My guess is they are crossing the ts n dotting the i s in case they are the choice.

I know it will not happen but I think the PAC 12 should add the following four programs:

Houston, TCU, BYU, and Colorado St.

Reasons?

1. Gives the PAC 12 a huge presence in Texas without the Longhorn baggage.
2. Gives Colorado and Utah a natural rivalry like the other members of the PAC 12 (Wash & WSU, Ariz & ASU, Oregon & Oreg. St.)

Why not OU? I think the Sooners are tied at the hip with Texas and in essence additional baggage the PAC 12 doesn't need.

In turn, I think this would force the Big 12 to expand east thus bringing UConn, Cincy, UCF, and USF into the fold. If they want to go to 14 then Memphis, Tulsa, SMU, and Tulane would be in play.

I could definitely see the PAC sending an invite to Houston but I think it would be part of a bigger move to pull schools out of the BIGXII. I wouldn't mind a Houston addition at all but we'll probably have to wait for the demise of the BIGXII first

So let me get this straight, Houston, who the Big XII hasn't decided they want to add despite it being inside the conference map, is now attractive to the Pac or...and this is funny, the ACC? Seriously?

No existing P5 conference wants any of the Texas schools except UT (SEC and A&M excepted of course). It might be willing to suffer another one if it got UT, and UT would want that school to be TT.

The entire Big XII aside from UT, OU and maybe KU is about to become G5 if they don't get their heads out of their asses and shore up their conference with more schools.

(10-04-2016 11:40 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I think a PAC 20 is more likely for Houston than a big 12 now... PAC 12 adds 6-7 big 12 schools plus Houston with wvu, uconn and tcu going to the acc to get at least 8 big 12 votes to disband+ markets for accn

PAC 12 wants to disable MWC even more as well. They mentioned Boise State and San Diego State as top targets for a P5 invite. Comparing Boise State and San Diego State to the Big 12 schools? They have a much better tv market than Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Baylor, West Virginia and Oklahoma State. Boise is at 205,671. That does not include the metropolitan area of Boise. Boise Valley around Boise is 674,675. Large cities near Boise are in this census are Meridian, Nampa, Caldwell, Eagle, Kuna, Garden City, Mountain Home the ones that made up the major population in the area in and around Boise. There are smaller cities that are below 10,000 population. The area is fastest growing area in the country. Back in 1990, the population in the area was close to 400,000. Major corporations that employ many people are Micron Technology (hench Tech science at Boise State research), Simplot, Scentsy, Hewlett-Packard, Blue Cross/Blue Shield Association, Union Pacific, T-Mobile US, DirecTV and Teleperformance. They been adding tech industry factories in the city area.

(10-05-2016 08:46 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 11:40 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I think a PAC 20 is more likely for Houston than a big 12 now... PAC 12 adds 6-7 big 12 schools plus Houston with wvu, uconn and tcu going to the acc to get at least 8 big 12 votes to disband+ markets for accn

PAC 12 wants to disable MWC even more as well.

The MWC is already neutered. No threat to the PAC at all.

(10-05-2016 08:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 08:46 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 11:40 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I think a PAC 20 is more likely for Houston than a big 12 now... PAC 12 adds 6-7 big 12 schools plus Houston with wvu, uconn and tcu going to the acc to get at least 8 big 12 votes to disband+ markets for accn

PAC 12 wants to disable MWC even more as well.

The MWC is already neutered. No threat to the PAC at all.

Boise State is their only threat from the MWC. That is why the PAC 12 thinks they will be in a P5 conference in the future.

(10-05-2016 08:03 AM)HuskyHawk Wrote:  So let me get this straight, Houston, who the Big XII hasn't decided they want to add despite it being inside the conference map, is now attractive to the Pac or...and this is funny, the ACC? Seriously?

No existing P5 conference wants any of the Texas schools except UT (SEC and A&M excepted of course). It might be willing to suffer another one if it got UT, and UT would want that school to be TT.

The entire Big XII aside from UT, OU and maybe KU is about to become G5 if they don't get their heads out of their asses and shore up their conference with more schools.

I think they are expanding, despite the media's obsession with the Big 12 doing nothing, or eventually breaking up. Too much money on the table, and too much at stake for the 8 teams not named UT or OU.

I think the Big 12 has dawdled all year partly b/c they haven't felt any time pressure to make a final decision, and partly b/c BYU shot themselves in the foot and screwed up the original plan.

And I think the Big 12 breaking up is unlikely, even in 2025, unless somebody agrees to take all the other Texas schools (including perhaps Houston now), b/c the Texas legislature isn't letting Texas move and strand 3-4 other Texas schools. IMO.

Finally, by 2025, the NCAA will likely break away with ALL the existing P5 teams, and maybe a few more, and re-form into 4 more geographic super conferences, so the breakup of the Big 12 becomes a moot point.

The Big 12 has turned us all into impatient Judge Smailses

(10-05-2016 08:55 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 08:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 08:46 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 11:40 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I think a PAC 20 is more likely for Houston than a big 12 now... PAC 12 adds 6-7 big 12 schools plus Houston with wvu, uconn and tcu going to the acc to get at least 8 big 12 votes to disband+ markets for accn

PAC 12 wants to disable MWC even more as well.

The MWC is already neutered. No threat to the PAC at all.

Boise State is their only threat from the MWC. That is why the PAC 12 thinks they will be in a P5 conference in the future.

The Big 12 didn't even bring Boise into the second round of interviews. A BYU/Boise Big 12 expansion was really the only viable non-PAC power 5 route for Boise. It looks like Boise is going to be heading up the Mountain West for a while.

(10-05-2016 10:01 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 08:55 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 08:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 08:46 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 11:40 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I think a PAC 20 is more likely for Houston than a big 12 now... PAC 12 adds 6-7 big 12 schools plus Houston with wvu, uconn and tcu going to the acc to get at least 8 big 12 votes to disband+ markets for accn

PAC 12 wants to disable MWC even more as well.

The MWC is already neutered. No threat to the PAC at all.

Boise State is their only threat from the MWC. That is why the PAC 12 thinks they will be in a P5 conference in the future.

The Big 12 didn't even bring Boise into the second round of interviews. A BYU/Boise Big 12 expansion was really the only viable non-PAC power 5 route for Boise. It looks like Boise is going to be heading up the Mountain West for a while.

I agree with that. Several months ago, I heard that Big 12 officials told Memphis admin that they were considering BYU and Boise as FB only additions. Remember when the FB only topic was mentioned in the media? That was it.

But when Houston jumped into the mix, I think Boise got dumped and BYU would have been all sports, until they shot themselves in the foot with the honor code/LGBT issues.

Thus, with BYU out, Boise no longer was a viable option by itself, that far out west. JMO.

(10-05-2016 10:16 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 10:01 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 08:55 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 08:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 08:46 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  PAC 12 wants to disable MWC even more as well.

The MWC is already neutered. No threat to the PAC at all.

Boise State is their only threat from the MWC. That is why the PAC 12 thinks they will be in a P5 conference in the future.

The Big 12 didn't even bring Boise into the second round of interviews. A BYU/Boise Big 12 expansion was really the only viable non-PAC power 5 route for Boise. It looks like Boise is going to be heading up the Mountain West for a while.

I agree with that. Several months ago, I heard that Big 12 officials told Memphis admin that they were considering BYU and Boise as FB only additions. Remember when the FB only topic was mentioned in the media? That was it.

But when Houston jumped into the mix, I think Boise got dumped and BYU would have been all sports, until they shot themselves in the foot with the honor code/LGBT issues.

Thus, with BYU out, Boise no longer was a viable option by itself, that far out west. JMO.

I agree, it was only ever football only. And on top of what you said, I think the Big 12 decided it liked either AF or CSU better as a FB only add with BYU. Better location, better markets, much better academic institutions.

The reality is the Boise remains a strong football program in part by admitting students that couldn't be admitted to any Big 12 school. The market is pathetically small and it's extremely distant from even any other viable market.

(10-05-2016 11:11 AM)HuskyHawk Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 10:16 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 10:01 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 08:55 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 08:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The MWC is already neutered. No threat to the PAC at all.

Boise State is their only threat from the MWC. That is why the PAC 12 thinks they will be in a P5 conference in the future.

The Big 12 didn't even bring Boise into the second round of interviews. A BYU/Boise Big 12 expansion was really the only viable non-PAC power 5 route for Boise. It looks like Boise is going to be heading up the Mountain West for a while.

I agree with that. Several months ago, I heard that Big 12 officials told Memphis admin that they were considering BYU and Boise as FB only additions. Remember when the FB only topic was mentioned in the media? That was it.

But when Houston jumped into the mix, I think Boise got dumped and BYU would have been all sports, until they shot themselves in the foot with the honor code/LGBT issues.

Thus, with BYU out, Boise no longer was a viable option by itself, that far out west. JMO.

I agree, it was only ever football only. And on top of what you said, I think the Big 12 decided it liked either AF or CSU better as a FB only add with BYU. Better location, better markets, much better academic institutions.

The reality is the Boise remains a strong football program in part by admitting students that couldn't be admitted to any Big 12 school. The market is pathetically small and it's extremely distant from even any other viable market.

So what level of student/athlete is BSU admitting for the football team that could not get into the BIG 12? Please provide an example.

(10-05-2016 11:11 AM)HuskyHawk Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 10:16 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 10:01 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 08:55 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 08:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The MWC is already neutered. No threat to the PAC at all.

Boise State is their only threat from the MWC. That is why the PAC 12 thinks they will be in a P5 conference in the future.

The Big 12 didn't even bring Boise into the second round of interviews. A BYU/Boise Big 12 expansion was really the only viable non-PAC power 5 route for Boise. It looks like Boise is going to be heading up the Mountain West for a while.

I agree with that. Several months ago, I heard that Big 12 officials told Memphis admin that they were considering BYU and Boise as FB only additions. Remember when the FB only topic was mentioned in the media? That was it.

But when Houston jumped into the mix, I think Boise got dumped and BYU would have been all sports, until they shot themselves in the foot with the honor code/LGBT issues.

Thus, with BYU out, Boise no longer was a viable option by itself, that far out west. JMO.

I agree, it was only ever football only. And on top of what you said, I think the Big 12 decided it liked either AF or CSU better as a FB only add with BYU. Better location, better markets, much better academic institutions.

The reality is the Boise remains a strong football program in part by admitting students that couldn't be admitted to any Big 12 school. The market is pathetically small and it's extremely distant from even any other viable market.

I don't think academics has a diddly damn thing to do with the Big 12's decisions. Window dressing only. Market and distance do, though.

(10-05-2016 11:56 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think academics has a diddly damn thing to do with the Big 12's decisions. Window dressing only. Market and distance do, though.

I agree and don't agree. I think it is a factor but well down the list.

It will be used when or if a tie breaker is necessary.

For example:

We love School A and B equally but can only pick one. School B has better academics so they are our choice.

(10-05-2016 12:21 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 11:56 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think academics has a diddly damn thing to do with the Big 12's decisions. Window dressing only. Market and distance do, though.

I agree and don't agree. I think it is a factor but well down the list.

It will be used when or if a tie breaker is necessary.

For example:

We love School A and B equally but can only pick one. School B has better academics so they are our choice.

In theory, I agree. But i have yet to see a realignment choice since 2010 where that was a real factor.

I used to think there was a cutoff level where schools weren't acceptable, but WVU made the Big 12, UL made the ACC, Memphis and Houston made the Big East, and Memphis, Houston and Boise were seriously considered for the Big 12. So, I don't think it really counts at all.

I think if Boise was Harvard west, they would still be out for other reasons, too.

^ well if Boise were Harvard west, they'd would have been in the PAC already.

(10-04-2016 11:56 AM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  UC has a Board of Directors meeting on October 18th. Vote on the 17th and sign off on the 18th?

I checked the UC board meetings from previous years. They always seem to have a board meeting around the middle of October every year.

https://www.uc.edu/trustees/meetings.html

(10-05-2016 03:02 PM)Spinal070508 Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 11:56 AM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  UC has a Board of Directors meeting on October 18th. Vote on the 17th and sign off on the 18th?

I checked the UC board meetings from previous years. They always seem to have a board meeting around the middle of October every year.

https://www.uc.edu/trustees/meetings.html

Shhhh

(10-05-2016 11:56 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 11:11 AM)HuskyHawk Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 10:16 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 10:01 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 08:55 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise State is their only threat from the MWC. That is why the PAC 12 thinks they will be in a P5 conference in the future.

The Big 12 didn't even bring Boise into the second round of interviews. A BYU/Boise Big 12 expansion was really the only viable non-PAC power 5 route for Boise. It looks like Boise is going to be heading up the Mountain West for a while.

I agree with that. Several months ago, I heard that Big 12 officials told Memphis admin that they were considering BYU and Boise as FB only additions. Remember when the FB only topic was mentioned in the media? That was it.

But when Houston jumped into the mix, I think Boise got dumped and BYU would have been all sports, until they shot themselves in the foot with the honor code/LGBT issues.

Thus, with BYU out, Boise no longer was a viable option by itself, that far out west. JMO.

I agree, it was only ever football only. And on top of what you said, I think the Big 12 decided it liked either AF or CSU better as a FB only add with BYU. Better location, better markets, much better academic institutions.

The reality is the Boise remains a strong football program in part by admitting students that couldn't be admitted to any Big 12 school. The market is pathetically small and it's extremely distant from even any other viable market.

I don't think academics has a diddly damn thing to do with the Big 12's decisions. Window dressing only. Market and distance do, though.

I do not agree, but that is not the point with Boise.

If Boise joined the Big12, by conference rules some of the better players they currently recruit would not qualify academically, so their recruiting would take a drastic hit.

That plus playing a Big12 team every week, would likely result in some 4-8 seasons or worse. They would quickly become just another Iowa State or worse in football and offer nothing in basketball or other sports, plus being way out of the footprint.