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(12-02-2016 12:48 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 12:40 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 12:33 PM)757ODU Wrote:  Jeff Jones stated that he does not want instant jump shots. Used football as an example. Teams that tend to play at a slower pace have elite defenses. Seattle Seahawks are a prime example. They run the ball down your throats and use up time of possession. The longer your defense isn't on the field, the more rested and focused they are throughout the game. Everyone sees the Seattle defense as the best defense in the NFL, but really, it's the offense keeping them off the field that makes them so successful.

Eh, we could have a discussion about that. I think the way that it helps defense is that it limits transition opportunities. I'm not sure it has a strong correlation to defensive efficiency (or it might?). But, if you "run the offense," you are going to have players in place to get back on defense and slow the other team. If you start jacking up quick shots, you have guys out of place. Our defense isn't good because we slow the place, we have very good (and aggressive) defensive players that force bad shots from the offense and protect the paint pretty well.

Watch the presser. It's what he said.

Yeah, I believe you. Just stating my opinion.

(12-02-2016 12:49 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 09:58 AM)VCUfan Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 09:40 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 09:38 AM)VCUfan Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 09:25 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  In the last 8 years of the CAA, ODU was at essentially the same level as Wichita State, definitely behind Butler at the end of it, and probably actually had a winning record against VCU, though I didn't look that up.

VCU always held a lead in the series after that winning streak in the early 2000's, but it was never more than 2-3 games.

I definitely think it's fair to state the programs were pretty even before 2011. ODU had a stronger NBA pedigree while VCU had more NCAA tournament success historically. Head to head the teams usually alternated wins and I do think ODU had a winning record at the Coliseum against VCU in the CAA tournament.

Agreed.

Actually went to check because I was curious. VCU and ODU went 10-10 in their last 8 seasons in the CAA, the first game of that period was the last game of VCU's 10-game winning streak. ODU held a 3-1 record at the Richmond Coliseum against VCU over that time period as well.

It's very fair to say that the programs were on equal footing in those 8 years and that ODU even had VCU's number in the Richmond Coliseum during that time.

The Rams have gone 5-1 since the Final Four run with the overall record favoring the Rams 48-43.

If we had a net 2-game advantage at the Coliseum, I guess you swept us twice in the regular season for it to be 10-10. Not doubting your research, but I don't remember being swept in the regular season during that period. It was certainly one hell of an 8-year rivalry. At least you still have UR in conference. All our rivalries are now OOC.

We swept ODU during the regular season in 2011-2012 which was our last in the CAA before moving to the A-10. We didn't meet in the CAA tournament that year. That was Blaine's infamous 5-25 season.

2004-2005: ODU 2, VCU 1
2005-2006: ODU 1, VCU 1
2006-2007: ODU 1, VCU 1
2007-2008: ODU 1, VCU 1
2008-2009: ODU 1, VCU 2
2009-2010: ODU 2, VCU 1
2010-2011: ODU 2, VCU 1
2011-2012: ODU 0, VCU 2

10 wins a piece during those 8 years. 3 of those came in the CAA tournament for ODU. The teams split the regular season series in every season but the last one.

It was definitely a heck of a rivalry during that period. We have Richmond now, GW and Davidson look like they're becoming good ones too. George Mason if they ever get their act together has potential as well.

GF, thanks for the help again. This is getting kind of scary, but I do believe I get it.

As to JJ using points per possession, I think it would be safe to assume that he does. I cannot imagine any coach making a conscious decision to play the ODU style of roundball without having a firm working knowledge of this concept.

(12-02-2016 11:21 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 10:56 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 09:37 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-01-2016 10:57 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-01-2016 07:56 PM)757ODU Wrote:  I feel so bad for the players with fans like Razor and Monarchblue. One is so wrapped up in negativity, he can't see that we have a legit point guard and the other hates every coach we will ever have. These kids are bunch of guys trying to figure each other out and playing their tails off every night. These guys battle! My god...Can we give these kids some time to mesh and get used to playing at a D1 level before we start unleashing hell on them?

Unfortunately, it is the low expectations of fans like you and Giles that have permitted this program to be stuck where we are while our former basketball peers have consistently elevated their programs. If you think making a tournament every half decade is where we should be, then I question your standards. There was a time when us, Butler, VCU, and Wichita State were all at the same level. Three went in the right direction, while we have been, at best, stuck where we were a decade ago.

And I kept my opinions about our PG to myself until one of you basketball geniuses claimed he was one of the best in the last 20 years. Seriously, who can take you seriously until you admit the absurdity of that statement. I mean your cohort was on the same mission to convince us of how good Shuler Bentley was last year.

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Do you understand that I said he could become that or do you just love being argumentative?

In the sense that I could become president, I guess you are right.

Because you becoming president (someone that thinks a turnover is better than a missed shot) is comparable to a soph point guard averaging 20/6/8 per 100 possessions becoming one of the best point guards over the past 20 years.......

Cool, we finally agree on something. I also did not say that a turnover is the same as a missed shot. Just that a ton of missed shots is worse than a couple more turnovers.

(12-02-2016 02:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 11:21 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 10:56 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 09:37 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-01-2016 10:57 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Unfortunately, it is the low expectations of fans like you and Giles that have permitted this program to be stuck where we are while our former basketball peers have consistently elevated their programs. If you think making a tournament every half decade is where we should be, then I question your standards. There was a time when us, Butler, VCU, and Wichita State were all at the same level. Three went in the right direction, while we have been, at best, stuck where we were a decade ago.

And I kept my opinions about our PG to myself until one of you basketball geniuses claimed he was one of the best in the last 20 years. Seriously, who can take you seriously until you admit the absurdity of that statement. I mean your cohort was on the same mission to convince us of how good Shuler Bentley was last year.

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Do you understand that I said he could become that or do you just love being argumentative?

In the sense that I could become president, I guess you are right.

Because you becoming president (someone that thinks a turnover is better than a missed shot) is comparable to a soph point guard averaging 20/6/8 per 100 possessions becoming one of the best point guards over the past 20 years.......

Cool, we finally agree on something. I also did not say that a turnover is the same as a missed shot. Just that a ton of missed shots is worse than a couple more turnovers.

LOL, go back and read what your wrote.

(12-02-2016 02:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 11:21 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 10:56 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 09:37 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-01-2016 10:57 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Unfortunately, it is the low expectations of fans like you and Giles that have permitted this program to be stuck where we are while our former basketball peers have consistently elevated their programs. If you think making a tournament every half decade is where we should be, then I question your standards. There was a time when us, Butler, VCU, and Wichita State were all at the same level. Three went in the right direction, while we have been, at best, stuck where we were a decade ago.

And I kept my opinions about our PG to myself until one of you basketball geniuses claimed he was one of the best in the last 20 years. Seriously, who can take you seriously until you admit the absurdity of that statement. I mean your cohort was on the same mission to convince us of how good Shuler Bentley was last year.

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Do you understand that I said he could become that or do you just love being argumentative?

In the sense that I could become president, I guess you are right.

Because you becoming president (someone that thinks a turnover is better than a missed shot) is comparable to a soph point guard averaging 20/6/8 per 100 possessions becoming one of the best point guards over the past 20 years.......

Cool, we finally agree on something. I also did not say that a turnover is the same as a missed shot. Just that a ton of missed shots is worse than a couple more turnovers.

Incorrect. If you actually coached or played basketball at a high level you would know that a missed shot (even a bad missed shot) is better than a TO.

From an offensive standpoint, there are great possessions and bad possessions. / made shot is the best possible outcome. Second would be a trip to the line. Third would be a missed shot. Fourth would be a deadball turnover. Fifth would be a live ball turnover

(12-02-2016 02:57 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 02:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 11:21 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 10:56 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-02-2016 09:37 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Do you understand that I said he could become that or do you just love being argumentative?

In the sense that I could become president, I guess you are right.

Because you becoming president (someone that thinks a turnover is better than a missed shot) is comparable to a soph point guard averaging 20/6/8 per 100 possessions becoming one of the best point guards over the past 20 years.......

Cool, we finally agree on something. I also did not say that a turnover is the same as a missed shot. Just that a ton of missed shots is worse than a couple more turnovers.

Incorrect. If you actually coached or played basketball at a high level you would know that a missed shot (even a bad missed shot) is better than a TO.

From an offensive standpoint, there are great possessions and bad possessions. / made shot is the best possible outcome. Second would be a trip to the line. Third would be a missed shot. Fourth would be a deadball turnover. Fifth would be a live ball turnover

Correct. A missed shot either leads to an offensive rebound or the opponent gets the rebound and you set up your defense. A turnover by a guard often leads to a fast break or if not, a possession where your bigs start out 20 feet behind the ball. On a dead ball TO you at least can set up your defense on the other end. Also, a turnover under the basket by someone like Brandan or Denzel is not as bad as a perimeter turnover by Baker or Caver. Worst turnovers occur back at halfcourt and beyond. Hence, the havoc philosophy.

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(11-30-2016 08:42 PM)monarx Wrote:  Carver wide open under the hoop and bounces the ball off his foot. Ughhhhhhhh

Guess he's vying for the Erik Griekspoor award.