It's difficult to evaluate Tuberville's recruiting to date. I won't compare it to the three coaches who preceded him and were recruiting from a BCS 6 conference platform. UC seemed to be making some slow but steady inroads with a few high profile local kids during those years. His suggesting the G5 tag is a liability is no doubt true and has given UK a perceived advantage with some of the locals.

So I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that point. That still doesn't account for how UC's recent recruiting has stacked up against the rest of the AAC. Sure, Herman has it going now at Houston but the Cougars were pretty well stocked with talent last year before he could fully leverage their great season. USF/UCF still seem to get stocked with speed and size from that great FL talent pool and granted there is more to go around there too. But with UC's resources, high profile coach and arguably the best facilities/campus in the AAC, why don't we have the speed and depth in year four to regularly contend for a G5 conference title and access bowl?

(09-28-2016 12:11 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 12:09 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 10:56 AM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 10:54 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Was at a function a few weeks back and Tuberville said the high school football coaches and family members have been a problem locally. They have the mindset of "P5 or bust". Said last year he had a kid he was recruiting tell him he was told by "somebody" he had to go to UK. Tubs response "UK? They haven't been to a bowl game in 100 years!". The whole room burst out in laughter.

I have heard multiple coaches say they have improved the relationships with local coaches this past year and they hope to do better. We shall see.

To be fair, playing the SEC has to be an allure for players and their families. Especially since most of them have ambitions (realistic or not) of playing in the NFL.

Can't get to the NFL riding the bench either.

No kid thinks they are going to a school to ride the bench for 4 years. Reason we get some of the transfers we do.

Yep. In that sense Cincinnati and the Ohio MAC schools are the beneficiaries of those kids that probably shouldn't have gone P5 and want to transfer home.

(09-28-2016 12:05 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 11:51 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 11:48 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 11:03 AM)crex043 Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 10:56 AM)Tech Savy Wrote:  To be fair, playing the SEC has to be an allure for players and their families. Especially since most of them have ambitions (realistic or not) of playing in the NFL.

You're probably right, though I imagine the allure disappears quickly when you're getting beat senseless by the rest of the SEC.

I get it. It takes a special mindset from an 18 year old to pass on an opportunity to take a scholarship offer to a Penn State to instead play at a Temple.

If I were in their shoes, I'd have taken the big school offer. Betting just about all of us would have.

I hear you, but your analogy of Temple and PSU is probably not the most appropriate here. More like Boise St. vs. Washington St. or Houston vs. Kansas.

Then use UC and B10 cellar dwellers Illinois or Purdue. The P5 label is here to stay and most kids would prefer to play in it than in what is perceived to be the second tier.

I get that, but Kentucky? They are a P5 doormat. Like I said most of these Ohio kids had FAR BETTER P5 offers than Kentucky. Any kid/family/coach who decided to push their kids to pick UK over a Michigan State, West Virginia or Wisconsin is a complete moron, plain and simple. All are far better programs who have had proven success over and over with Ohio kids. Bottom line is people in Ohio put way too much weight into the Stoops name because of daddy. Hopefully they are wising up to the fact that one has only proven to be a really bad head coach and Ohio kids are leaving that program in droves.

(09-28-2016 01:13 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 12:11 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 12:09 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 10:56 AM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 10:54 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Was at a function a few weeks back and Tuberville said the high school football coaches and family members have been a problem locally. They have the mindset of "P5 or bust". Said last year he had a kid he was recruiting tell him he was told by "somebody" he had to go to UK. Tubs response "UK? They haven't been to a bowl game in 100 years!". The whole room burst out in laughter.

I have heard multiple coaches say they have improved the relationships with local coaches this past year and they hope to do better. We shall see.

To be fair, playing the SEC has to be an allure for players and their families. Especially since most of them have ambitions (realistic or not) of playing in the NFL.

Can't get to the NFL riding the bench either.

No kid thinks they are going to a school to ride the bench for 4 years. Reason we get some of the transfers we do.

Yep. In that sense Cincinnati and the Ohio MAC schools are the beneficiaries of those kids that probably shouldn't have gone P5 and want to transfer home.

Not sure where you two are getting that from, at least as far as UC. Maybe I'm missing one or even some, but off the top of my head, I can't think of a single player on our roster who fits that description from Cincinnati. Kiel is the only one remotely close and it's quite a stretch to call Cincinnati a transfer "home" for an Indiana kid from ND. Who am I missing, if anyone?

UK rolls out the red carpet. They are flush and have it going on from a facilities perspective. And Stoops may not be able to get it done but he surrounds himself with recruiters. And they still play 8 SEC games a year.

Ive done my fair share of Tubs bashing (some of it has been very in line) but in defense of the man and in regards to recrutiting, he has an uphill battle that neither Dantonio, CBJ nor BK had to deal with because whem those three guys were here we were in the big boy club. Tubs is recruiting from the have-nots side and its tough. The "p5 or bust mentality" is evident when kids are going to a total loser program like UK over UC.

A b12 invite would stop that....at least losing kids by in large to the UK's, IU's, UofL's, etc.

(09-28-2016 03:55 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Ive done my fair share of Tubs bashing (some of it has been very in line) but in defense of the man and in regards to recrutiting, he has an uphill battle that neither Dantonio, CBJ nor BK had to deal with because whem those three guys were here we were in the big boy club. Tubs is recruiting from the have-nots side and its tough. The "p5 or bust mentality" is evident when kids are going to a total loser program like UK over UC.

A b12 invite would stop that....at least losing kids by in large to the UK's, IU's, UofL's, etc.

Memphis and Houston are in the same position as Cincinnati and yet both have top 30ish classes signed for 2017.

Part of that is sheer numbers but I agree that Houston, Memphis and USF are doing well.

http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Footbal...erence=AAC

(09-28-2016 04:16 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 03:55 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Ive done my fair share of Tubs bashing (some of it has been very in line) but in defense of the man and in regards to recrutiting, he has an uphill battle that neither Dantonio, CBJ nor BK had to deal with because whem those three guys were here we were in the big boy club. Tubs is recruiting from the have-nots side and its tough. The "p5 or bust mentality" is evident when kids are going to a total loser program like UK over UC.

A b12 invite would stop that....at least losing kids by in large to the UK's, IU's, UofL's, etc.

Memphis and Houston are in the same position as Cincinnati and yet both have top 30ish classes signed for 2017.

Means zero right now when they have double the mount of commits.

(09-28-2016 04:50 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 04:16 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 03:55 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Ive done my fair share of Tubs bashing (some of it has been very in line) but in defense of the man and in regards to recrutiting, he has an uphill battle that neither Dantonio, CBJ nor BK had to deal with because whem those three guys were here we were in the big boy club. Tubs is recruiting from the have-nots side and its tough. The "p5 or bust mentality" is evident when kids are going to a total loser program like UK over UC.

A b12 invite would stop that....at least losing kids by in large to the UK's, IU's, UofL's, etc.

Memphis and Houston are in the same position as Cincinnati and yet both have top 30ish classes signed for 2017.

Means zero right now when they have double the mount of commits.

For the 2016 class, Cincinnati had 21 commits and still finished 6th in the conference...

(09-28-2016 05:02 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 04:50 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 04:16 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 03:55 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Ive done my fair share of Tubs bashing (some of it has been very in line) but in defense of the man and in regards to recrutiting, he has an uphill battle that neither Dantonio, CBJ nor BK had to deal with because whem those three guys were here we were in the big boy club. Tubs is recruiting from the have-nots side and its tough. The "p5 or bust mentality" is evident when kids are going to a total loser program like UK over UC.

A b12 invite would stop that....at least losing kids by in large to the UK's, IU's, UofL's, etc.

Memphis and Houston are in the same position as Cincinnati and yet both have top 30ish classes signed for 2017.

Means zero right now when they have double the mount of commits.

For the 2016 class, Cincinnati had 21 commits and still finished 6th in the conference...

Thought you were citing the current year?

(09-28-2016 05:02 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 04:50 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 04:16 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 03:55 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Ive done my fair share of Tubs bashing (some of it has been very in line) but in defense of the man and in regards to recrutiting, he has an uphill battle that neither Dantonio, CBJ nor BK had to deal with because whem those three guys were here we were in the big boy club. Tubs is recruiting from the have-nots side and its tough. The "p5 or bust mentality" is evident when kids are going to a total loser program like UK over UC.

A b12 invite would stop that....at least losing kids by in large to the UK's, IU's, UofL's, etc.

Memphis and Houston are in the same position as Cincinnati and yet both have top 30ish classes signed for 2017.

Means zero right now when they have double the mount of commits.

For the 2016 class, Cincinnati had 21 commits and still finished 6th in the conference...

what is your function here?

(09-28-2016 05:07 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 05:02 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 04:50 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 04:16 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 03:55 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Ive done my fair share of Tubs bashing (some of it has been very in line) but in defense of the man and in regards to recrutiting, he has an uphill battle that neither Dantonio, CBJ nor BK had to deal with because whem those three guys were here we were in the big boy club. Tubs is recruiting from the have-nots side and its tough. The "p5 or bust mentality" is evident when kids are going to a total loser program like UK over UC.

A b12 invite would stop that....at least losing kids by in large to the UK's, IU's, UofL's, etc.

Memphis and Houston are in the same position as Cincinnati and yet both have top 30ish classes signed for 2017.

Means zero right now when they have double the mount of commits.

For the 2016 class, Cincinnati had 21 commits and still finished 6th in the conference...

Thought you were citing the current year?

Well they are 11th in the conference this year. Neither number is a good sign, especially when your conference mates are all stepping their recruiting up...

(09-28-2016 05:02 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 04:50 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 04:16 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 03:55 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Ive done my fair share of Tubs bashing (some of it has been very in line) but in defense of the man and in regards to recrutiting, he has an uphill battle that neither Dantonio, CBJ nor BK had to deal with because whem those three guys were here we were in the big boy club. Tubs is recruiting from the have-nots side and its tough. The "p5 or bust mentality" is evident when kids are going to a total loser program like UK over UC.

A b12 invite would stop that....at least losing kids by in large to the UK's, IU's, UofL's, etc.

Memphis and Houston are in the same position as Cincinnati and yet both have top 30ish classes signed for 2017.

Means zero right now when they have double the mount of commits.

For the 2016 class, Cincinnati had 21 commits and still finished 6th in the conference...

The class at UH was awesome. Not much difference between 2cond and 6th.

(09-28-2016 05:08 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 05:02 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 04:50 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 04:16 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 03:55 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Ive done my fair share of Tubs bashing (some of it has been very in line) but in defense of the man and in regards to recrutiting, he has an uphill battle that neither Dantonio, CBJ nor BK had to deal with because whem those three guys were here we were in the big boy club. Tubs is recruiting from the have-nots side and its tough. The "p5 or bust mentality" is evident when kids are going to a total loser program like UK over UC.

A b12 invite would stop that....at least losing kids by in large to the UK's, IU's, UofL's, etc.

Memphis and Houston are in the same position as Cincinnati and yet both have top 30ish classes signed for 2017.

Means zero right now when they have double the mount of commits.

For the 2016 class, Cincinnati had 21 commits and still finished 6th in the conference...

what is your function here?

To be a constant black cloud apparently.

(09-28-2016 01:13 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 12:11 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 12:09 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 10:56 AM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 10:54 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Was at a function a few weeks back and Tuberville said the high school football coaches and family members have been a problem locally. They have the mindset of "P5 or bust". Said last year he had a kid he was recruiting tell him he was told by "somebody" he had to go to UK. Tubs response "UK? They haven't been to a bowl game in 100 years!". The whole room burst out in laughter.

I have heard multiple coaches say they have improved the relationships with local coaches this past year and they hope to do better. We shall see.

To be fair, playing the SEC has to be an allure for players and their families. Especially since most of them have ambitions (realistic or not) of playing in the NFL.

Can't get to the NFL riding the bench either.

No kid thinks they are going to a school to ride the bench for 4 years. Reason we get some of the transfers we do.

Yep. In that sense Cincinnati and the Ohio MAC schools are the beneficiaries of those kids that probably shouldn't have gone P5 and want to transfer home.

That sounds like it would be true, but where is the evidence? Most of the transfers on UC's current roster are either jucos or from colleges outside our region. We have transfers from LSU, Northwestern and Indiana State that I can recall, not from colleges or high schools in the Cincinnati Metro area or in Ohio for that matter.

(09-28-2016 04:16 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 03:55 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Ive done my fair share of Tubs bashing (some of it has been very in line) but in defense of the man and in regards to recrutiting, he has an uphill battle that neither Dantonio, CBJ nor BK had to deal with because whem those three guys were here we were in the big boy club. Tubs is recruiting from the have-nots side and its tough. The "p5 or bust mentality" is evident when kids are going to a total loser program like UK over UC.

A b12 invite would stop that....at least losing kids by in large to the UK's, IU's, UofL's, etc.

Memphis and Houston are in the same position as Cincinnati and yet both have top 30ish classes signed for 2017.

Correct. And for that matter, Western Michigan is out-recruiting us! Go figure.

(09-28-2016 11:57 AM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 11:46 AM)Cat_Litter Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 11:17 AM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 11:14 AM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 10:56 AM)Tech Savy Wrote:  To be fair, playing the SEC has to be an allure for players and their families. Especially since most of them have ambitions (realistic or not) of playing in the NFL.

Don't know the actual numbers, but would bet that UC has many more young men in the NFL than does UK. Think UC has 13 currently.

In the last decade, Cincinnati has a slight advantage in drafted players but the only first rounder between the two schools is from Kentucky.

That first rounder was in 1950!

Huh? I am talking about the last decade. Bud Dupree was drafted in the first round by the Steelers in 2015.

I can name most players on most NFL rosters and I've never heard of Bud Dupree.

(09-28-2016 03:55 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Ive done my fair share of Tubs bashing (some of it has been very in line) but in defense of the man and in regards to recrutiting, he has an uphill battle that neither Dantonio, CBJ nor BK had to deal with because whem those three guys were here we were in the big boy club. Tubs is recruiting from the have-nots side and its tough. The "p5 or bust mentality" is evident when kids are going to a total loser program like UK over UC.

A b12 invite would stop that....at least losing kids by in large to the UK's, IU's, UofL's, etc.

UK is one of the worst football schools in the country in the last 25 years, but they still recruit some solid talent. Stoops has always been an awful coach, mike and mark are both horrible coaches, but it just goes to show what an advantage having an extra 40 million dollars a year can get you.

Conference Affiliation (cash) is the real differentiator when it comes to recruiting at UC and a P5 school.

Bud Dupree showed potential last year but he's hurt now.