(09-24-2016 04:34 PM)CatMom Wrote: Oh, let them brag. They want to go off of USNews, so be it. They just need to feel better. If they were in TX they wouldn't even be in the category of emerging Tier 1 Research University. Only 3 in TX are Tier 1, with 7 as emerging.
They won't convince me they are above UTA or even TXST for a Tier 1 Research U when they are categorized as moderate research; whereas UTA is Highest research and TXST is high research. Doctorates are on equal par with TXST, way under UTA and research dollars don't come close.
Being previously ranked by USNews just gives a leg up on being in the top 75% as opposed to ones that just made it but when/if you try to defend being better than a school that might categorically be above you, I will have to take pause.
As for Presidents pay increases? In Texas, it's all about that Tier 1 Research status. TXST Pres brought TXST up by its bootstraps, got that Emerging designation and got that Carnegie T2 ranking in short order. If you think the BOR doesn't see that here, you know nothing about colleges in Texas.
As was said, this was a congratulatory thread to ULM but, once again, got derailed by visiting posters that it didn't even apply to. (like me) So, sorry guy.
the issue with attempting to use the Carnegie Classifications as a ranking is clearly pointed out by the foundation themselves
it looks at gross research dollars without looking at anything about how meaningful that research is and it also takes NOTHING into account about the dramatically different faculty counts of various universities
UTA and Texas State probably have at least 2X the number of faculty as La Tech if not a larger ratio than that so it would be expected that they would do a larger amount of research on a total dollar basis
and really the way they did their classifications this year makes it even more meaningless as far as trying to say that "research productivity" (without any normalization for faculty count) means you are a better university because OkState thrashes north Texas state in total research and in PhD productivity, but for some reason they are not "highest research" while north Texas state is and it has to do with something in the methodology about "expected productivity" or some nonsense like that
it is easy to find fault with the US Snooze, but at least they attempt to look at the outcome of producing undergrads with a degree and retaining students and having students in classes that are not 200 students in a theater
and while there are well documented incidents of universities cheating the evaluations of peers (Clemson) most evaluate fairly hell dem coogs doh at UH filed a FOI request to see the president of UT Austin's evaluations and when they go them they found that he was MORE than fair with dem coogs doh and in fact IMO he had then evaluated too highly
and even the "alumni giving" rate if you think about it who looks and says "well my time at that school sucked and it was meaningless, but I am going to give them more money after I have graduated".....almost no one in the USA would do that especially successful people nor would they go back and hire alumni of they felt those students were going to be morons educated by a schools they thought was a joke while they were there
admissions % is a joke and a meaningless metric and HS counselor rankings are much more questionable than those from others in higher ed, but the Carnegie Foundation looks at total research and PhD production without any normalization for faculty count of need for the PhDs produced......it is hard to get a much less meaningful metric for the quality of UNDERGRADUATE education than that
and as far as The State of Texas is concerned "tier 1" means ONE THING and that is AAU membership and that is HIGHLY unlikely for any of the emerging research universities in the next two decades or more
if you want to know what it takes for a public university with no medical school in a state with many many public universities to get into the AAU all you have to do is look at the metrics of Ga Tech and there is not an emerging research university in Texas that is close to those metrics and Ga Tech is about as close as a comparison to what the AAU would evaluate against as any university out there in the AAU