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Yeah, I agree. There really isn't any room for a significant free agent signing unless they can dump a bunch of salary. But any salary they'd want to dump is tied up in players no one would agree to take on. It's really hard to say because 90% of what we hear is rumor/innuendo but it might just be Dodgers having exploratory talks, or even them trying to look proactive to fanbase with no intention of spending the money required.

And now I hear Dodgers are competing with Nats for Sale! I can see one trade for a moderately priced player (e.g. McCutchen, Sale, Dozier) that will probably take a bunch of prospects and then pretty much standing pat to stay under the threshold.

Speaking of Sale/McCutchen, hearing Nats are leading for both/either but can only afford (prospects for) one. Either is a huge help but it seems like Sale would bring the most value (as well as protect against Strasburg injury issues).
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(12-06-2016 12:31 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Yeah, I agree. There really isn't any room for a significant free agent signing unless they can dump a bunch of salary. But any salary they'd want to dump is tied up in players no one would agree to take on. It's really hard to say because 90% of what we hear is rumor/innuendo but it might just be Dodgers having exploratory talks, or even them trying to look proactive to fanbase with no intention of spending the money required.

And now I hear Dodgers are competing with Nats for Sale! I can see one trade for a moderately priced player (e.g. McCutchen, Sale, Dozier) that will probably take a bunch of prospects and then pretty much standing pat to stay under the threshold.

Speaking of Sale/McCutchen, hearing Nats are leading for both/either but can only afford (prospects for) one. Either is a huge help but it seems like Sale would bring the most value (as well as protect against Strasburg injury issues).


edit: now sounds like Red Sox have inside track:

Red Sox, White Sox Building Momentum Toward Chris Sale Trade
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/re...e-sox.html

Could the Nationals be the 2017 version of the Cubs?
http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-nati...f-the-cubs

Sounds like they are willing to give up their best pitching prospect in Giolito.
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(12-06-2016 01:08 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Sounds like they are gonna give up their best pitching prospect in Giolito.

That won't make stever sad.
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(12-06-2016 01:08 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(12-06-2016 12:31 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Yeah, I agree. There really isn't any room for a significant free agent signing unless they can dump a bunch of salary. But any salary they'd want to dump is tied up in players no one would agree to take on. It's really hard to say because 90% of what we hear is rumor/innuendo but it might just be Dodgers having exploratory talks, or even them trying to look proactive to fanbase with no intention of spending the money required.

And now I hear Dodgers are competing with Nats for Sale! I can see one trade for a moderately priced player (e.g. McCutchen, Sale, Dozier) that will probably take a bunch of prospects and then pretty much standing pat to stay under the threshold.

Speaking of Sale/McCutchen, hearing Nats are leading for both/either but can only afford (prospects for) one. Either is a huge help but it seems like Sale would bring the most value (as well as protect against Strasburg injury issues).


edit: now sounds like Red Sox have inside track:

Red Sox, White Sox Building Momentum Toward Chris Sale Trade
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/re...e-sox.html

Could the Nationals be the 2017 version of the Cubs?
http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-nati...f-the-cubs

Sounds like they are willing to give up their best pitching prospect in Giolito.

Hearing Sale to BoSox is a done deal. Giving up Moncada. Huge deal.
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(12-06-2016 02:05 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(12-06-2016 01:08 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(12-06-2016 12:31 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Yeah, I agree. There really isn't any room for a significant free agent signing unless they can dump a bunch of salary. But any salary they'd want to dump is tied up in players no one would agree to take on. It's really hard to say because 90% of what we hear is rumor/innuendo but it might just be Dodgers having exploratory talks, or even them trying to look proactive to fanbase with no intention of spending the money required.

And now I hear Dodgers are competing with Nats for Sale! I can see one trade for a moderately priced player (e.g. McCutchen, Sale, Dozier) that will probably take a bunch of prospects and then pretty much standing pat to stay under the threshold.

Speaking of Sale/McCutchen, hearing Nats are leading for both/either but can only afford (prospects for) one. Either is a huge help but it seems like Sale would bring the most value (as well as protect against Strasburg injury issues).


edit: now sounds like Red Sox have inside track:

Red Sox, White Sox Building Momentum Toward Chris Sale Trade
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/re...e-sox.html

Could the Nationals be the 2017 version of the Cubs?
http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-nati...f-the-cubs

Sounds like they are willing to give up their best pitching prospect in Giolito.

Hearing Sale to BoSox is a done deal. Giving up Moncada. Huge deal.

Amazing the Nats went from looking good last night to outside the deal. Wonder what happened. Where are you Stever to provide the details?
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i would have liked for the reds to make a move for soler. we could move some pitching
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Where the heck is swoosh? Giants got Melancon and not a word??? Not sure what, if anything, the Giants will do next. Not even seeing rumors about them from Winter Meetings. OK, they're trying to get rid of Chris Heston. Whatever.
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Well, my Pirates are walking the plank.
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Looks like Nats also chasing Jansen. No surprise there.
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How much did Red Sox World Series odds improve following Chris Sale trade?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-much-di...33973.html

Here’s a look at Bovada’s current top ten to win the 2017 World Series based on the offseason moves made so far, with their Nov. 3 odds in parenthesis.

Cubs: 15/4 (7/2)
Red Sox: 11/2 (9/1)
Nationals: 9/1 (12/1)
Indians: 12/1 (14/1)
Astros: 12/1 (16/1)
Dodgers: 14/1 (9/1)
Yankees: 14/1 (25/1)
Giants: 14/1 (14/1)
Mets: 18/1 (14/1)
Blue Jays: 20/1 (14/1)
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Braves acquire hard-throwing righty Luke Jackson in trade with Rangers
Atlanta shipped young arms Tyrell Jenkins and Brady Feigl to Texas in the deal.

http://www.foxsports.com/south/story/bra...Yardbarker

Quote:The Atlanta Braves were quiet at baseball’s Winter Meetings in Oxon Hills, Md., but the front office stayed busy. On Thursday evening, it reached an agreement with the Texas Rangers to acquire hard-throwing right-hander Luke Jackson in exchange for young pitchers Tyrell Jenkins and Brady Feigl.

Jackson, 25, was the 45th overall selection in the 2010 draft — five spots ahead of Jenkins in the first round — who made 15 appearances with the Rangers' parent club.

The right-hander flashes a fastball sitting in the high-90s and touches triple digits to go with three complementary pitches in need of refinement, but his biggest concern is command. In 18 innings pitched, Jackson walked five batters per nine with an unsustainable home-run rate (2.50). His ERA over that span was 8.50.

He profiles as a higher-ceiling relief piece with better pure "stuff" than Jenkins, whose role in a crowded rotation race was uncertain entering the season. MLB Pipeline listed Jackson as the Rangers' No. 15 prospect....

As the prospect piece in the Jason Hayward-Shelby Miller blockbuster in 2014, Jenkins worked his way up through the minor-league ranks with solid numbers before hitting a wall in his rookie season. The 24-year-old struggled with his own command and strikeout issues, posting a 5.88 ERA with worse peripherals.

Jenkins follows Chris Ellis, John Gant, Max Povse and Rob Whalen as mid-level prospects with limited ceilings the Braves have traded in the past 11 days....

Braves have a knack for turning around some pitchers. That Shelby Miller/Jason Heyward trade keeps on paying dividends for the Braves. Wonder how long the Cubs will go before they jettison Heyward. That's one long, expensive contract.
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MLB: 5 Changes in the CBA That You Need to Know
http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/mlb-5-c...yptr=yahoo

In the final hour, a deal was made, keeping the offseason rolling along and ensuring no work stoppages for the next five years. There are five major changes to the game, however, and you should know about them.

1. The season is longer
2. World Series home field advantage now goes to best team instead of All-Star league winner
3. The disabled list is down to 10 days
4. Draft-pick compensation a bit different for signing free agents
5. Changes to international free agency

Here are the details on Draft-pick compensation, according to David Schoenfield of ESPN:

"Details are still being worked out, but what we’ve learned: (A) Only teams losing a player who signs a $50 million contract will receive compensation; (B) teams that have exceeded the luxury tax threshold and sign another team’s player who received the qualifying offer will surrender second- and fifth-round picks, plus $1 million in international pool money; but © if a club hasn’t exceeded the tax threshold and signs another team’s player who received the qualifying offer, it will surrender a third-round pick."



Overall, I can live with these changes, and hope they continue to make the game better. Can't wait for 2017 season to begin. Go Braves!
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Sounds like Dodgers and Turner are pretty close. 4 yrs, $64MM. Some of it might be deferred, which would could give the Dodgers some opportunity for more signings while staying under the top tax threshold. But not if they sign Jansen, which by all accounts they continue to work on.

ETA: Wow, sounds like they're also close to a 5 yr deal with Jansen (haven't heard $ yet but heard Dodgers initial offer was 4 yrs/$55MM and that was rejected pretty quickly). ETA2: More wow! Saw a tweet from Ken Rosenthal that 2017 will be a "transition year" for the new CBA and luxury taxes will not be fully in place. I didn't see any details but presumably that means Dodgers won't pay full 90+% on payroll over $235MM. That's huge. And next year, with a bunch of payroll coming off the books (Crawford, Ethier, Guerrero), there will still be room for bringing guys in and staying under the threshold. ETA3: It's done. Rosenthal reports 5yrs/$80MM for Jansen. ETA4, because nobody posts in this @#$%^&* thread: Local news guy announcing Turner deal done at 4 yrs, $64MM.

Still nothing but rumors re 2B.

BOLO for flyingswoosh. What the hell?
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(12-12-2016 01:20 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Sounds like Dodgers and Turner are pretty close. 4 yrs, $64MM. Some of it might be deferred, which would could give the Dodgers some opportunity for more signings while staying under the top tax threshold. But not if they sign Jansen, which by all accounts they continue to work on.

ETA: Wow, sounds like they're also close to a 5 yr deal with Jansen (haven't heard $ yet but heard Dodgers initial offer was 4 yrs/$55MM and that was rejected pretty quickly). ETA2: More wow! Saw a tweet from Ken Rosenthal that 2017 will be a "transition year" for the new CBA and luxury taxes will not be fully in place. I didn't see any details but presumably that means Dodgers won't pay full 90+% on payroll over $235MM. That's huge. And next year, with a bunch of payroll coming off the books (Crawford, Ethier, Guerrero), there will still be room for bringing guys in and staying under the threshold. ETA3: It's done. Rosenthal reports 5yrs/$80MM for Jansen. ETA4, because nobody posts in this @#$%^&* thread: Local news guy announcing Turner deal done at 4 yrs, $64MM.

Still nothing but rumors re 2B.

BOLO for flyingswoosh. What the hell?

Kinda baffling to me, too. They were the mainstays here in these baseball threads for the last few years, to say the least. Hope they return.

As to the Dodgers, they keep doing the deals, but need to progress in the postseason next year. I know they are able and willing to eat mistakes as well as pay for good players, but even the Yankees of Steinbrenner went to and won World Series.

Next year, the Nats look really strong, the Cubs will be excellent, and the Mets will be a step below, but no pushover. Wonder who the step-up team or teams will be this upcoming season. Too early for the Braves to realistically reach for anything but the WC in 2017, and that would still be a major step up. I think Giants/Dodgers this coming season will be just as good.
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Geez. Gonna miss reading all the commentary from Swoosh and Stever here in these threads. Anyone know what's up with that?
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i'm still here. watching lots of hoops.
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(12-20-2016 12:00 AM)stever20 Wrote:  i'm still here. watching lots of hoops.

03-cool Glad you're okay. Any comments on the Nats since you last posted? Can they overtake the Cubs and finally get to the Series this year?

Also--heard from swoosh?
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wouldn't it be neat if when he hangs up his cleats, the resourceful r.a. dickey goes back to college and becomes a resident adviser for his dorm?
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Holy crap - they finally pulled a deal off. Logan Forsythe will be Dodgers' new 2B.

Phew - I was worried about some of the 2B names floating around out there as alternates to Dozier, as well as some of the players the Dodgers might have to throw in to get a deal done. DeLeon for Forsythe straight up seems like a decent deal - trading potential for proven value is ok by me. Dodgers just got better.

ETA: I know I'm just talking to myself in here, but anywho... Dodgers 2017 payroll, including dead money and minor leaguers, is about $215MM now. The new luxury tax surcharges aren't fully implemented this year but, even if they were, the Dodgers look like they would have easily avoided the 45% surcharge for payroll over $235MM. Next year, with more payroll coming off the books, I'd guess they'll be below $200MM. Cheap!
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saw the Nats signed Joe Nathan to a minor league deal with an invite to spring training. I love the move- as even if he's not the closer(which I seriously doubt)- he would be able to help whoever the closer is adjust to that role.
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