Okay. The NJCAA Western State Football League is down to 4 after the other Arizona schools drop football.

Arizona Western
Eastern Arizona
New Mexico Military
Snow

It will be hard to have a conference with just 4 members in football. In NCAA D1? They would not be qualified to go into post season football. There have been strong rumors that Snow and New Mexico Military could go 4 year and join the NAIA. There have been talks of having another 4 year public college in Arizona. It would be a shame that Arizona Western, the strongest football program in the NJCAA are in dire straights.

(06-16-2018 04:26 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Okay. The NJCAA Western State Football League is down to 4 after the other Arizona schools drop football.

Arizona Western
Eastern Arizona
New Mexico Military
Snow

It will be hard to have a conference with just 4 members in football. In NCAA D1? They would not be qualified to go into post season football. There have been strong rumors that Snow and New Mexico Military could go 4 year and join the NAIA. There have been talks of having another 4 year public college in Arizona. It would be a shame that Arizona Western, the strongest football program in the NJCAA are in dire straights.

Stop the 4-year talk, you and your friends are the only ones talking about another 4-year public college in Arizona. You have been told many times that it is not happening. The decision is up to the government of the state of Arizona and no one else.

The NJCAA is not the NCAA and obviously they have different rules. There are 2 NJCAA football conferences with 3 members.

And. New Mexico Military has been in the Southwest Junior College Football Conference for 2 years. As usual, your information is outdated.

Univesity of Bahamas Looking To Join NAIA

That island nation can produced great track stars. The school needs to add women's basketball before they could join the NAIA.

Frostburg State To D2 MEC Start 2019-20 Season


They accepted MEC's proposal, and approved by the D2? They will start playing D2 sports in 2019/20 school year.

Did the LSC deny UT-Tyler?

(07-07-2018 03:19 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Did the LSC deny UT-Tyler?

I do not know. The D3 official website said that UT-Tyler would be joining the Gulf South Conference. I have not seen any or found any news about all of this. UT-Tyler might be able to get into the GAC better. They are not that far outside of the footprint since SE Oklahoma State is close by.

There seems to be talks that East Texas Baptist might move up to D2. They added club hockey, and upgraded their facilities.

We will find out this coming week - July 9-13 - who is advancing in the reclassifying process. This is also typically when the conference membership is officially announced for the newly approved applicants.

It is highly doubtful for Texas-Tyler going to the Gulf South. And without football, the Great American never looked in Tyler's direction. East Texas Baptist adding club hockey is not going to help them get into D2.

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The DII Membership Committee meetings begin on Tuesday (10 Jul) and end at 12:00EDT, Thursday (12 Jul). The DII Management Council meetings follow on Sunday (15 Jul) and end at 1:00EDT, Tuesday (17 Jul).

UT-Tyler will move to Lone Star, making it a 20 team conference in 2019-20.

https://tylerpaper.com/ut-tyler-will-be-...67f25.html

Benedictine (Lisle, IL) moves from DIII to DII and the Great Lakes Valley Conference in 2019-20.

http://glvcsports.com/news/2018/7/13/gen...-glvc.aspx

Southwest Baptist has also joined but Wisconsin-Parkside left for the GLIAC and St. Joseph’s went under.

(07-18-2018 07:16 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UT-Tyler will move to Lone Star, making it a 20 team conference in 2019-20.

https://tylerpaper.com/ut-tyler-will-be-...67f25.html

Would be very interesting if UT-Dallas also decides to move up from D3. Be a 21 team Lone Star Conference.

Cleary University Joins WHAC

Cleary joins the WHAC in NAIA.

Bacone is staying open.

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/educatio...cd1b8.html

They dropped football, wrestling, rodeo, cheerleading, lacrosse, and dance. They're keeping men's and women's basketball, men's and women's soccer, women's volleyball, softball, baseball, track, and cross country.

They are selling some nearby buildings to generate cash flow, including a Taco Bell.

Here's a working link for the Bacone article

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/educatio...cd1b8.html

Edward Waters To D2?

They think their goal is to join SIAC in D2 in the future.

(08-27-2018 09:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Edward Waters To D2?

They think their goal is to join SIAC in D2 in the future.

903 traditional enrollment students in 2016.

Endowment, $1.8 million

There's zero chance they will be accepted into D2.

(08-27-2018 10:27 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 09:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Edward Waters To D2?

They think their goal is to join SIAC in D2 in the future.

903 traditional enrollment students in 2016.

Endowment, $1.8 million

There's zero chance they will be accepted into D2.

The SIAC has two members -- LeMoyne-Owen and Paine -- with less than 1,000 students, though Paine is apparently in deep trouble. Between the CIAA and SIAC, there's another eight schools with enrollments of between 1,000 and 2,000.

None of which has any bearing on Edward Waters' fitness as a move-up candidate, but it wouldn't be completely out of place if it does, especially since the football coach termed D2 and SIAC membership as a long-term goal.

(08-27-2018 11:32 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 10:27 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 09:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Edward Waters To D2?

They think their goal is to join SIAC in D2 in the future.

903 traditional enrollment students in 2016.

Endowment, $1.8 million

There's zero chance they will be accepted into D2.

The SIAC has two members -- LeMoyne-Owen and Paine -- with less than 1,000 students, though Paine is apparently in deep trouble. Between the CIAA and SIAC, there's another eight schools with enrollments of between 1,000 and 2,000.

None of which has any bearing on Edward Waters' fitness as a move-up candidate, but it wouldn't be completely out of place if it does, especially since the football coach termed D2 and SIAC membership as a long-term goal.

What current members look like isn't the standard that the membership committee uses. They are looking for "model" programs, not bottom feeders. Look at all the programs that have been approved but struggled through the process, or even those that were rejected. Is EWC better than Georgetown KY or Cumberland TN? Because they weren't good enough. How about Fresno Pacific, Holy Names, Spring Hill, Emmanuel GA? They were approved but had great difficulty getting through the process.

Edward Waters doesn't have a chance.

(08-28-2018 10:51 AM)teamvsn Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 11:32 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 10:27 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 09:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Edward Waters To D2?

They think their goal is to join SIAC in D2 in the future.

903 traditional enrollment students in 2016.

Endowment, $1.8 million

There's zero chance they will be accepted into D2.

The SIAC has two members -- LeMoyne-Owen and Paine -- with less than 1,000 students, though Paine is apparently in deep trouble. Between the CIAA and SIAC, there's another eight schools with enrollments of between 1,000 and 2,000.

None of which has any bearing on Edward Waters' fitness as a move-up candidate, but it wouldn't be completely out of place if it does, especially since the football coach termed D2 and SIAC membership as a long-term goal.

What current members look like isn't the standard that the membership committee uses. They are looking for "model" programs, not bottom feeders. Look at all the programs that have been approved but struggled through the process, or even those that were rejected. Is EWC better than Georgetown KY or Cumberland TN? Because they weren't good enough. How about Fresno Pacific, Holy Names, Spring Hill, Emmanuel GA? They were approved but had great difficulty getting through the process.

Edward Waters doesn't have a chance.

You probably know more about this than I, and I can't seem to find it myself, but what are the requirements for moving up? If, say, the SIAC wants them and is willing to invite them, does that help Edward Waters' cause, or is it like moving to FBS where you need to have a conference invitation in hand before you're even allowed in?

(08-28-2018 12:25 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 10:51 AM)teamvsn Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 11:32 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 10:27 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 09:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Edward Waters To D2?

They think their goal is to join SIAC in D2 in the future.

903 traditional enrollment students in 2016.

Endowment, $1.8 million

There's zero chance they will be accepted into D2.

The SIAC has two members -- LeMoyne-Owen and Paine -- with less than 1,000 students, though Paine is apparently in deep trouble. Between the CIAA and SIAC, there's another eight schools with enrollments of between 1,000 and 2,000.

None of which has any bearing on Edward Waters' fitness as a move-up candidate, but it wouldn't be completely out of place if it does, especially since the football coach termed D2 and SIAC membership as a long-term goal.

What current members look like isn't the standard that the membership committee uses. They are looking for "model" programs, not bottom feeders. Look at all the programs that have been approved but struggled through the process, or even those that were rejected. Is EWC better than Georgetown KY or Cumberland TN? Because they weren't good enough. How about Fresno Pacific, Holy Names, Spring Hill, Emmanuel GA? They were approved but had great difficulty getting through the process.

Edward Waters doesn't have a chance.

You probably know more about this than I, and I can't seem to find it myself, but what are the requirements for moving up? If, say, the SIAC wants them and is willing to invite them, does that help Edward Waters' cause, or is it like moving to FBS where you need to have a conference invitation in hand before you're even allowed in?

The D2 membership committee doesn't release qualifications. It would be a problem for them to do so, because then if someone submitted an application that checked all the boxes, yet the committee didn't think they were acceptable, they could get sued.

But, they have said that they have to have a conference sponsor/invitation. They specified that a few years ago when some marginal schools got stranded in independence land. We also know that accreditation problems are a big issue. About 5 years ago, the committee at the time issued a memo that they were looking for "model" members, and that they would look askance at any candidate that hadn't done a feasibility study. Feasibility studies look at what it actually takes to run a program successfully, so we can surmise that the candidate has to have the administrative organization and finances to pull it off. Finances (for private schools) come from either endowments or a slice of each student's tuition, so looking at the endowment and enrollment numbers give you a good idea about whether they have the finances to do it.

That said, the membership of the committee rotates and changes every year. It seems that some years there are people on the committee with differing agendas - an emphasis on expansion or on quality. Some of the more recent ones are hard to understand from my point of view as "model" programs (but what do I know?).

But when it comes down to it, EWC is pretty far below any of the other schools mentioned here. I think this is an instance of a new coach with a dream, who has no idea what's actually required to get approval to transition to D2. Like you, he was probably looking at existing members in the SIAC, some of whom probably wouldn't be allowed in D2 if they were applying today.

(08-28-2018 12:46 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 12:25 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 10:51 AM)teamvsn Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 11:32 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 10:27 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  903 traditional enrollment students in 2016.

Endowment, $1.8 million

There's zero chance they will be accepted into D2.

The SIAC has two members -- LeMoyne-Owen and Paine -- with less than 1,000 students, though Paine is apparently in deep trouble. Between the CIAA and SIAC, there's another eight schools with enrollments of between 1,000 and 2,000.

None of which has any bearing on Edward Waters' fitness as a move-up candidate, but it wouldn't be completely out of place if it does, especially since the football coach termed D2 and SIAC membership as a long-term goal.

What current members look like isn't the standard that the membership committee uses. They are looking for "model" programs, not bottom feeders. Look at all the programs that have been approved but struggled through the process, or even those that were rejected. Is EWC better than Georgetown KY or Cumberland TN? Because they weren't good enough. How about Fresno Pacific, Holy Names, Spring Hill, Emmanuel GA? They were approved but had great difficulty getting through the process.

Edward Waters doesn't have a chance.

You probably know more about this than I, and I can't seem to find it myself, but what are the requirements for moving up? If, say, the SIAC wants them and is willing to invite them, does that help Edward Waters' cause, or is it like moving to FBS where you need to have a conference invitation in hand before you're even allowed in?

The D2 membership committee doesn't release qualifications. It would be a problem for them to do so, because then if someone submitted an application that checked all the boxes, yet the committee didn't think they were acceptable, they could get sued.

But, they have said that they have to have a conference sponsor/invitation. They specified that a few years ago when some marginal schools got stranded in independence land. We also know that accreditation problems are a big issue. About 5 years ago, the committee at the time issued a memo that they were looking for "model" members, and that they would look askance at any candidate that hadn't done a feasibility study. Feasibility studies look at what it actually takes to run a program successfully, so we can surmise that the candidate has to have the administrative organization and finances to pull it off. Finances (for private schools) come from either endowments or a slice of each student's tuition, so looking at the endowment and enrollment numbers give you a good idea about whether they have the finances to do it.

That said, the membership of the committee rotates and changes every year. It seems that some years there are people on the committee with differing agendas - an emphasis on expansion or on quality. Some of the more recent ones are hard to understand from my point of view as "model" programs (but what do I know?).

But when it comes down to it, EWC is pretty far below any of the other schools mentioned here. I think this is an instance of a new coach with a dream, who has no idea what's actually required to get approval to transition to D2. Like you, he was probably looking at existing members in the SIAC, some of whom probably wouldn't be allowed in D2 if they were applying today.

teamvsn got the big requirements; conference invite, finances, accreditation. I'll add that the school not be on NAIA or NCAA probation. Generally it comes down to doing your due diligence and having your house in order. I have lost the link to an actual membership application. Here are two more links for detail information:

Becoming a Division II member institution

2018 Division II Membership Application Instructions

I am a D2 person and Edward Waters is not anywhere close to making my personal D2 wishlist. But it's a committee who makes this decision and they have given us a surprise almost every year. I'm still surprised at the Cumberland (TN) rejection and the Georgetown (KY) rejection was later understood when information about their situation became public.