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(10-13-2016 10:52 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  DavidSt, I have a weird question for you: Pensacola Christian College, college my sister graduated from is basically a nonprofit institution and a member of the NCCAA refuses to accept any federal student aid of any kind because they believe that federal government would force them to make several changes that they do not want to make. This being said, could they join the NAIA?

I can answer this. The NAIA requires a school to be regionally accredited. Pensacola Christian is accredited through TRACS, a national Christian School accreditation system. "National" sounds better than "Regional" but it's not. So at this time, PCC isn't eligible for the NAIA. They would have to get accreditation from SACS (http://www.sacscoc.org/)
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(10-13-2016 12:03 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 10:52 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  DavidSt, I have a weird question for you: Pensacola Christian College, college my sister graduated from is basically a nonprofit institution and a member of the NCCAA refuses to accept any federal student aid of any kind because they believe that federal government would force them to make several changes that they do not want to make. This being said, could they join the NAIA?

I can answer this. The NAIA requires a school to be regionally accredited. Pensacola Christian is accredited through TRACS, a national Christian School accreditation system. "National" sounds better than "Regional" but it's not. So at this time, PCC isn't eligible for the NAIA. They would have to get accreditation from SACS (http://www.sacscoc.org/)

The USCAA could be an option for PCC as they don't require accreditation as take in non-traditional colleges also. There are still rules that do apply they must follow.
http://theuscaa.com/landing/USCAA_Platform.pdf
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(10-13-2016 02:17 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 12:03 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 10:52 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  DavidSt, I have a weird question for you: Pensacola Christian College, college my sister graduated from is basically a nonprofit institution and a member of the NCCAA refuses to accept any federal student aid of any kind because they believe that federal government would force them to make several changes that they do not want to make. This being said, could they join the NAIA?

I can answer this. The NAIA requires a school to be regionally accredited. Pensacola Christian is accredited through TRACS, a national Christian School accreditation system. "National" sounds better than "Regional" but it's not. So at this time, PCC isn't eligible for the NAIA. They would have to get accreditation from SACS (http://www.sacscoc.org/)

The USCAA could be an option for PCC as they don't require accreditation as take in non-traditional colleges also. There are still rules that do apply they must follow.
http://theuscaa.com/landing/USCAA_Platform.pdf

I think USCAA is a step down from NCCAA. Good NCCAA teams that transition to NAIA are usually competitive pretty quickly. It takes more time for a USCAA to get competitive in the NAIA. PCC should stay where they're at until they get regional accreditation. A good fit, competing against like minded colleges.
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(10-13-2016 03:43 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 02:17 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 12:03 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 10:52 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  DavidSt, I have a weird question for you: Pensacola Christian College, college my sister graduated from is basically a nonprofit institution and a member of the NCCAA refuses to accept any federal student aid of any kind because they believe that federal government would force them to make several changes that they do not want to make. This being said, could they join the NAIA?

I can answer this. The NAIA requires a school to be regionally accredited. Pensacola Christian is accredited through TRACS, a national Christian School accreditation system. "National" sounds better than "Regional" but it's not. So at this time, PCC isn't eligible for the NAIA. They would have to get accreditation from SACS (http://www.sacscoc.org/)

The USCAA could be an option for PCC as they don't require accreditation as take in non-traditional colleges also. There are still rules that do apply they must follow.
http://theuscaa.com/landing/USCAA_Platform.pdf

I think USCAA is a step down from NCCAA. Good NCCAA teams that transition to NAIA are usually competitive pretty quickly. It takes more time for a USCAA to get competitive in the NAIA. PCC should stay where they're at until they get regional accreditation. A good fit, competing against like minded colleges.


I could see Dine College go from 2 year JC to a 4 year JC. Be another Native American college at the higher level. USCAA have mainly Junior Colleges among some 4 year colleges.

Alfred State and Dean went from JC to a 4 year college to join NCAA D3. Dean just went to D3 this year. Those schools at the USCAA that are junior colleges could be future NAIA and NCAA schools. Several of them are public schools like University of Maine branches, Penn, New York, and so forth. Plus, there are some that are NAIA members are still listed as USCAA members like Paul Quinn.
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Yes, NAIA allows dual membership with NCCAA and USCAA. Not with NCAA. And NCAA doesn't allow dual membership with NAIA, but does with NCCAA. Many schools maintain their NCCAA membership so that they have post season opportunities if they don't qualify for NCAA/NAIA post season.

Until this year, there was ONE school who had NCAA D3/NAIA membership, grandfathered in from long ago. Nebraska Wesleyan gave up their NAIA membership and committed completely to D3.
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(10-04-2016 04:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Actually, Oklahoma Panhandle State was actually a duel membership in both NAIA and NCAA.

At the beginning of the 1900s, a lot of the NAIA schools were considered D1 if they stayed at the highest level. Baker and many of the other Kansas schools at the NAIA level were conference mates with Kansas, Kansas State, Wichita State, and so forth.

Same with most of the Oklahoma schools including Kingfisher College which is closed down.

KCAC started started in 1890 which Kansas, Kansas State and Washburn were founding members. First football game played in Kansas was between Baker against Kansas Jayhawks. Baker won that game. The members of this conference were.

Bethany 1902 joined
Bethel 1902
Friends 1902
Kansas Wesleyan 1902
McPherson 1902
Ottawa 1902
Southwestern, Kansas 1902
Sterling 1902
Baker 1902 left 1970
College of Emporia 1902 left 1970 closed in 1974
Emporia State 1924 left 1928
Fort Hays State 1902 left 1928
Kansas City 1902 left 1923 closed 1933
Pittsburg State 1902 left 1928
St. Benedict's 1902 left 1928
St. John's Kansas 1902 left 1923 closed in 1968
St. Mary's Kansas 1902 left 1931 dropped sports
Washburn 1902 left 1928
Wichita State 1902 left 1923

The original name of the conference was called Kansas Intercollegiate Athletic Association. Many of the schools above were part of this including Kansas 1890 to 1902, Kansas State 1890 to 1902. KIAA was a 17 member conference from Kansas.
Wichita State was called Fairmont State back then, and St Benedict's new name is Benedictine Kansas now.

NAIA did not formed until 1940. So, any conferences formed before 1940 was considered major conferences before the split.

Other conferences NAIA that would have been considered D1.
Frontier Conference 1935
River States was Kentucky 1916

I could see some of the NAIA publics that could go to D2.


Davenport and Biola was accepted to NCAA D2. Indiana U.-Northwest formally Indiana U.-Calumet was rejected and need to fix their academics to reapply.
Emmanuel U. of Georgia got booted from the process to upgrade, and need to reapply in the future.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/medi...31064577=1

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It's transition season, time to revive this thread.

Johnson & Wales Denver is stepping down to D3 from NAIA:

http://blogs.jwu.edu/news/jwu-denver-joi...vision-iii

There is no NAIA footprint in Colorado so this move makes sense for them. They are currently an NAIA independent making virtually no impact in any sport.
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We can start it again when Chicago State drops down to D-II / NAIA when their WAC contract expires (it's not being renewed).
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(10-13-2016 05:13 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  Yes, NAIA allows dual membership with NCCAA and USCAA. Not with NCAA. And NCAA doesn't allow dual membership with NAIA, but does with NCCAA. Many schools maintain their NCCAA membership so that they have post season opportunities if they don't qualify for NCAA/NAIA post season.

Until this year, there was ONE school who had NCAA D3/NAIA membership, grandfathered in from long ago. Nebraska Wesleyan gave up their NAIA membership and committed completely to D3.


I think they allow only one affiliate from the USCAA since they are unique and not really true colleges/universities. NCAA D3 allow Apprentice as an affiliate, but not a full member since they are a four year school. They are not eligible for post season play.

http://prwolfe.bol.ucla.edu/cfootball/conferences.htm

Quote:The Apprentice School is a "corresponding institution" of the NCAA and plays a
mostly division III schedule.

They have a scheduling arrangement with NCAA D3 and mainly with USA South schools.
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(03-08-2017 04:50 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(10-13-2016 05:13 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  Yes, NAIA allows dual membership with NCCAA and USCAA. Not with NCAA. And NCAA doesn't allow dual membership with NAIA, but does with NCCAA. Many schools maintain their NCCAA membership so that they have post season opportunities if they don't qualify for NCAA/NAIA post season.

Until this year, there was ONE school who had NCAA D3/NAIA membership, grandfathered in from long ago. Nebraska Wesleyan gave up their NAIA membership and committed completely to D3.


I think they allow only one affiliate from the USCAA since they are unique and not really true colleges/universities. NCAA D3 allow Apprentice as an affiliate, but not a full member since they are a four year school. They are not eligible for post season play.

http://prwolfe.bol.ucla.edu/cfootball/conferences.htm

Quote:The Apprentice School is a "corresponding institution" of the NCAA and plays a
mostly division III schedule.

They have a scheduling arrangement with NCAA D3 and mainly with USA South schools.

I count 8 NAIA members on this list. And a lot of "real" 4 year colleges


http://theuscaa.com/Members/index
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3 new schools are lining up for D3 this year so far.
http://d3sports.com/notables/2017/02/thr...to-join-d3

Johnson and Wales in Denver we already know.
SUNY-Delhi going from JUCO to 4 year university
Mississippi University for Women since going to co-ed are adding back sports for this fall.

http://www.muw.edu/athletics/sports

They may have to add basketball first before they can be granted NCAA status again.
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I thought Johnson and wales was a culinary school, strange there are only 2 d3 schools in the mountain time zone
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I think both University Texas-Tyler (exploring to add football) and University Texas-Dallas both might be looking to go D2 Lonestar conference.
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Okay, I remember the Interim WAC conference commish talking about expansion back in 2012 along with the talks about MVFC could merge to form a WAC FBS conference to save the WAC. He talked about several D2 schools west of the Mississippi River were interested in joining the WAC. We found 2 already with Grand Canyon and California Baptist. He did mentioned some of the D2 schools had football teams. The only schools that I know of who have done some upgrading for their stadiums or to build a new stadium that could move up, or ones that could get tractions to upgrade the stadiums that they are using for the cities they play in. The schools that I can think of that have done some work or spent money are Dixie State, Central Washington, Colorado Mesa, Azusa Pacific, West Texas A&M, Texas A&M-Commerce, Texas A&M-Kingsville, Tarleton State, and some others.

There seems to be rumors that Cal. State-Los Angeles could get an invite to the WAC now since Cal. Baptist got invites. Western Washington is another one that could get an invite. If UTRGV, Chicago State and UMKC leaves? We could see a true Western Conference formed by these schools.

Cal. Baptist
Cal. State-Los Angeles
Cal. State-Bakersfield
Seattle U.
Western Washington
Grand Canyon U.
New Mexico State
Utah Valley
New Mexico State
Azusa Pacific
Central Washington
Dixie State
Colorado Mesa
West Texas A&M

Wac could have an FCS conference going with:
Azusa Pacific
Central Washington
Dixie State
Colorado Mesa
West Texas A&M

You could throw Cal.-Davis and Cal. Poly as affiliates in football to make 7 and have cross rivalry games with the Big Sky schools like the SEC and AAC.

Eastern Washington/Central Washington
Cal-Davis/Sacramento State
Northern Colorado/Colorado Mesa
Weber State/Dixie State
Cal. Poly/Azusa Pacific
Northern Arizona/Grand Canyon (if Grand Canyon adds football)

I could see Western Oregon joins in the future WAC school to create a Portland State/Western Oregon match up between Big Sky and WAC.

Creating in an instate rivalry games between the 2 conference could create more $$$$ for both conferences.
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Colorado Mesa is not going D1. There simply is no money.

Dixie State currently does not have enough men's sports to qualify for D1.
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(10-04-2016 06:14 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Speaking of DIII: I've long advocated that the WIAC schools should be forced up to DII.

Patently unfair that they get to compete with small private colleges. The Northern Sun schools are who they should be competing against.


Lots of things I want will never happen ...

WIAC programs are not the only public U's that play D3 sports. New Jersey's publics are all D3 except Rutgers
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(10-05-2016 11:38 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  CyclonePower,

I'm not saying you're wrong or that Madison does not actually desire to keep the UW schools down in DIII.

But that reasoning is pure bunk. Minnesota provides the perfect counter-example. All of the MN public schools are DII (except god-awful Morris, which should be a private liberal arts college anyway ...), yet the Gophers have never lost a kid they asked to walk-on to a MN public school, initially. Sure, the kid might transfer out if getting passed up on the depth chart.

The real threats they have to worry about (they being Minnesota, Wisconsin) are the FCS Dakota teams, FCS UNI, and NIU (moreso Wisconsin).
WIU also not far from Madison and FCS. While going to the Big U and walking on may feed an atheltes' ego, playing D2 or FCS with a scholarship and actually getting playing time instead of being a tacking dummy makes alot more sense
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Absolutely it does.

And the main point is: it's absolutely false that the DIII UW campuses aren't providing athletic scholarships to Wisconsin high school athletes. Pure bunk.


Force them to DII!!!!
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(03-30-2017 11:59 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  Tiffin joins the G-MAC:

http://g-macsports.com/news/2017/3/30/GE...70619.aspx

It's nice to see another Ohio school reuniting in the G-MAC. Maybe th G-MAC and Mountain East could arrange an amicable agreement to allow Notre Dame and Urbana to go to the G-MAC in exchange for the three West Virginia schools (get the old WVIAC band back together?). If they need another football school toss in Kentucky Wesleyan.
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