the world is tough get over it" is not always the best answer. There absolutely are some cases where some people do need to just toughen up, but it also needs to become more generally acceptable to open up about mental issues you may be facing before it becomes too late and you do something to yourself or others that can't be taken back.

Sure..and she can be comforted by her dog when she gets home. This trend needs to stop pronto IMO.

If it's just someone being a baby and being coddled too much sure, but the problem is just painting with a broad brush about mental health. Not everyone needs to be told to just toughen up and rub some dirt on it. Some do, but some absolutely do not and real anxiety and depression are not just jokes that you mock people for.

I get that and I have empathy for them. I just don't feel the public should have to make accommodations for their animals. The whole thing seem very much like a fad to me instead of actual mental health treatment.
11-11-2016 10:46 AM
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RE: Therapy Dogs
Service animals are a need. Comfort animals are a want. The system addresses needs and that is ok; if the dog is trained properly and measures are taken to prevent any conflicts (in the aforementioned case, severe allergic reactions) then fine. (In the case of conflicting needs - see service vs. severe allergy - I'm in the corner of the person deathly allergic.) I do not approve of the system addressing wants in the case of "comfort animals". In the extreme case, why risk one employee's health and well-being so that another employee can have something to pet during the workday? I find the societal shift towards equalizing needs and wants to be very troubling. Snowflakes, snowflakes everywhere - and as we have seen here in this thread, it can have a very negative impact on the lives of others. IMO unless the animal is a certified service animal being used to address a quantified and documented need (not want), it does not belong in the workplace
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(11-11-2016 10:56 AM)CameramanJ Wrote:  Service animals are a need. Comfort animals are a want. The system addresses needs and that is ok; if the dog is trained properly and measures are taken to prevent any conflicts (in the aforementioned case, severe allergic reactions) then fine. (In the case of conflicting needs - see service vs. severe allergy - I'm in the corner of the person deathly allergic.) I do not approve of the system addressing wants in the case of "comfort animals". In the extreme case, why risk one employee's health and well-being so that another employee can have something to pet during the workday? I find the societal shift towards equalizing needs and wants to be very troubling. Snowflakes, snowflakes everywhere - and as we have seen here in this thread, it can have a very negative impact on the lives of others. IMO unless the animal is a certified service animal being used to address a quantified and documented need (not want), it does not belong in the workplace

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11-11-2016 12:22 PM
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(11-11-2016 08:58 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Im not gonna get a lawyer or make an issue out of it. I'll medicate and leave if I have to. Maybe by reading this some people might at least be sympathetic and not necessarily think a person is a big ahole when they avoid one's precious pet. In my case it's like radiation.

Just thought y'all would find it interesting.


Oh I know you didn't mean that and neither did I. I just suggested it as reading so that you'd know YOUR rights (your medical condition IS a disability) AND you'd then perhaps be more comfortable asserting YOUR rights/asking for reasonable accommodations. You don't need to (and shouldn't) suffer in silence... especially when others asserting their rights (or abusing them) impacts you in a significant way.

CameramanJ says it well.

A comfort animal has no place in most public places. NOT protected by the law. NO 'requirements' for behavior or often a focus on any training. A service dog (which includes PTSD, Autism and medical alert dogs) do(es). Many people may describe their 'medical alert' dog as a therapy or comfort animal, but that is perhaps because they are hesitant to reveal their medical condition to strangers or to make a scene/draw attention by having them wear a vest 24/7.

FO, I understand your frustration and with regard to 'comfort' animals you are 100% correct... but I caution you from jumping to conclusions. Someone may not want to advertise that they occasionally have seizures... and that the presence of an animal trained to notify me of an episode allows me to pull over my car if I'm driving or put down the fireworks or baby or iron or knives or step away from the subway platform or get off of the pool float can save my life and sometimes the lives of others. Dogs like that are 'working' 24/7, but they really only provide 'service' for perhaps a few minutes every few days, weeks or months. But I hope you can see how someone with that sort of a disability with that sort of a dog might need them with them 24/7, even perhaps in the grocery store (depending on the lead time you get). Dogs like that have special senses that we really don't understand... you can't teach it... you can simply teach them to ACT some way when they sense it. These animals can be of any shape or size, but they tend to be at least socially trained. They are pets most of the time, but they are not just 'wants' for many people.

You can usually tell the difference between this sort of dog and a 'comfort' dog by the behavior of the dog. A 'need' dog may not be perfectly trained socially, but it will often have an almost weird attachment to it's owner. It will be most comfortable where it can see or perhaps touch its owner. They often stare/look back at their owner if they are not right by them, or if they are right by them, they prefer to be in physical contact with them (so they can rest, but still do their job)

Just an example.
11-11-2016 01:49 PM
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