LOL, I knew someone would bring up McNabb or McPherson. They were very good QB's, but they both were surrounded by all sorts of NFL level talent on both offense and defense. They had a lot of their team mates from the O-line and backfield go to the NFL, not to mention guys like Marvin Harrison and other wide receivers and tight ends. If Dungey had anywhere near that type of talent surrounding him, we wouldnt be talking about his career possibly being over, and he likely would have had more success than McNabb or Mcpherson.

(11-12-2016 05:26 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-12-2016 03:54 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-12-2016 03:27 PM)WNCOrange Wrote:  ...the ACC refs doing this game. They are worse than our (remaining) talent at QB.

Let's not get carried away - nobody is that bad.

Yes, there is a huge drop off after Dungey.

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Good News...a 4 Star and high 3 Star QBs will be available as Dungey's back up next year.

Zach Mahoney is a walk-on...he really should be playing QB for a D-2 or FCS team.

Going to need them because Dungey won't make it through the season yet again.

(11-22-2016 09:18 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  LOL, I knew someone would bring up McNabb or McPherson. They were very good QB's, but they both were surrounded by all sorts of NFL level talent on both offense and defense. They had a lot of their team mates from the O-line and backfield go to the NFL, not to mention guys like Marvin Harrison and other wide receivers and tight ends. If Dungey had anywhere near that type of talent surrounding him, we wouldnt be talking about his career possibly being over, and he likely would have had more success than McNabb or Mcpherson.

I don't know about that? I like Dungey but he is not as talented as those other guys, IMO.

After the game put up by Mahoney against Pitt it is really hard to argue that it is not the system.

(11-28-2016 10:45 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  After the game put up by Mahoney against Pitt it is really hard to argue that it is not the system.

Actually, its the opposite. I think it was more Pitts terrible defense than the system. Pitt fans will tell you that every QB they face looks like a Heisman candidate. No different for Mahoney. If it was the system, then he would have put up much better stats against the likes of NC State and FSU and Clemson. Its almost a certainty that Dungey would have put up much better numbers against those three teams than Mahoney. I shudder to think of the numbers Dungey would have put up against that secondary. Not certain of this, but I believe Mahoney had as many yards in the Pitt game as he had in those three games combined. Not exactly a hands down indictment that its the system, more so than Dungey being an exceptional college QB

(11-28-2016 11:03 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-28-2016 10:45 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  After the game put up by Mahoney against Pitt it is really hard to argue that it is not the system.

Actually, its the opposite. I think it was more Pitts terrible defense than the system. Pitt fans will tell you that every QB they face looks like a Heisman candidate. No different for Mahoney. If it was the system, then he would have put up much better stats against the likes of NC State and FSU and Clemson. Its almost a certainty that Dungey would have put up much better numbers against those three teams than Mahoney. I shudder to think of the numbers Dungey would have put up against that secondary. Not certain of this, but I believe Mahoney had as many yards in the Pitt game as he had in those three games combined. Not exactly a hands down indictment that its the system, more so than Dungey being an exceptional college QB

I think it's actually a little of both (the offensive system and Pitt's defense).

The thing that strikes me about Syracuse's offense is how quickly most of the passes leave the quarterback's hands. When VT played them, the D-line was getting decent pressure but only recorded one sack on the day. Even with injuries to Ekanem and Williams this year, the d-line probably has been the best unit on VT's defense this year.

Similarly, Pitt's front 7 is very capable but only recorded three sacks against Syracuse.

(11-28-2016 11:03 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-28-2016 10:45 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  After the game put up by Mahoney against Pitt it is really hard to argue that it is not the system.

Actually, its the opposite. I think it was more Pitts terrible defense than the system. Pitt fans will tell you that every QB they face looks like a Heisman candidate. No different for Mahoney. If it was the system, then he would have put up much better stats against the likes of NC State and FSU and Clemson. Its almost a certainty that Dungey would have put up much better numbers against those three teams than Mahoney. I shudder to think of the numbers Dungey would have put up against that secondary. Not certain of this, but I believe Mahoney had as many yards in the Pitt game as he had in those three games combined. Not exactly a hands down indictment that its the system, more so than Dungey being an exceptional college QB

It's not the QB or the system... it's those orange uniforms!

System or not.....how much stock do you put in a player who is seemingly made of glass? He could be Joe Montana, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady rolled into one (and for the record he's not even close) but he does no good for you on the sidelines in street clothes.

(11-12-2016 05:24 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  I don't think its an either or argument between the above Syracuse fans.

You have to give some solid level of credit to Dungey. On the other hand, I wouldn't expect the backups to come in and do better, as is mentioned above. They're backups for a reason and frankly I think they aren't P5 talents from what I've seen.

I wouldn't say he's simply a system QB but you have to account that he throws a lot more per game than other ACC QB's if you're comparing passing yards as a comparison metric.

Yeah, it's not either or. He's a good to very good college quarterback...the system isn't making him that. He was good last year. He should be recognized as a really nice quarterback.

The system however is what is giving him stats that by some metrics make him one of the best quarterbacks in the country or even the conference. But almost everyone recognizes that including people that watch all the ACC games for a living...good quarterback. Deserved more press than he was getting. Not one of the very best.

(11-28-2016 03:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  System or not.....how much stock do you put in a player who is seemingly made of glass? He could be Joe Montana, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady rolled into one (and for the record he's not even close) but he does no good for you on the sidelines in street clothes.

Im thinking he is done. Why else would they be waiting for a second opinion at the end of the season? The kid has a lot of heart but he tries to do so much more than what his body is capable of. He should learn to slide more when running rather than initiating contact. This was his 4th concussion is 2 years. He got every one of them while running with the ball.

(11-28-2016 04:46 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-28-2016 03:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  System or not.....how much stock do you put in a player who is seemingly made of glass? He could be Joe Montana, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady rolled into one (and for the record he's not even close) but he does no good for you on the sidelines in street clothes.

Im thinking he is done. Why else would they be waiting for a second opinion at the end of the season? The kid has a lot of heart but he tries to do so much more than what his body is capable of. He should learn to slide more when running rather than initiating contact. This was his 4th concussion is 2 years. He got every one of them while running with the ball.

I dunno...I don't think this last injury was a concussion. The mechanism of injury and how quickly he was back out on the sidelines in the sunlight and noise lead me to believe it was something else. I got two concussions in my career due to collapsing ceilings, one Grade 1 and one Grade 2 and trust me when I tell you the last thing you want to be around with a concussion is light and noise.

I'm thinking this latest injury was something either cervical related or possibly nerve damage.

(11-28-2016 05:03 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-28-2016 04:46 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-28-2016 03:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  System or not.....how much stock do you put in a player who is seemingly made of glass? He could be Joe Montana, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady rolled into one (and for the record he's not even close) but he does no good for you on the sidelines in street clothes.

Im thinking he is done. Why else would they be waiting for a second opinion at the end of the season? The kid has a lot of heart but he tries to do so much more than what his body is capable of. He should learn to slide more when running rather than initiating contact. This was his 4th concussion is 2 years. He got every one of them while running with the ball.

I dunno...I don't think this last injury was a concussion. The mechanism of injury and how quickly he was back out on the sidelines in the sunlight and noise lead me to believe it was something else. I got two concussions in my career due to collapsing ceilings, one Grade 1 and one Grade 2 and trust me when I tell you the last thing you want to be around with a concussion is light and noise.

I'm thinking this latest injury was something either cervical related or possibly nerve damage.

I hope you are correct about it not being a concussion. Whatever it is, I hope its not serious and that he can return. I love to watch that kid play. Would love to see him finish his career with 2 injury free seasons left.

Syracuse should try to sign QB Malik Zaire as a grad transfer.

(11-29-2016 11:50 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Syracuse should try to sign QB Malik Zaire as a grad transfer.

Grad transfers go to where they can start or have significant playing time. He likely wont start over Dungey. If Dungey is done, he would be a great target.