No point in that, then. NDSU's current Summit/MVFC setup is better than that.

If they could get into FBS with that setup, then maybe.

NDSU a football only invite to the MWC with a deal like Hawaii. The travel issue for all sports would be a problem.

MVC, RMAC and some more that were around that area that were FBS or D1 conference would work.

(09-18-2016 04:07 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  No point in that, then. NDSU's current Summit/MVFC setup is better than that.

If they could get into FBS with that setup, then maybe.

That ship has probably sailed since the MVFC rejected a merger with the WAC. We could have very well had this:

Seattle*
Idaho
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
Denver*
New Mexico State
Missouri State
Wichita State*
Northern Iowa
Illinois State
Southern Illinois
Indiana State* (OVC football)

The MVC and Summit tie the knot and take the MVC name, pushing the league to 11 members. South Dakota needs a home for football, and follows North Dakota to the Big Sky, dropping the MVC to 10 members. WIU and YSU football affiliate with the OVC.

The Great West is down to 4 teams (NJIT, Utah Valley, Chicago State, UTPA). UTPA commits to adding football and joins the Southland. CSU Bakersfield joins the Great West. Grand Canyon remains in Division II.


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(09-18-2016 05:47 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(09-18-2016 04:07 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  No point in that, then. NDSU's current Summit/MVFC setup is better than that.

If they could get into FBS with that setup, then maybe.

That ship has probably sailed since the MVFC rejected a merger with the WAC. We could have very well had this:

Seattle*
Idaho
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
Denver*
New Mexico State
Missouri State
Wichita State*
Northern Iowa
Illinois State
Southern Illinois
Indiana State* (OVC football)

The MVC and Summit tie the knot and take the MVC name, pushing the league to 11 members. South Dakota needs a home for football, and follows North Dakota to the Big Sky, dropping the MVC to 10 members. WIU and YSU football affiliate with the OVC.

The Great West is down to 4 teams (NJIT, Utah Valley, Chicago State, UTPA). UTPA commits to adding football and joins the Southland. CSU Bakersfield joins the Great West. Grand Canyon remains in Division II.


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The WAC rejected an MVC takeover bid, not an MVFC bid. Idaho and Seattle would have been ejected, so they vetoed it. GCU, UTPA, Chicago St, and UVU were not yet WAC members.

UTRGV wants to be in the FBS if they add football.

Grand Canyon U. and Utah Valley thought about adding football.

Youngstown State wants FBS as well.

New Mexico State needs a travel partner as well. West Texas A&M used to conference mates with New Mexico State, Wichita State and other MVC schools in the past.

(09-18-2016 10:01 AM)NoQuestion Wrote:  

(09-17-2016 10:03 PM)MJG Wrote:  The eight flagship schools would be the core.
NDSU,NMSU ,Montana ,SDSU and possibly Webber St could give the conference pretty strong basketball.
Too many rules and moving parts but it could be a strong conference.

The University system in Montana is split in two subsystems. The University Of Montana system and The Montana State University system. So Montana has 2 flagships.

I am counting four Dakota two Montana and Idaho and NMSU IN eight flagship schools.

(09-17-2016 05:57 PM)Scoochpooch Wrote:  

(09-17-2016 03:09 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(09-17-2016 02:53 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  They might have the same way of thinking like Montana. Why go FBS when they can win championships at the FCS level. Just look at Idaho. They went from I-AA or FCS power to nothing. Like Idaho, both Montana and NDSU are in low and remote populated states so that might be the reason why they're not considering moving up.

But Boise has made it work which doesn't explain Idaho's lack of success.

Boise has consistently employed Pac-12 academic rejects. These nonqualifiers are why they will not succeed in a major conference like P12 or B12.

This is patently false. BSU consistently competes with PAC12 schools and other "P5" schools for recruits and gets a few of them. The MWC does not allow member schools to take non-qualifiers (or partial qualifiers, which is what you probably mean). When Petersen went to UDub, he took some BSU verbals with him. I doubt UW took on "nonqualifiers" who had committed to BSU.

NDSU's own president stated this summer that FBS is not in the cards for them.

This board should be educated enough to know that FCS success has very little to do with FBS move up decisions.

The Sun Belt recent move ups show this, as Coastal Carolina hasn't been that great at FCS. Ga Southern and Apps State were great at FCS decades ago, but when they chose to move up, the rest of FCS had caught as described surpassed them. Texas St struggled at the FCS level and they seem fine as an FBS school now.

(09-18-2016 11:51 PM)NoDak Wrote:  NDSU's own president stated this summer that FBS is not in the cards for them.

This board should be educated enough to know that FCS success has very little to do with FBS move up decisions.

The Sun Belt recent move ups show this, as Coastal Carolina hasn't been that great at FCS. Ga Southern and Apps State were great at FCS decades ago, but when they chose to move up, the rest of FCS had caught as described surpassed them. Texas St struggled at the FCS level and they seem fine as an FBS school now.

Northern Kentucky's President said that they were not moving up from D2, and the next thing you know, they got an invite to join D1, and they accepted. Saying one thing is different when you actually do the exact opposite.

And once again a thread is hijacked by delusions of grandeur by David and NoDak.

(09-19-2016 02:32 AM)utpotts Wrote:  And once again a thread is hijacked by delusions of grandeur by David and NoDak.

Is that any worse than N Ill going Big 12 and Toledo going AAC? Talk about delusional.

All I've said is that the WAC can still make FBS invites and wants to realign with the Big Sky. That talk gets me crucified here.

(09-18-2016 11:51 PM)NoDak Wrote:  NDSU's own president stated this summer that FBS is not in the cards for them.

This board should be educated enough to know that FCS success has very little to do with FBS move up decisions.

The Sun Belt recent move ups show this, as Coastal Carolina hasn't been that great at FCS. Ga Southern and Apps State were great at FCS decades ago, but when they chose to move up, the rest of FCS had caught as described surpassed them. Texas St struggled at the FCS level and they seem fine as an FBS school now.

coastal has been the best Big South football program and are very good in olympic sports.

UTSA,Charlotte and Georgia ST are better examples of schools moving up without accomplishing anything.
The fact App ST and Georgia Southern were added after them is more relevant .
The equivalent would be Seattle adding football and Portland ST just starting football and getting invites.
The turnstile count at the Georgia dome was five thousand year one for GSU.
From what I have read on the SBC board they have had only one or tow games above 15k attendance.Their true attendance is similar to what EMU used to show.
They haveabout a ninety percent subsidy and NDSU is around forty five percent I believe.It is really all about location .

The lack of G5 football programs in the north is simultaneously what prevents NDSU from moving up (no conference close by) and what allows them to succeed.

NDSU gets the best players in the Dakotas, Minnesota, and Wisconsin that don't go to P5 programs. Simple as that.

NDSU basically is the G5 of the north. Just doesn't play in FBS officially.


And those thinking the north must not have very good talent then, you might want to check how many former NDSU players are on NFL teams. It's not just Wentz ...

(09-19-2016 04:18 AM)MJG Wrote:  

(09-18-2016 11:51 PM)NoDak Wrote:  NDSU's own president stated this summer that FBS is not in the cards for them.

This board should be educated enough to know that FCS success has very little to do with FBS move up decisions.

The Sun Belt recent move ups show this, as Coastal Carolina hasn't been that great at FCS. Ga Southern and Apps State were great at FCS decades ago, but when they chose to move up, the rest of FCS had caught as described surpassed them. Texas St struggled at the FCS level and they seem fine as an FBS school now.

coastal has been the best Big South football program and are very good in olympic sports.

UTSA,Charlotte and Georgia ST are better examples of schools moving up without accomplishing anything.
The fact App ST and Georgia Southern were added after them is more relevant .
The equivalent would be Seattle adding football and Portland ST just starting football and getting invites.
The turnstile count at the Georgia dome was five thousand year one for GSU.
From what I have read on the SBC board they have had only one or tow games above 15k attendance.Their true attendance is similar to what EMU used to show.
They haveabout a ninety percent subsidy and NDSU is around forty five percent I believe.It is really all about location .

I have $1B in this paper bag.

See I can make up stuff too.

(09-19-2016 02:32 AM)utpotts Wrote:  And once again a thread is hijacked by delusions of grandeur by David and NoDak.

Better yet, on cue DavidSt was able to reference the RMAC and NoDak the mythical WAC/BSC FBS "done deal".

NDSU have no place to go and no reason to leave right now. That could change, but I don't see anything happening anytime soon. The only conference move NDSU could/would make right now would be with SDSU to the MVC for Olympic sports. That's a long shot and may only occur if WSU departs which makes the MVC less attractive.

(09-19-2016 03:23 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 02:32 AM)utpotts Wrote:  And once again a thread is hijacked by delusions of grandeur by David and NoDak.

Is that any worse than N Ill going Big 12 and Toledo going AAC? Talk about delusional.

All I've said is that the WAC can still make FBS invites and wants to realign with the Big Sky. That talk gets me crucified here.

What gets you crucified is that you make all this silence and inaction out to be part of the calculated plan to miraculously revive WAC football just as the WAC is on life support. Nothing has happened in 2016 that says a WAC FBS comeback is in the works. Azusa Pacific and Cal Baptist maybe looking at D1 is not going to persuade anyone.


North Dakota State seems content in the Summit. No need to leave.

NMSU is looking for a new home. Idaho will soon transition football back down to the FCS Big Sky. The Montana's want to stay put.

Why would Grand Canyon, CSUB and Seattle want to align with SUU, Northern Colorado or Weber State? There's nothing in common.

Let alone, why would SUU, NC or Weber want to disengage themselves from the Big Sky proper and align with those three?? Over their dead bodies.

The idea, if I am reading NoDak correctly, is that Weber, SUU and NC all remain in the Big Sky as FCS lifers and Seattle, Grand Canyon and CSUB will join them as part of the reshuffle. I don't see it.

With Montana's, Idaho, E Wash, and Port St voluntarily leaving the Big Sky so they can join the WAC and move to FBS, right?

I'll eat one of NoDak's socks if that happens. An old, smelly one.

Something like that.