Possible trouble for UNCW and hosting tournaments this season and going forward. I have read the bill and really have to wonder why? It has cost the state of NC a ton of cash and now it has dipped into college basketball-not gonna end well for Gov.Pat is what I think.
I think the CAA baseball tournament is here this year and it would be a real blow to this team if they move it.

(09-15-2016 03:56 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Possible trouble for UNCW and hosting tournaments this season and going forward. I have read the bill and really have to wonder why? It has cost the state of NC a ton of cash and now it has dipped into college basketball-not gonna end well for Gov.Pat is what I think.
I think the CAA baseball tournament is here this year and it would be a real blow to this team if they move it.

If Cooper gets elected, it will likely get re-structured before that point.

The baseball tournament moves to jmu in 2018 anyway. Not sure where it goes after that.

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Liberal university presidents are attempting to affect the state and national elections. It's that simple. When you have state employees, chancellors at UNC and NC State voting to move ACC championships out of North Carolina, the taxpayers who pay their huge salaries should demand they be fired. I will be contacting every connection I have, and employing every strategy I know of to find a way to remove these people from their positions.

Furthermore. Unless the ACC and NCAA are ready to eliminate the distinction of Men's and Women's athletic teams, they need to STFU because they have no standing on this issue if they don't. These foolish university leaders are about to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. If they want to start taking moral stands, and punishing those with whom they disagree, they open up universities for scrutiny on a variety of "moral" issues.

Let's start with the NCAA and their multi-billions in revenue who pay students slave wages to bring in this income. Then we can move to coaches of womens teams who are paid a fraction of what men's coaches are paid. If they want to play this game, I say burn the house down.

It would be one thing if the majority of the tax payers agreed to this bill but most of us do not, especially when you read past the bathroom part. This bill is actually appalling. Here are some figures on who supports this and those that don't http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/...ians.html.

Not to mention it was passed on tax payer money in an "emergency session", behind closed doors- notice to the public for their opinion or vote-which was unnecessary and the legislature was given less than thirty minutes to review it before voting.

I agree with the statement given by Senator Rick Gunn ®: "I'm opposed to giving men access to girls' locker rooms and bathrooms, but i also am concerned about the impact HB 2 is having in our state and the triad - especially NCAA and Atlantic Coast Conference athletic championship events - and I think it is time we give serious consideration to modifying, or possibly repealing, HB 2. It is time for the federal courts to protect women and girls' privacy and strike down President Obama's bathroom sharing Mandate"

And if someone could provide proof of the necessity of this bill, that would be great? Hadn't heard anyone upset, or any cases of Trans people using the womens restroom to assault or harm anyone. And even with this bill there is no enforcement policy, and you can't legally check a birth certificate before someone uses the restroom, so once again was this bill really about bathroom rights or is that just what they want you to think?

(09-16-2016 07:23 AM)Seahawkfan716 Wrote:  It would be one thing if the majority of the tax payers agreed to this bill but most of us do not, especially when you read past the bathroom part. This bill is actually appalling. Here are some figures on who supports this and those that don't http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/...ians.html.

Not to mention it was passed on tax payer money in an "emergency session", behind closed doors- notice to the public for their opinion or vote-which was unnecessary and the legislature was given less than thirty minutes to review it before voting.

I agree with the statement given by Senator Rick Gunn ®: "I'm opposed to giving men access to girls' locker rooms and bathrooms, but i also am concerned about the impact HB 2 is having in our state and the triad - especially NCAA and Atlantic Coast Conference athletic championship events - and I think it is time we give serious consideration to modifying, or possibly repealing, HB 2. It is time for the federal courts to protect women and girls' privacy and strike down President Obama's bathroom sharing Mandate"

And if someone could provide proof of the necessity of this bill, that would be great? Hadn't heard anyone upset, or any cases of Trans people using the womens restroom to assault or harm anyone. And even with this bill there is no enforcement policy, and you can't legally check a birth certificate before someone uses the restroom, so once again was this bill really about bathroom rights or is that just what they want you to think?

It just seems like such a waste of time. If they wanted to piss people off and get them to react irrationally it looks like they got the job done with this. I don't see it going away and it hurts the fans of these sports while these idiots play the blame game.
Would not be surprised to see the CAA pull all events from NC at any time.

(09-16-2016 07:23 AM)Seahawkfan716 Wrote:  It would be one thing if the majority of the tax payers agreed to this bill but most of us do not, especially when you read past the bathroom part. This bill is actually appalling. Here are some figures on who supports this and those that don't http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/...ians.html.

Not to mention it was passed on tax payer money in an "emergency session", behind closed doors- notice to the public for their opinion or vote-which was unnecessary and the legislature was given less than thirty minutes to review it before voting.

I agree with the statement given by Senator Rick Gunn ®: "I'm opposed to giving men access to girls' locker rooms and bathrooms, but i also am concerned about the impact HB 2 is having in our state and the triad - especially NCAA and Atlantic Coast Conference athletic championship events - and I think it is time we give serious consideration to modifying, or possibly repealing, HB 2. It is time for the federal courts to protect women and girls' privacy and strike down President Obama's bathroom sharing Mandate"

And if someone could provide proof of the necessity of this bill, that would be great? Hadn't heard anyone upset, or any cases of Trans people using the womens restroom to assault or harm anyone. And even with this bill there is no enforcement policy, and you can't legally check a birth certificate before someone uses the restroom, so once again was this bill really about bathroom rights or is that just what they want you to think?

First, it is the job of elected representatives to make these decisions and pass laws. If the citizens don't agree with the actions of the representatives they have a vote and can remove them.

Second, the law was passed to reign in municipalities who were taking actions beyond the scope of their authority. The ordinances passed in Charlotte included provisions that would require every entity, whether business or governmental, to comply with their rules or lose business with the city of Charlotte. The law was a reaction to this overreach by the city of Charlotte.

Bottom line. This was a naked political move plain and simple. If we could see behind the curtains, I have no doubt the NCAA was contacted by Democrats and Roy Copper in the state to make their move first. Thereby providing cover...or so they thought...to the ACC doing the same. Thought process being that this could turn the tide on Trump, McCrory and the legislators in one move.

(09-16-2016 11:02 AM)82hawk Wrote:  First, it is the job of elected representatives to make these decisions and pass laws. If the citizens don't agree with the actions of the representatives they have a vote and can remove them.

Second, the law was passed to reign in municipalities who were taking actions beyond the scope of their authority. The ordinances passed in Charlotte included provisions that would require every entity, whether business or governmental, to comply with their rules or lose business with the city of Charlotte. The law was a reaction to this overreach by the city of Charlotte.

Bottom line. This was a naked political move plain and simple. If we could see behind the curtains, I have no doubt the NCAA was contacted by Democrats and Roy Copper in the state to make their move first. Thereby providing cover...or so they thought...to the ACC doing the same. Thought process being that this could turn the tide on Trump, McCrory and the legislators in one move.

I understand the role of elected officials, I simply have a problem with elected officials taking action over something that wasn't wanted by the people. I understand the city of Charlotte caused this mess, however instead of taking careful thought out measures those in Raleigh decided to have a head jerk reaction that is causing more problems than that in Charlotte. Hundreds of million of dollars in business alone (not including NCAA or ACC events) have left the economy, setting us back and our image that was attracting these businesses has also been tainted.

The NCAA threatened to take action just like the NBA and McCory thought it was a political stunt, he called their bluff the only problem is that it wasn't a bluff. The NCAA has shown in the past it is willing to do this, so i'm not sure why everyone (meaning those in Raleigh) thought it was a bluff. The law needs changed ASAP. ALL of it, not just the bathroom part.

(09-16-2016 11:35 AM)Seahawkfan716 Wrote:  

(09-16-2016 11:02 AM)82hawk Wrote:  First, it is the job of elected representatives to make these decisions and pass laws. If the citizens don't agree with the actions of the representatives they have a vote and can remove them.

Second, the law was passed to reign in municipalities who were taking actions beyond the scope of their authority. The ordinances passed in Charlotte included provisions that would require every entity, whether business or governmental, to comply with their rules or lose business with the city of Charlotte. The law was a reaction to this overreach by the city of Charlotte.

Bottom line. This was a naked political move plain and simple. If we could see behind the curtains, I have no doubt the NCAA was contacted by Democrats and Roy Copper in the state to make their move first. Thereby providing cover...or so they thought...to the ACC doing the same. Thought process being that this could turn the tide on Trump, McCrory and the legislators in one move.

I understand the role of elected officials, I simply have a problem with elected officials taking action over something that wasn't wanted by the people. I understand the city of Charlotte caused this mess, however instead of taking careful thought out measures those in Raleigh decided to have a head jerk reaction that is causing more problems than that in Charlotte. Hundreds of million of dollars in business alone (not including NCAA or ACC events) have left the economy, setting us back and our image that was attracting these businesses has also been tainted.

The NCAA threatened to take action just like the NBA and McCory thought it was a political stunt, he called their bluff the only problem is that it wasn't a bluff. The NCAA has shown in the past it is willing to do this, so i'm not sure why everyone (meaning those in Raleigh) thought it was a bluff. The law needs changed ASAP. ALL of it, not just the bathroom part.

I know McCrory and have for a long time,he was a sellout then and he is the same now. I really don't remember why nobody liked him then but I can see why now. All politics aside, if he is reelected this deal will be the same for at least the next 6 years. I don't care to go that long with no big events taking place in the NC sports world.

I'm from Charlotte and tend to agree that there wasn't a problem before and quite honestly wouldn't have been a problem afterwards had the state left Charlotte's ordinance alone. It was really nothing more than a symbolic gesture in my opinion.

Either way it caused an incredible knee jerk reaction from Raleigh that overreached beyond what it needed to. I don't really give a damn about bathrooms but I do give a damn about the business and events we have lost because of it. Even if it is their job to make decisions like this you could have spent some time vetting it in the private sector and across the general NC population before signing this bill.

I will not be voting for Mccory after this. I did last time. However, I don't think he intended to gain any Charlotte votes from this move so he probably doesn't care.

Having been the victim of a child predator, I understand the concern about the window that Charlotte possibly opened for child/sexual predators to take advantage of. So, personally, my problem is not with transgenders, but predators. But what was also added to HB2 is disgusting, and it needs to be struck down.
As far as the CAA baseball tournament. I was told that since it takes place on campus, they will not mess with it.

I don't care to debate the bill itself but it was incredibly naive to think it would not be a pile of crap for the people of NC. Now we have stepped in it and it is a true mess.