completely agree 2008...i'm no Dalton fan (ruined more than one of my fantasy football seasons)...but the speed of the NFL, complications of the playbook, and experience he has puts him way beyond where Ben is now. The best thing he can do is work his butt off and learn like crazy from Dalton. In the future? Maybe Ben could get there, but lightning won't strike 3x for a Cowboys under the radar QB. I'd love to be wrong and eat crow..but book it.

(05-05-2020 07:15 AM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  Ben needs to absorb every bit of information and technique from Dalton that he can this year...he's not playing in from of Dalton. Even if you think their skill level is equal, Dalton has 9 years under his belt (with a winning record and 4 seasons making the playoffs in Cincinnati).

The NFL is a very "what have you done for me lately?" kind of league. Dalton led Cincy to four consecutive losing seasons the past four years, going 2-14 last year. Horny will tell you that that is "darn impressive," but I won't. Dalton is NOT Tom Brady. Jerry Jones is looking for a body in Dalton, a fallback guy in case Dak bolts. Dalton may be more used to NFL speed, but he has exactly as much knowledge of the Cowboy system as Nooch does.

Again, this is Jerry Jones' decision to make. He is noted for making what some would consider unconventional decisions. He will start a rookie over a veteran. He has done it. I'm not saying that Nooch is going to beat out every QB in training camp. I said the stars would have to be aligned in Nooch's favor. So, please, everyone stop with the 'Purple is insane. He thinks Nooch is going to beat out Dak Prescott and Andy Dalton as the the starter in Dallas, go on to an undefeated season, break all of the NFL season passing records, and win the Super Bowl by 200 points.' I am saying that Nooch is in an incredibly good situation on the perfect team. The stars align often in Dallas.

Quote:Should there be preseason games, Ben will get his chance to run some plays, but the Cowboys aren't going to drop that much money to bring in an experienced backup and not use him over a 7th-round rookie.

They did it with Dak (OK, Dak was a fourth-round pick), starting him over veteran Mark Sanchez when Romo was hurt.

Quote:Dalton isn't going to be around long, so Ben needs to work hard and ask a lot of questions to put himself in a good position should something happen...but he's not gonna be the first backup this year.

So, what happens if Dak doesn't sign and Dalton is the starter? Who is the first backup?

I figure odds are that Dak will sign. I see movement from both sides toward the middle. However, it is far from a guarantee.

(05-05-2020 12:18 PM)Purple Wrote:  

Quote:Should there be preseason games, Ben will get his chance to run some plays, but the Cowboys aren't going to drop that much money to bring in an experienced backup and not use him over a 7th-round rookie.

They did it with Dak (OK, Dak was a fourth-round pick), starting him over veteran Mark Sanchez when Romo was hurt.

Stop comparing Dalton to Sanchez.

(05-05-2020 12:34 PM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 12:18 PM)Purple Wrote:  

Quote:Should there be preseason games, Ben will get his chance to run some plays, but the Cowboys aren't going to drop that much money to bring in an experienced backup and not use him over a 7th-round rookie.

They did it with Dak (OK, Dak was a fourth-round pick), starting him over veteran Mark Sanchez when Romo was hurt.

Stop comparing Dalton to Sanchez.

No. The situations are nearly identical and the comparison is relevant. Both Sanchez and Dalton have barely over .500 records. Both started hot with their first teams, taking them to the playoffs, the difference being that Sanchez could actually win playoff games. His playoff record is 4-2. Dalton's is 0-4. Then, they stunk up the field for a few years and found themselves on the retread circuit, both winding up in Dallas as washed-up veterans. Their careers have been very much alike.

I’ll just be happy if DiNucci carries the clip board and sticks in the NFL. I could see a time where he becomes a number 2 after a few years in the league and a starter goes down and Ben comes in to lead the team to victory with a few sneaky scrambles and some precision passing followed by his signature six shooter to amp up the crowd and his teammates. Maybe he eventually becomes a cross between Ryan Fitzpatrick and Gardner Minshew. I’m not expecting more than that but if that’s his ceiling I think it would be cool and really be a great example for recruits and players at JMU that you can be under center and have a good career in the NFL if you matriculate through JMU.

(05-05-2020 04:06 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  I’ll just be happy if DiNucci carries the clip board and sticks in the NFL. I could see a time where he becomes a number 2 after a few years in the league and a starter goes down and Ben comes in to lead the team to victory with a few sneaky scrambles and some precision passing followed by his signature six shooter to amp up the crowd and his teammates. Maybe he eventually becomes a cross between Ryan Fitzpatrick and Gardner Minshew. I’m not expecting more than that but if that’s his ceiling I think it would be cool and really be a great example for recruits and players at JMU that you can be under center and have a good career in the NFL if you matriculate through JMU.

I see more than that in Nooch's future.... potentially.... just because of where he landed. Dallas is the perfect franchise for DiNucci. And, I'm not the only one making the wild and crazy Romo comparisons. Mike McCarthy says Nooch "reminds him of Marc Bulger," another native of the quarterback-rich Pittsburgh area.... The next Tony Romo?

The front office in Frisco is extremely high on Ben DiNucci. If Dak bolts or is injured and Dalton performs poorly or is injured, you may see Ben DiNucci as a starting quarterback in the NFL.... at some point. It may not happen this season, or maybe it will. Nooch could have a bad game or two or get injured and his pro career is history. Lots of things can happen. That's why I say the stars must be aligned, as they were for Romo and Dak. I don't see it as the out-of-this-world impossibility that some of you do.

Wow...we went from a good FCS QB to a guy who will easily replace two pro bowl QBs one who was a pro bowler last year and has been offered a contract in excess of 30 million a year. Listen, I like Ben as much as the next guy but he was not even a finalist for the Walter Payton award just a few months ago and now we have him clearly beating out Andy and Dak c'mon... And the talk of Dak bolting is a little silly. The team has offered him 30 million dollars! It is not like they are going to go from offering to make him one of the highest paid QB's to kicking the guy out the door. He can't bolt for 3 more years if the Cowboys don't allow him to. Dak would have to follow the same path as Cousins which is a multi-year process. And one huge difference is that the redskins did not seem all that excited about Cousins but Jerry and the 'boys have been fawning over Dak for years. They are in love with the guy and there is no chance they let him walk away. If the Cowboys were really upset at Dak they could just rescind the offer but of course that has not happened because a 26 y/o pro bowl QB does not grow on a tree I would bet every cent I have that Dak plays in Dallas next year and the year after and the year after, barring major injury, nobody just moves on from a young QB like this that you're building your franchise around. The guy was the QB of the #1 offense in the NFL last year. But sure they will probably move on from him and any chance of Jerry's next ring because he did not sign the offer fast enough? Jerry always gets his guy and there is no rush right now to do anything quickly. Dak will sign within the next 6 weeks. Dalton will back up Dak and wait for next offseason where there should be lots of starting positions around the league and Ben will hopefully stick on as the 3rd string/PS guy and if everything goes well move into the backup role next season but c'mon we're not seriously saying he is taking over what most experts are saying is a top 3-5 offense in the NFL this season are we? I mean I think most experts would not pick Joe Burrow to start over Dak right now but we are saying Ben will?

NFL.com released their rankings of 2020 QB's and Dak was 7 just in front of Aaron Rodgers. Andy Dalton was 29th. If Ben replaces Dak we are saying he is essentially a top 5 NFL QB...

Spell Walter Payton’s name right.

(05-06-2020 08:50 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Spell Walter Payton’s name right.

Done

(05-06-2020 08:29 AM)doubleduke2016 Wrote:  Wow...we went from a good FCS QB to a guy who will easily replace two pro bowl QBs one who was a pro bowler last year and has been offered a contract in excess of 30 million a year. Listen, I like Ben as much as the next guy but he was not even a finalist for the Walter Payton award just a few months ago and now we have him clearly beating out Andy and Dak c'mon... And the talk of Dak bolting is a little silly. The team has offered him 30 million dollars! It is not like they are going to go from offering to make him one of the highest paid QB's to kicking the guy out the door. He can't bolt for 3 more years if the Cowboys don't allow him to. Dak would have to follow the same path as Cousins which is a multi-year process. And one huge difference is that the redskins did not seem all that excited about Cousins but Jerry and the 'boys have been fawning over Dak for years. They are in love with the guy and there is no chance they let him walk away. If the Cowboys were really upset at Dak they could just rescind the offer but of course that has not happened because a 26 y/o pro bowl QB does not grow on a tree I would bet every cent I have that Dak plays in Dallas next year and the year after and the year after, barring major injury, nobody just moves on from a young QB like this that you're building your franchise around. The guy was the QB of the #1 offense in the NFL last year. But sure they will probably move on from him and any chance of Jerry's next ring because he did not sign the offer fast enough? Jerry always gets his guy and there is no rush right now to do anything quickly. Dak will sign within the next 6 weeks. Dalton will back up Dak and wait for next offseason where there should be lots of starting positions around the league and Ben will hopefully stick on as the 3rd string/PS guy and if everything goes well move into the backup role next season but c'mon we're not seriously saying he is taking over what most experts are saying is a top 3-5 offense in the NFL this season are we? I mean I think most experts would not pick Joe Burrow to start over Dak right now but we are saying Ben will?

NFL.com released their rankings of 2020 QB's and Dak was 7 just in front of Aaron Rodgers. Andy Dalton was 29th. If Ben replaces Dak we are saying he is essentially a top 5 NFL QB...

Wow! Read much? I guess I am going to have to make this my signature....

"I said the stars would have to be aligned in Nooch's favor. So, please, everyone stop with the 'Purple is insane. He thinks Nooch is going to beat out Dak Prescott and Andy Dalton as the the starter in Dallas, go on to an undefeated season, break all of the NFL season passing records, and win the Super Bowl by 200 points.'"

(05-04-2020 08:15 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 07:54 PM)JMUPride Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 07:29 PM)Purple Wrote:  I truly believe that Nooch is better than Dalton. If Dak fails to sign, this could be awesome.

Yea, calm down there buddy. It's easier to make a case Dalton is as good as Dak. For at least the immediate future Nooch is a step down from both.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This sounds like the same business I heard in 2017 from those who thought Nooch should be benched.

Here is a little history and why I say that Nooch is in the perfect situation on the perfect team. As I have already stated, the stars will have to be aligned for Nooch to become the starter, but it is much easier in Dallas than some of you think. The stars aligned for the past two franchise quarterbacks in Dallas, Romo and Prescott. Jerry Jones could give a doodly about Andy Dalton's NFL experience. He cares about performance NOW! He benched 12-year veteran Drew Bledsoe for undrafted free agent Tony Romo when Bledsoe began stinking up the field. The stars aligned. (when I say Jones is making these decisions, make no mistake, Jerry Jones runs the Dallas Cowboys). Romo became the face of the franchise. Suffering a back injury in the 2016 pre-season, Romo missed ten games. Dak got the start. The stars aligned. For those of you who believe that NFL experience is such a big factor in deciding which quarterback gets called up, consider that Dallas chose to start rookie Dak Prescott over veteran Mark Sanchez. Dak is now the franchise QB but is on thin ice, IMO.

Whether it be injuries or poor performance, the stars will have to be aligned in Dallas for Nooch. It could happen this year, it could happen next year or the following. But, one thing is certain - those stars aligned perfectly for the past two franchise quarterbacks in Dallas, and I have no reason to believe that it is impossible for the stars to align again. In fact, the odds are in favor it. Before anything else happens, Nooch has to continue to impress the Cowboys while keeping an eye on the sky for an aligning of the stars.

Good gracious, I've never seen such a man-crush on this board. With the right coaching and discipline Ben may have more potential than Dalton, but there's no way he's better. Even with Dalton approaching the down side of his career, he's been a solid NFL starter on a sinking team, and can still play at a high level.

I, for one, criticized several aspects of DiNucci's game but not arm strength; decision making, timing, accuracy- especially under duress, are where I saw issues. Things improved his last year, but unless they continue to progress he'll be lucky to make the practice squad, let alone the roster. He's never come close to facing the game speed and player quality he'll see in the NFL.

But there's always a chance things click for him. He may be a project and make the practice squad, and if McCarthy feels he's progressed enough he may put him on the active roster to learn from the 2 guys ahead of him. I grew up a Cowboys fan, and it'd be great to see him and Carter make it, but in my book the best thing Nooch can do for the Cowboys is run Jerry over with his car.

(05-07-2020 01:23 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 08:15 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 07:54 PM)JMUPride Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 07:29 PM)Purple Wrote:  I truly believe that Nooch is better than Dalton. If Dak fails to sign, this could be awesome.

Yea, calm down there buddy. It's easier to make a case Dalton is as good as Dak. For at least the immediate future Nooch is a step down from both.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This sounds like the same business I heard in 2017 from those who thought Nooch should be benched.

Here is a little history and why I say that Nooch is in the perfect situation on the perfect team. As I have already stated, the stars will have to be aligned for Nooch to become the starter, but it is much easier in Dallas than some of you think. The stars aligned for the past two franchise quarterbacks in Dallas, Romo and Prescott. Jerry Jones could give a doodly about Andy Dalton's NFL experience. He cares about performance NOW! He benched 12-year veteran Drew Bledsoe for undrafted free agent Tony Romo when Bledsoe began stinking up the field. The stars aligned. (when I say Jones is making these decisions, make no mistake, Jerry Jones runs the Dallas Cowboys). Romo became the face of the franchise. Suffering a back injury in the 2016 pre-season, Romo missed ten games. Dak got the start. The stars aligned. For those of you who believe that NFL experience is such a big factor in deciding which quarterback gets called up, consider that Dallas chose to start rookie Dak Prescott over veteran Mark Sanchez. Dak is now the franchise QB but is on thin ice, IMO.

Whether it be injuries or poor performance, the stars will have to be aligned in Dallas for Nooch. It could happen this year, it could happen next year or the following. But, one thing is certain - those stars aligned perfectly for the past two franchise quarterbacks in Dallas, and I have no reason to believe that it is impossible for the stars to align again. In fact, the odds are in favor it. Before anything else happens, Nooch has to continue to impress the Cowboys while keeping an eye on the sky for an aligning of the stars.

Good gracious, I've never seen such a man-crush on this board. With the right coaching and discipline Ben may have more potential than Dalton, but there's no way he's better. Even with Dalton approaching the down side of his career, he's been a solid NFL starter on a sinking team, and can still play at a high level.

I, for one, criticized several aspects of DiNucci's game but not arm strength; decision making, timing, accuracy- especially under duress, are where I saw issues. Things improved his last year, but unless they continue to progress he'll be lucky to make the practice squad, let alone the roster. He's never come close to facing the game speed and player quality he'll see in the NFL.

But there's always a chance things click for him. He may be a project and make the practice squad, and if McCarthy feels he's progressed enough he may put him on the active roster to learn from the 2 guys ahead of him. I grew up a Cowboys fan, and it'd be great to see him and Carter make it, but in my book the best thing Nooch can do for the Cowboys is run Jerry over with his car.

Maybe while we're at it, we can have Jimmy take out Snyder.

Two once dominant franchises that have not been up to par for a long time.

(05-07-2020 01:23 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 08:15 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 07:54 PM)JMUPride Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 07:29 PM)Purple Wrote:  I truly believe that Nooch is better than Dalton. If Dak fails to sign, this could be awesome.

Yea, calm down there buddy. It's easier to make a case Dalton is as good as Dak. For at least the immediate future Nooch is a step down from both.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This sounds like the same business I heard in 2017 from those who thought Nooch should be benched.

Here is a little history and why I say that Nooch is in the perfect situation on the perfect team. As I have already stated, the stars will have to be aligned for Nooch to become the starter, but it is much easier in Dallas than some of you think. The stars aligned for the past two franchise quarterbacks in Dallas, Romo and Prescott. Jerry Jones could give a doodly about Andy Dalton's NFL experience. He cares about performance NOW! He benched 12-year veteran Drew Bledsoe for undrafted free agent Tony Romo when Bledsoe began stinking up the field. The stars aligned. (when I say Jones is making these decisions, make no mistake, Jerry Jones runs the Dallas Cowboys). Romo became the face of the franchise. Suffering a back injury in the 2016 pre-season, Romo missed ten games. Dak got the start. The stars aligned. For those of you who believe that NFL experience is such a big factor in deciding which quarterback gets called up, consider that Dallas chose to start rookie Dak Prescott over veteran Mark Sanchez. Dak is now the franchise QB but is on thin ice, IMO.

Whether it be injuries or poor performance, the stars will have to be aligned in Dallas for Nooch. It could happen this year, it could happen next year or the following. But, one thing is certain - those stars aligned perfectly for the past two franchise quarterbacks in Dallas, and I have no reason to believe that it is impossible for the stars to align again. In fact, the odds are in favor it. Before anything else happens, Nooch has to continue to impress the Cowboys while keeping an eye on the sky for an aligning of the stars.

Good gracious, I've never seen such a man-crush on this board. With the right coaching and discipline Ben may have more potential than Dalton, but there's no way he's better. Even with Dalton approaching the down side of his career, he's been a solid NFL starter on a sinking team, and can still play at a high level.

I, for one, criticized several aspects of DiNucci's game but not arm strength; decision making, timing, accuracy- especially under duress, are where I saw issues. Things improved his last year, but unless they continue to progress he'll be lucky to make the practice squad, let alone the roster. He's never come close to facing the game speed and player quality he'll see in the NFL.

But there's always a chance things click for him. He may be a project and make the practice squad, and if McCarthy feels he's progressed enough he may put him on the active roster to learn from the 2 guys ahead of him. I grew up a Cowboys fan, and it'd be great to see him and Carter make it, but in my book the best thing Nooch can do for the Cowboys is run Jerry over with his car.

Here we go with the man crush horsesh!t. Again, please read and try comprehending this time!

I did not say that Nooch is going to beat out Dak and Dalton. I said Nooch is in the perfect situation on the perfect team for the stars to align, giving him a shot instead of riding the pine in obscurity which is what would happen on most NFL teams. I also said he would need help from Dak and Dalton, whether it be contract holdout, injuries, or poor performance. That help has happened with both of the Cowboys' past two starting quarterbacks. Unlike most NFL owners and apparently you, Jerry Jones doesn't give a doodly about experience. He has a history of starting rookies and inexperienced UDFAs in place of veterans with a ton of experience. That is a FACT!

Nooch is in a good situation. That is all I have said. So, stop with the man crush BS. Now, we will just have to wait to see if, in fact, the stars align in Nooch's favor as they have for both of the past two franchise quarterbacks who were virtual nobodies when they arrived in Dallas. Again, Nooch is in the perfect situation on the perfect team. And, the front office really likes him. THAT is all I am saying. There is no substitute for being in the right place at the right time. Nooch is in the right place at the right time. The rest is up to circumstance, the alignment of the stars, and Nooch himself.

(05-07-2020 03:08 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 07:29 PM)Purple Wrote:  I truly believe that Nooch is better than Dalton.

I did not say that Nooch is going to beat out Dak and Dalton.

So Nooch is better than Dalton but the coaching staff will fail to recognize it cause Dalton would start ahead of him?

One thing I did not know about el noocharino.... he is 6'3"

Dalton is 6'2" - consider it over

(05-07-2020 03:15 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  One thing I did not know about el noocharino.... he is 6'3"

Dalton is 6'2" - consider it over

Not into the whole brevity thing, huh?

Can we at least all agree that if Nooch is on the sidelines it is because the coaches don't want the best QB on the team to get hurt for future seasons?


Seriously though, I'd really appreciate if anyone knew which thread had the post that DiNucci was only playing in 2018 cause coaches didn't want Cole to get hurt. I feel like that thread would be a nice read right now.

Andy Dalton is lame at football

(05-07-2020 03:15 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  One thing I did not know about el noocharino.... he is 6'3"

Dalton is 6'2" - consider it over

(05-07-2020 11:25 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  Can we at least all agree that if Nooch is on the sidelines it is because the coaches don't want the best QB on the team to get hurt for future seasons?


Seriously though, I'd really appreciate if anyone knew which thread had the post that DiNucci was only playing in 2018 cause coaches didn't want Cole to get hurt. I feel like that thread would be a nice read right now.

Good call! That may be the 2018 New Hampshire in-game thread. I believe it was around that time.