Ditch the Sun Belt in Montgomery? Sure. Mobile? I don't know why we'd leave a bowl that's well-supported by the locals and has a history with our conference. Scrap Boise instead, and if we want to still play the MWC then make them travel to a new bowl in Indianapolis or St. Louis instead. Without Detroit as a local bowl, we need a midwestern 'home' game in our postseason lineup.

(10-26-2016 08:58 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Ditch the Sun Belt in Montgomery? Sure. Mobile? I don't know why we'd leave a bowl that's well-supported by the locals and has a history with our conference. Scrap Boise instead, and if we want to still play the MWC then make them travel to a new bowl in Indianapolis or St. Louis instead. Without Detroit as a local bowl, we need a midwestern 'home' game in our postseason lineup.

New Bowls = more crappy football teams.

4 MAC Bowls should be the mark... That should adjust to every conference. I think 7-5 should be the mark to make a bowl game. So 60??? Teams? Get rid of 10 bowl games??? I'd be okay with that. 5-7 teams do not need to be filling games by APR.

(10-26-2016 08:38 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Jerry Palm is showing the following bowl games for the MAC.

Dec 23: Dollar General
Dec 23: Bahamas
Dec 22: Potato
Dec 19: Miami Beach
Dec 17: Camellia

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...redictions

The MAC is guaranteed 5 bowl games every year through 2019.

One of our posters in the media says the MAC is not in the Bahamas this year. It is a 3-year rotation of 3 conferences.

I don't agree with restricting bowl games to 7-5 teams and up. Outside of the New Years Day and CFP games these are glorified end of the year exhibition games. They buy a coach a few extra weeks of being able to develop players. If you don't like watching a 6-6 team playing a 6-6 team then don't watch that game. It's probably being played at 2PM in the middle of the work week anyways. It's not hurting anyone. Leave it be.

(10-27-2016 12:53 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  4 MAC Bowls should be the mark... That should adjust to every conference. I think 7-5 should be the mark to make a bowl game. So 60??? Teams? Get rid of 10 bowl games??? I'd be okay with that. 5-7 teams do not need to be filling games by APR.

That would be about right, to get teams that deserve bowls. But as Clint Eastwood said, deserve's got nothing to do with it.

(10-27-2016 08:05 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I don't agree with restricting bowl games to 7-5 teams and up. Outside of the New Years Day and CFP games these are glorified end of the year exhibition games. They buy a coach a few extra weeks of being able to develop players. If you don't like watching a 6-6 team playing a 6-6 team then don't watch that game. It's probably being played at 2PM in the middle of the work week anyways. It's not hurting anyone. Leave it be.

From the developing stand point I get it... But as far as teams ranked 70th through 80th competing in an exhibition game they are supposed to be proud of??? I dont agree with. Bottom half of any sport should not be winning trophies IMO. G5's lose a lot of money on these games if the fans dont care enough to travel and support their team. If my team was 6-6 and beat a Sun Belt team who was also 6-6, it wouldn't mean a whole lot... (I would not travel to Alabama to witness it.) Assuming my program had done something like that before.... If my team had an NMSU or EMU drought it would obviously be more important.

It's more impressive to beat out a bunch of teams who are "eligible" and be chosen because of a good resume. Wouldn't you rather be in a selective game that more people are inclined to watch because the talent level is higher??

(10-27-2016 09:09 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-27-2016 08:05 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I don't agree with restricting bowl games to 7-5 teams and up. Outside of the New Years Day and CFP games these are glorified end of the year exhibition games. They buy a coach a few extra weeks of being able to develop players. If you don't like watching a 6-6 team playing a 6-6 team then don't watch that game. It's probably being played at 2PM in the middle of the work week anyways. It's not hurting anyone. Leave it be.

From the developing stand point I get it... But as far as teams ranked 70th through 80th competing in an exhibition game they are supposed to be proud of??? I dont agree with. Bottom half of any sport should not be winning trophies IMO. G5's lose a lot of money on these games if the fans dont care enough to travel and support their team. If my team was 6-6 and beat a Sun Belt team who was also 6-6, it wouldn't mean a whole lot... (I would not travel to Alabama to witness it.) Assuming my program had done something like that before.... If my team had an NMSU or EMU drought it would obviously be more important.

It's more impressive to beat out a bunch of teams who are "eligible" and be chosen because of a good resume. Wouldn't you rather be in a selective game that more people are inclined to watch because the talent level is higher??

Of course you would rather be in the more selective game, but that doesn't mean that the lesser bowls are completely useless. The lesser bowls can still mean a whole lot ot the teams in them. Terry Bowden has coached an undefeated season at a top-tier SEC school, but I have never seen a football coach happier than when Bowden lifted up a bowl full of potatoes.

(10-27-2016 09:09 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-27-2016 08:05 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I don't agree with restricting bowl games to 7-5 teams and up. Outside of the New Years Day and CFP games these are glorified end of the year exhibition games. They buy a coach a few extra weeks of being able to develop players. If you don't like watching a 6-6 team playing a 6-6 team then don't watch that game. It's probably being played at 2PM in the middle of the work week anyways. It's not hurting anyone. Leave it be.

From the developing stand point I get it... But as far as teams ranked 70th through 80th competing in an exhibition game they are supposed to be proud of??? I dont agree with. Bottom half of any sport should not be winning trophies IMO. G5's lose a lot of money on these games if the fans dont care enough to travel and support their team. If my team was 6-6 and beat a Sun Belt team who was also 6-6, it wouldn't mean a whole lot... (I would not travel to Alabama to witness it.) Assuming my program had done something like that before.... If my team had an NMSU or EMU drought it would obviously be more important.

It's more impressive to beat out a bunch of teams who are "eligible" and be chosen because of a good resume. Wouldn't you rather be in a selective game that more people are inclined to watch because the talent level is higher??

Unless you are a program like Akron was last year or EMU is this year where you rarely, if never, get to a bowl going someplace like the Potato Bowl isn't viewed as a prize. It was speculated on Utah State boards part of the reason Akron won was because that was Utah State's 3rd Potato Bowl in 5 years and their 6-6 regular season was a disappointment to them.

Bowl games don't really bleed MAC schools of money these days like they once did. The MAC office provides teams money to cover the bulk of the travel costs. Flying the band out might be the biggest cost associated that the school picks up. Also, not all bowl games are equal. Your average college football fan (certainly the players and coaches) knows the Outback Bowl is better than the Miami Beach Bowl and that is reflected by the fact 1 gets a great TV slot and other just fills a TV slot on a Monday while most people are working.

(10-27-2016 05:45 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 08:38 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Jerry Palm is showing the following bowl games for the MAC.

Dec 23: Dollar General
Dec 23: Bahamas
Dec 22: Potato
Dec 19: Miami Beach
Dec 17: Camellia

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...redictions

The MAC is guaranteed 5 bowl games every year through 2019.

One of our posters in the media says the MAC is not in the Bahamas this year. It is a 3-year rotation of 3 conferences.

Jerry Palm checks these things. Media and ran a bowl predictor site for years.

Doesnt matter anyways, the MAC has 5 slots guaranteed every year.

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Its time to bump up the bowls IMO.

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(10-25-2016 05:18 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 03:29 AM)pono Wrote:  I know some of you really want to go the Bahamas and overpay for an average resort with a giant aquarium (right next to the real ocean), but the MAC is not slated to play there this year. The G5 conferences rotate several bowls to keep fresh teams in the match-ups. They can still swap teams or pick up a team from an off year league if another league is short of eligible teams. thus, the MAC is still considered. However, main Mac bowls this year are the Mobile something (former Go Daddy), Miami Beach, Potato Bowl, and Camella Bowl in Montgomery (the lowest payout bowl).. and hopefully the Cotton Bowl. there's a few bowls that have an agreement with a P5 league for one of it's last bowl teams who may not get to 6 wins. The Detroit Quick Lane Bowl and the Independence and St Pete bowls might fall into this category. And provide a MAC team with a P5 or good AAC matchup. Should a 1 or 2 loss Toledo or WMU team not get a NY6 bowl there's a possibility the bowls might trade around to match them up with a similar G5 opponent who had a great year but wasn't chosen for the NY6. this happened a couple years ago when #24 NIU and Utah St were paired in the Poinsettia Bowl.

One bowl to keep an eye on: San Diego Poinsetia Bowl. I now believe Army might not make it.

They are 4 - 3, but have one win against Lafayette and play Morgan State, TWO FCS schools. They play some tough schools ahead.

Also, they are NOT likely to have SIX wins on Dec 4 when bowl bids are determined. I believe the protocol is that Army has to be qualified by then (the bowls don't wait for the Army/Navy game the following week).

Army will qualify with 6 wins (and 2 FCS wins) if there are less than 80 bowl eligible teams. They'd go first. They'll get to 6 wins, and its likely that around 78 teams qualify. Meaning Army will take that bowl berth.

This thread is now suddenly relevant to Miami fans as well. There's still two weeks of football left to play, but any guesses how things will play out? And now that Idaho is bowl eligible, is there a chance that MAC and Sun Belt officials swap the Potato Bowl and one of theirs in order to maximize turnout?

(11-13-2016 10:01 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  This thread is now suddenly relevant to Miami fans as well. There's still two weeks of football left to play, but any guesses how things will play out? And now that Idaho is bowl eligible, is there a chance that MAC and Sun Belt officials swap the Potato Bowl and one of theirs in order to maximize turnout?

The MAC isn't going to swap with the SBC the Potato Bowl. Its under contract to supply a team to the Potato. The SBC pulled out of the G5 bowl rotation because by its estimation it landed enough tie-ins.

Miami wins 6 I definitely see them in a bowl.

(11-13-2016 08:33 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 10:01 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  This thread is now suddenly relevant to Miami fans as well. There's still two weeks of football left to play, but any guesses how things will play out? And now that Idaho is bowl eligible, is there a chance that MAC and Sun Belt officials swap the Potato Bowl and one of theirs in order to maximize turnout?

The MAC isn't going to swap with the SBC the Potato Bowl. Its under contract to supply a team to the Potato. The SBC pulled out of the G5 bowl rotation because by its estimation it landed enough tie-ins.

Miami wins 6 I definitely see them in a bowl.

no reason why the Sun Belt shouldn't deal for the MAC spot in the Potato Bowl. Idaho would love to play a "home" bowl game down the road in Boise vs a MWC team that doesn't want to schedule them. Boise would want that matchup too as it would interest local fans and pit 2 regional teams and possibly sell out. Idaho's place in the Sun Belt means a trip to Bama for the Camella Bowl against the 4th best MAC team or Florida for the lowly Cure Bowl (the least money and TV exposure of any bowl) that prob won't have an AAC team to fill the other slot. Expect the MAC or CUSA to send a 6-6 team to the Cure Bowl and Idaho to go Potatoes.

(11-13-2016 09:14 PM)pono Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 08:33 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(11-13-2016 10:01 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  This thread is now suddenly relevant to Miami fans as well. There's still two weeks of football left to play, but any guesses how things will play out? And now that Idaho is bowl eligible, is there a chance that MAC and Sun Belt officials swap the Potato Bowl and one of theirs in order to maximize turnout?

The MAC isn't going to swap with the SBC the Potato Bowl. Its under contract to supply a team to the Potato. The SBC pulled out of the G5 bowl rotation because by its estimation it landed enough tie-ins.

Miami wins 6 I definitely see them in a bowl.

no reason why the Sun Belt shouldn't deal for the MAC spot in the Potato Bowl. Idaho would love to play a "home" bowl game down the road in Boise vs a MWC team that doesn't want to schedule them. Boise would want that matchup too as it would interest local fans and pit 2 regional teams and possibly sell out. Idaho's place in the Sun Belt means a trip to Bama for the Camella Bowl against the 4th best MAC team or Florida for the lowly Cure Bowl (the least money and TV exposure of any bowl) that prob won't have an AAC team to fill the other slot. Expect the MAC or CUSA to send a 6-6 team to the Cure Bowl and Idaho to go Potatoes.

According to this the Cure Bowl pays out better than any MAC tie-ins:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/college-bo...e-payouts/
Besides, the SBC needs to fill the Arizona Bowl--wouldnt Idaho go there?

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