and was the CFA a de facto conference?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Fo...ssociation

Quote:The CFA was formed by schools from the Atlantic Coast Conference, the Big Eight Conference, the Southeastern Conference, the Southwest Conference, and the Western Athletic Conference, plus independents Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, West Virginia. and the service academies. Schools from the Big Ten Conference and the Pacific-8 Conference did not join the CFA.

It was basically everybody but the MAC, Big West, Big 10 and Pac 10. FBS had 105 schools in 1984:
CFA 63
Big 10 10
Pac 10 10
MAC 10
BW 8
Other 4

(09-21-2016 11:30 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Fo...ssociation

Quote:The CFA was formed by schools from the Atlantic Coast Conference, the Big Eight Conference, the Southeastern Conference, the Southwest Conference, and the Western Athletic Conference, plus independents Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, West Virginia. and the service academies. Schools from the Big Ten Conference and the Pacific-8 Conference did not join the CFA.

ACC = 8

Big eight = 8

SEC = 10

swc = 9

WAC = 9 (including AFA)

ND, WVU, psu, pitt, army, navy

that's only 50 schools and the CFA was said to have 63 members at its peak. There are a lot of schools missing. Miami, FSU, Cuse, BC, temple, rutgers, vt, ecu. where is the list of independent members?

I've seen it stated that it was 17 indys and the WAC, SEC, ACC, SEC, & SWC who combine for 44 members. that fits with the notion that the CFA had 61 members and expanded to 63. so who are the 17 indys outside the obvious (cuse, bc, psu, wvu, pitt, nd, miami, army, navy), who were #62 & #63?

(09-21-2016 02:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I've seen it stated that it was 17 indys and the WAC, SEC, ACC, SEC, & SWC who combine for 44 members. that fits with the notion that the CFA had 61 members and expanded to 63. so who are the 17 indys outside the obvious (cuse, bc, psu, wvu, pitt, nd, miami, army, navy), who were #62 & #63?

I don't know, but here's a list of the 26 D-IA football programs that were independent in 1990:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conf.../1990.html

The way the dynamic shifted in the early 90s forced everyone except Notre Dame into conferences. It's a shame, too because as a fan of a former eastern independent, I preferred football independence to conference membership.

(09-21-2016 03:29 PM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  

(09-21-2016 02:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I've seen it stated that it was 17 indys and the WAC, SEC, ACC, SEC, & SWC who combine for 44 members. that fits with the notion that the CFA had 61 members and expanded to 63. so who are the 17 indys outside the obvious (cuse, bc, psu, wvu, pitt, nd, miami, army, navy), who were #62 & #63?

I don't know, but here's a list of the 26 D-IA football programs that were independent in 1990:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conf.../1990.html

Those plus the conferences are the real D1

(09-21-2016 06:18 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-21-2016 03:29 PM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  

(09-21-2016 02:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I've seen it stated that it was 17 indys and the WAC, SEC, ACC, SEC, & SWC who combine for 44 members. that fits with the notion that the CFA had 61 members and expanded to 63. so who are the 17 indys outside the obvious (cuse, bc, psu, wvu, pitt, nd, miami, army, navy), who were #62 & #63?

I don't know, but here's a list of the 26 D-IA football programs that were independent in 1990:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conf.../1990.html

Those plus the conferences are the real D1

Only in your mind!

(09-21-2016 02:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I've seen it stated that it was 17 indys and the WAC, SEC, ACC, SEC, & SWC who combine for 44 members. that fits with the notion that the CFA had 61 members and expanded to 63. so who are the 17 indys outside the obvious (cuse, bc, psu, wvu, pitt, nd, miami, army, navy), who were #62 & #63?

I've never seen a list. But UL, Cincinnati, Tulane, etc. were in.

ULL was not.

This is a quick list of the independents in 1984, but I don't know who the 4 who were not in were.
Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburg
Virginia Tech
Miami
Penn State
Rutgers
West Virginia
Navy
Army
Notre Dame
Tulsa
Tulane
Cincinnati
Florida State
Air Force
Memphis
Louisville
Southern Mississippi
East Carolina
Temple
Louisiana-Lafayette
Wichita St.

(09-21-2016 03:29 PM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  

(09-21-2016 02:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I've seen it stated that it was 17 indys and the WAC, SEC, ACC, SEC, & SWC who combine for 44 members. that fits with the notion that the CFA had 61 members and expanded to 63. so who are the 17 indys outside the obvious (cuse, bc, psu, wvu, pitt, nd, miami, army, navy), who were #62 & #63?

I don't know, but here's a list of the 26 D-IA football programs that were independent in 1990:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conf.../1990.html

Akron moved up in 87 and Louisiana Tech in 89. Wichita St. dropped fb in 1986.

The Ragin Cajuns were associate members....I know because I was recruiting coordinator and attended CFA meetings representing the University...

(09-23-2016 06:29 AM)swampbear Wrote:  The Ragin Cajuns were associate members....I know because I was recruiting coordinator and attended CFA meetings representing the University...

What is an associate member? You are kept in the loop, but not a full part of the TV contract?

Probably you wouldn't get a cut, unless they actually picked up one of your games?

(09-23-2016 07:53 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Probably you wouldn't get a cut, unless they actually picked up one of your games?

Exactly....but it helped scheduling to be included in any way....Hell, we actually got the Bama Crimson Tide to visit Cajun Field in 1990

(09-21-2016 02:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I've seen it stated that it was 17 indys and the WAC, SEC, ACC, SEC, & SWC who combine for 44 members. that fits with the notion that the CFA had 61 members and expanded to 63. so who are the 17 indys outside the obvious (cuse, bc, psu, wvu, pitt, nd, miami, army, navy), who were #62 & #63?

Rutgers was part of the CFA.