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RE: Official Memphis Vs. Navy Game Thread
(10-23-2016 07:38 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(10-23-2016 05:57 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I wonder how many yards Fournette would have gained on us yesterday?

The issues are still the issues. Linemen. Hope to see improvement there.

But we have to learn how to defend the triple option. We're still reading & then reacting, so we're always late. Everywhere the triple option is defended well, its shoot the gaps, hit the QB every play & contain the corners with man to man on the receivers. And the frustrating thing is that we have the speed at LB to make it work very well.

And I am all for hitting the quarterback every play in the triple option. Dude had it too easy yesterday.
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(10-23-2016 09:56 AM)fsquid Wrote:  It sucked to drop that one, but if we can win out, maybe Navy will drop two.

We have what it takes to win out.
This is a great team, and were only getting better.
BIG recruiting class coming in next year so we can get over that Navy hump.
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(10-22-2016 11:48 PM)HobosHeroesStCornerClowns Wrote:  Today wasn't a total loss for Tiger fans. At least Houston, Arkansas, and Ole Miss lost too.

And Ole Miss and Arkansas dropped out of the Coaches Poll, while Navy moved up 3.
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(10-23-2016 12:12 PM)grapes Wrote:  
(10-23-2016 09:56 AM)fsquid Wrote:  It sucked to drop that one, but if we can win out, maybe Navy will drop two.

We have what it takes to win out.
This is a great team, and were only getting better.
BIG recruiting class coming in next year so we can get over that Navy hump.

Games ahead might prove us wrong but I agree with you, I think this team is very talented.
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RE: Official Memphis Vs. Navy Game Thread
(10-23-2016 01:27 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(10-23-2016 12:12 PM)grapes Wrote:  
(10-23-2016 09:56 AM)fsquid Wrote:  It sucked to drop that one, but if we can win out, maybe Navy will drop two.

We have what it takes to win out.
This is a great team, and were only getting better.
BIG recruiting class coming in next year so we can get over that Navy hump.

Games ahead might prove us wrong but I agree with you, I think this team is very talented.

agree. What the heck. In my mind, I had us losing two games this year...I mean in total. So. Been there done that. Let's win out. 04-cheers
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(10-23-2016 05:57 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I wonder how many yards Fournette would have gained on us yesterday?

The issues are still the issues. Linemen. Hope to see improvement there.

4,297 yds against the D yesterday.
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(10-23-2016 01:27 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(10-23-2016 12:12 PM)grapes Wrote:  
(10-23-2016 09:56 AM)fsquid Wrote:  It sucked to drop that one, but if we can win out, maybe Navy will drop two.

We have what it takes to win out.
This is a great team, and were only getting better.
BIG recruiting class coming in next year so we can get over that Navy hump.

Games ahead might prove us wrong but I agree with you, I think this team is very talented.
This team is talented but we also have some weaknesses in very key positions that show up at bad times. Norvell is already light years ahead of Fuente in year 1 (obviously thanks in large part to what Fuente did in clutire change and player development and so on). But with that in mind, think about where Fuente was in year three and where Norvell could be in year three if he keeps things rolling and keeps developing players.

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(10-23-2016 03:45 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(10-23-2016 05:57 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I wonder how many yards Fournette would have gained on us yesterday?

The issues are still the issues. Linemen. Hope to see improvement there.

4,297 yds against the D yesterday.

Now that is a BAD defense.
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Most of the Navy rushing yds are scheme related. Most D coordinators just think some minor adjustments can handle the triple option & they are proved wrong over & over. But the down side of a major scheme adjustment is the potential to undue what you've been building all season. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Point being, aside from the Navy game, announcers said yesterday Memphis ranked 39th against the run.....but not any more.
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(10-23-2016 04:44 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(10-23-2016 03:45 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(10-23-2016 05:57 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I wonder how many yards Fournette would have gained on us yesterday?

The issues are still the issues. Linemen. Hope to see improvement there.

4,297 yds against the D yesterday.

Now that is a BAD defense.

He had 35.5 yards per carry yesterday against the rebel black bears. Beat anything I ever saw. And he only got 8 carries.
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Seems like we're be ok for the remainder of the schedule... but it was pretty obvious our Defense was not ready or prepared for what they encounter on Saturday night at Navy.

Navy is a better offensive and defensive team than our Tigers, hands down.... We need a few more years of recruiting to catch up with Navy and not sure about Houston yet....
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(10-22-2016 09:56 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(10-22-2016 06:42 PM)2tigers Wrote:  
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(10-22-2016 06:09 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  We lost at home to Navy last year, when we didn't have a rookie coach and we had a first round QB pick. We came close on the road. Just need some more athletes.

Surely you jest. We had a better athlete at probably 18-19 of 22 starters.

Yeah. Athletes are NOT the problem. Our defensive scheme and instruction is the problem. On that 3rd and 1 for Navy at the goal line, we waited.... WAITED ...to tackle "whoever was coming through the line with the ball." You have to push THEM back.

Didn't Navy beat (Houston)the number 11 team in country by 6. You guys sound like a bunch of loosers yourself.Am I disappointed. Sure I am. Could we have played better yes. But to sit here and complain like we're worthless is pathetic. If you think you can coach better which a lot of you on here think you can. Go apply for a position on the coaching staff.

Hold on there sparky. I'm not complaining that we are worthless. I said we need to scheme better. I actually said we have the superior athletes. Simmer your turbo jets.

WE CAN'T TACKLE AND LACK PROPER TACKLING FUNDAMENTALS. I saw more chest and upper body tackles yesterday to last me a lifetime-many times our guys were trying to strip the ball in a chest tackle but many times not. Navy had their facemask in the turf-our tacklers were standing up a lot.
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The only thing i don't like about playing navy is all the blocks on both sides of the ball being thrown directly at the knees. I think they had a false start not called in the first period and a couple good spots, but that is not really that unusual for a football game, and i've seen much worse. I don't think any of the calls really made that big of a difference.

The goal line stand by navy and getting the ball back and then not scoring was the difference in winning and losing, imo. Btw, that 4th down you run directly at them.

I think the better team won. I still think we got better talent but just not good enough as a team to show it. With us having so many young and inexperienced players out there, we did very well on the road. Just came up a little short.

It will be interesting to watch how this team responds in the next game.
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(10-24-2016 08:38 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  The only thing i don't like about playing navy is all the blocks on both sides of the ball being thrown directly at the knees. I think they had a false start not called in the first period and a couple good spots, but that is not really that unusual for a football game, and i've seen much worse. I don't think any of the calls really made that big of a difference.

The goal line stand by navy and getting the ball back and then not scoring was the difference in winning and losing, imo. Btw, that 4th down you run directly at them.

I think the better team won. I still think we got better talent but just not good enough as a team to show it. With us having so many young and inexperienced players out there, we did very well on the road. Just came up a little short.

It will be interesting to watch how this team responds in the next game.

I didn't know if it was just my vantage point in the stadium, but it looked like every spot was generous to their forward progress. Was curious to hear from others.
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(10-24-2016 02:41 PM)Halfcourt Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 08:38 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  The only thing i don't like about playing navy is all the blocks on both sides of the ball being thrown directly at the knees. I think they had a false start not called in the first period and a couple good spots, but that is not really that unusual for a football game, and i've seen much worse. I don't think any of the calls really made that big of a difference.

The goal line stand by navy and getting the ball back and then not scoring was the difference in winning and losing, imo. Btw, that 4th down you run directly at them.

I think the better team won. I still think we got better talent but just not good enough as a team to show it. With us having so many young and inexperienced players out there, we did very well on the road. Just came up a little short.

It will be interesting to watch how this team responds in the next game.

I didn't know if it was just my vantage point in the stadium, but it looked like every spot was generous to their forward progress. Was curious to hear from others.

Looked that way to me too. Think there is subconscious bias towards Navy by officials.
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(10-24-2016 03:10 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 02:41 PM)Halfcourt Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 08:38 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  The only thing i don't like about playing navy is all the blocks on both sides of the ball being thrown directly at the knees. I think they had a false start not called in the first period and a couple good spots, but that is not really that unusual for a football game, and i've seen much worse. I don't think any of the calls really made that big of a difference.

The goal line stand by navy and getting the ball back and then not scoring was the difference in winning and losing, imo. Btw, that 4th down you run directly at them.

I think the better team won. I still think we got better talent but just not good enough as a team to show it. With us having so many young and inexperienced players out there, we did very well on the road. Just came up a little short.

It will be interesting to watch how this team responds in the next game.

I didn't know if it was just my vantage point in the stadium, but it looked like every spot was generous to their forward progress. Was curious to hear from others.

Looked that way to me too. Think there is subconscious bias towards Navy by officials.

I was listening on the radio when we stuffed Navy on a 3rd and short and then they subsequently went for it and barely picked up the first down on 4th and short. Again, I could not see it but the Navy radio guys were harping on what a generous spot the Navy runner got. They thought he was stopped short but given a first down spot. It could not really be challenged due to not having a camera right down the first down line.
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(10-24-2016 03:53 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 03:10 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 02:41 PM)Halfcourt Wrote:  
(10-24-2016 08:38 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  The only thing i don't like about playing navy is all the blocks on both sides of the ball being thrown directly at the knees. I think they had a false start not called in the first period and a couple good spots, but that is not really that unusual for a football game, and i've seen much worse. I don't think any of the calls really made that big of a difference.

The goal line stand by navy and getting the ball back and then not scoring was the difference in winning and losing, imo. Btw, that 4th down you run directly at them.

I think the better team won. I still think we got better talent but just not good enough as a team to show it. With us having so many young and inexperienced players out there, we did very well on the road. Just came up a little short.

It will be interesting to watch how this team responds in the next game.

I didn't know if it was just my vantage point in the stadium, but it looked like every spot was generous to their forward progress. Was curious to hear from others.

Looked that way to me too. Think there is subconscious bias towards Navy by officials.

I was listening on the radio when we stuffed Navy on a 3rd and short and then they subsequently went for it and barely picked up the first down on 4th and short. Again, I could not see it but the Navy radio guys were harping on what a generous spot the Navy runner got. They thought he was stopped short but given a first down spot. It could not really be challenged due to not having a camera right down the first down line.

Below is my "spot analysis" I previously posted in another thread. By the way, I remember the ESPN announcer saying one time on a Navy first down, "I am surprised that the chains moved so fluidly after that last play". I also thought it was strange that you never say one of those red markers laying on the ground on the Navy side to mark what was needed for a first down. The official markers were on the Memphis side where they were hard to see.

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I am also not blaming the refs for the loss but some of those marks were either a result of blatant cheating or complete ineptitude. I went back and watched the first 3Qs looking for bad marks. I didnt find as many as I thought I would, finding 8 where the mark was wrong by a foot or more, one of which was in Memphis' favor (by a foot). The worst ones were:

1) Navy's first drive, 10:30 left in 1Q. HUGE CALL! Navy went for it on 4th&1 from their own 44. Tiger defender made a great hit right at the 45 and drove the Navy runner straight back. Tiger D celebrated, thinking they'd made the stop. But the line-judge, standing right in front of the hit and right in front of Navy coach, steps to his right and puts his foot down TWO FEET beyond the 45. The ball ends up placed with its tip on the 46, a full yard beyond the farthest possible point that the ball got to. Watching the replay, it was very difficult to tell whether the ball made the front edge of the 45 for the 1st down. Maybe, if they'd shown a replay from the other side you could have actually seen the ball. Anyway, the mark was completely ludicrous...a real WTF moment!

2) Memphis' last drive of the first half. 2Q, 0:57 left. 2nd & 10 from the M18. Pass to Miller near the left sideline. Miller makes the catch about a foot past the 28 and as he's turning up-field, he is hit and driven back. The ref comes up and marks the ball at the 27, a full 4 feet behind where the ball should have been marked. So, instead of a first down and the clock stopping while the chains moved, the clock keeps churning and we ran the ball to ensure we got the 1st down. It cost us about 0:20 and really got us to where we just didn't have time. To me, this wasn't as aggregious as 1) because the ref was not "right there" with a great view, but still a horrible mark.

Go check out these 2 marks and shake your head.
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