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"We deserved that loss," he said. "We didn't prepare hard enough. We've got to lock in more in practice. We deserved every bit of that loss. There's no way around it. We've got to prepare harder, work harder. We've got to hold each other to a higher standard

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First, it's not a stunning loss. Comparable to a solid CUSA opponent. As one who predicted a 6-0 start before the season started, you knew Troy and UTSA would be tough wins outside of UK in Lexington. We didn't deserve a win yesterday. Nick was off. His poor decisions had little to do with the new O coordinator. If you watched the game he was forcing it. He actually had 2 more interceptions dropped by Troy. He, and special teams, put our defense in tough short field positions last night. The fact that we still had a chance to win shows we can be a solid team if we learn and continue to gel with the new staff. That was Troys best team. Nothing stunning about last night.

(09-18-2016 09:03 AM)Nuggets Ghostbuster Wrote:  First, it's not a stunning loss. Comparable to a solid CUSA opponent.His poor decisions had little to do with the new O coordinator. If you watched the game he was forcing it. He actually had 2 more interceptions dropped by Troy.

I agree theres nothing stunning about the lose. However, mullens play has everything to do with the new OC. he coaches the QBs to force the ball. There is audio and video proof of this.

I think we are slowly finding out why kentucky fired him after only one year. I just hope Hop has enough sense to put the cuffs on Dawson. Not a fan myself.

I'm not ready to blame Dawson yet. Receivers bailed Nick out often last year. He's been too INT prone and this loss is on his play.

Ill add that the wrs did drop a lot of catchable balls. Including one in the endzone.

The play calling our last two series is unforgivable though.

Definitely deserved the loss.

But these are games we have got to win. Especially at home.

Could we please cut the BS about the video with Dawson telling QBs to force the ball into tight windows ? I guarantee you every QB coach in America has said that at some point. It's D-1 football, you have to make tough throws, guys aren't going to be wide open especially against good defenses. I heard Monken many times talk about the balance Nick had to have because one minute the coach is saying make tight throws and the next minute they are saying don't turn he ball over.

I am concerned about Dawson myself, but not because of one clip of him trying to get a QB to force the ball into a tight window, during spring practice at that. Has it ever occurred to you that a coach might want his QB to make mistakes in practice and learn which windows he can fit the ball into ?

Like I said, I'm also concerned about our OC. But not because of one video clip or play call. The general lack of execution in the passing game is what I'm concerned with.

(09-18-2016 12:34 PM)Eagle9 Wrote:  Could we please cut the BS about the video with Dawson telling QBs to force the ball into tight windows ? I guarantee you every QB coach in America has said that at some point. It's D-1 football, you have to make tough throws, guys aren't going to be wide open especially against good defenses. I heard Monken many times talk about the balance Nick had to have because one minute the coach is saying make tight throws and the next minute they are saying don't turn he ball over.

I am concerned about Dawson myself, but not because of one clip of him trying to get a QB to force the ball into a tight window, during spring practice at that. Has it ever occurred to you that a coach might want his QB to make mistakes in practice and learn which windows he can fit the ball into ?

Like I said, I'm also concerned about our OC. But not because of one video clip or play call. The general lack of execution in the passing game is what I'm concerned with.

you can call it BS all you want. but the proof is in the pudding. mullens is forcing the ball into spots he physically is not capable of doing. this isn't brett favre we are talking about. he doesn't have a rocket as an arm. he hasn't "forced the ball in a tight window" to this degree, prior to this OC showing up and coaching him to.

theres a difference between making a tough throw and throwing the ball to a WR that is clearly not open. if you think its appropriate to coach your QB to force throws to WRs that arent open at all, then good luck to you, your coach and your QB.

I agree that it is the execution of the passing game as a whole. It seems that the chemistry isn't what it should be. There is a lot of double clutching and throwing the ball late going on. Several times last night the receiver and QB were not on the same page. The timing is just not there like it was last year. That is probably coaching.
At the same time I give Hop a great big positive for a much improved defense. They kept us in the game despite the horrible showing of the offense.

We really have some posters on here that do not have a clue about coaching players, don't we?

(09-18-2016 02:50 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  We really have some posters on here that do not have a clue about coaching players, don't we?

Thank God we got you to set us straight.
So go ahead and just do it. We're waiting.

People like you set yourselves straight....

(09-18-2016 01:36 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(09-18-2016 12:34 PM)Eagle9 Wrote:  Could we please cut the BS about the video with Dawson telling QBs to force the ball into tight windows ? I guarantee you every QB coach in America has said that at some point. It's D-1 football, you have to make tough throws, guys aren't going to be wide open especially against good defenses. I heard Monken many times talk about the balance Nick had to have because one minute the coach is saying make tight throws and the next minute they are saying don't turn he ball over.

I am concerned about Dawson myself, but not because of one clip of him trying to get a QB to force the ball into a tight window, during spring practice at that. Has it ever occurred to you that a coach might want his QB to make mistakes in practice and learn which windows he can fit the ball into ?

Like I said, I'm also concerned about our OC. But not because of one video clip or play call. The general lack of execution in the passing game is what I'm concerned with.

you can call it BS all you want. but the proof is in the pudding. mullens is forcing the ball into spots he physically is not capable of doing. this isn't brett favre we are talking about. he doesn't have a rocket as an arm. he hasn't "forced the ball in a tight window" to this degree, prior to this OC showing up and coaching him to.

theres a difference between making a tough throw and throwing the ball to a WR that is clearly not open. if you think its appropriate to coach your QB to force throws to WRs that arent open at all, then good luck to you, your coach and your QB.

it's good to see other people are seeing what I am (not saying any of us are relevant narcissists)

however, it's a problem....I don't understand why he has started doing this in his senior year....other than coaching or he's thinking about the NoFunLeague....

he's reminding me of Jeff Kelly right now....and he's so much better than this....

somebody has to knock him in the head and tell him quit thinking and just play the dadgum game....

(09-18-2016 02:45 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  At the same time I give Hop a great big positive for a much improved defense. They kept us in the game despite the horrible showing of the offense.

I'm not quite as forgiving of the defense. They were put in some tough spots, sure, but giving up 37 points isn't anything to write home about. What really irks me is just how easily Troy scored a few of their TDs, with wide open receivers and guys going in virtually untouched.

There's plenty of blame to go around for this loss.

This can be a pretty darned good team, but it's got a lot left to fix before it is one.

(09-18-2016 06:36 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(09-18-2016 02:45 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  At the same time I give Hop a great big positive for a much improved defense. They kept us in the game despite the horrible showing of the offense.

I'm not quite as forgiving of the defense. They were put in some tough spots, sure, but giving up 37 points isn't anything to write home about. What really irks me is just how easily Troy scored a few of their TDs, with wide open receivers and guys going in virtually untouched.

There's plenty of blame to go around for this loss.

This can be a pretty darned good team, but it's got a lot left to fix before it is one.

the one thing about Troy that many are not acknowledging is they are recruiting the same folks we are....

also, the pressure of p5/g5/social internutz is another caveat that players now have to deal within their skull cap....

having said that, I agree with your posit....I'm certain many a finger has been pointed in the mirror today....

last night reminded me of too many bad memories and failed opportunities....

it's why the game is 'played' and we are only mere fans....

(09-18-2016 06:47 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  the one thing about Troy that many are not acknowledging is they are recruiting the same folks we are....

And that's a big reason why we have to win these games.

Back in USM's heyday, if a Southern kid couldn't get the attention of an SEC school, we or Florida State were kinda the default Plan B. Then every school with a big enough patch of ground for a practice field decided they were gonna play 1A football, and we had to steer those recruits away from Troy, UAB, the UL_s, the U_Fs, et al. A few years finishing 3rd in CUSA later, and our edge was lost. We're not going to get that edge back by losing to those schools on our own field.

Sorry to go off on a tangent.

(09-18-2016 07:03 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(09-18-2016 06:47 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  the one thing about Troy that many are not acknowledging is they are recruiting the same folks we are....

And that's a big reason why we have to win these games.

Back in USM's heyday, if a Southern kid couldn't get the attention of an SEC school, we or Florida State were kinda the default Plan B. Then every school with a big enough patch of ground for a practice field decided they were gonna play 1A football, and we had to steer those recruits away from Troy, UAB, the UL_s, the U_Fs, et al. A few years finishing 3rd in CUSA later, and our edge was lost. We're not going to get that edge back by losing to those schools on our own field.

Sorry to go off on a tangent.

....you nailed the point...

that was always our advantage in the past....

...and still can be if we can continue to improve facilities and win games....

last night was a disaster any way you look at it....it happens....

we will discover more next week visiting the outpost of el paso....that game just became 'critical' for this coaching staff...

(09-18-2016 06:36 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(09-18-2016 02:45 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  At the same time I give Hop a great big positive for a much improved defense. They kept us in the game despite the horrible showing of the offense.

I'm not quite as forgiving of the defense. They were put in some tough spots, sure, but giving up 37 points isn't anything to write home about. What really irks me is just how easily Troy scored a few of their TDs, with wide open receivers and guys going in virtually untouched.

There's plenty of blame to go around for this loss.

This can be a pretty darned good team, but it's got a lot left to fix before it is one.

Yes, BUT, 300yds doesn't generally get you 37 points.