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(11-09-2016 07:56 AM)army56mike Wrote:  Pretty sure El Presidente Elect Trump's first act in office will be to move Liberty up to FBS and make a push for them to join the ACC in gratitude for Jerry Jr.'s support. Don't doubt it for a second.

Ok I'll bite but I'm thinking this will turn into a DavidSt style tin foil hat type convo. So how would that happen and why would the POTUS give a crap about a school going FBS.
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(11-09-2016 07:56 AM)army56mike Wrote:  Pretty sure El Presidente Elect Trump's first act in office will be to move Liberty up to FBS and make a push for them to join the ACC in gratitude for Jerry Jr.'s support. Don't doubt it for a second.

While it would be great to join the ACC, I'd rather join the Big Ten first (best academics, exposure, and Liberty would have a geographic advantage in recruiting by being the southernmost school) or the SEC second. The ACC would be overcrowded with Virginia schools and private schools. The SEC may be best for Liberty's alumni, especially for the online portion. In my mind, you can't go wrong with any of the P5 conferences.

Now I didn't expect Trump to be elected President, and I didn't vote for him or Clinton. Falwell, Jr. has been very vocal and supportive of Trump, especially at a time when others were jumping ship. Maybe Trump will throw some sort of thank you back to Jerry that benefits Liberty, may not. If Trump were to do something to benefit Liberty like remove the conference invitation to move from FCS to FBS (a long shot for sure), could Liberty be punished as a byproduct, saying that Jerry wasn't just advocating for Trump on his own behalf and that he did it to benefit Liberty and thus lose Liberty's non-profit status? It could be a slippery slope but hopefully something good comes out of it for Liberty.
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It's fun to do "what ifs" with the election decided and how it will effect the sports program of LU. And current reality is that LU cannot receive an invite from the entry level SBC, or C-USA or MAC FBS conferences. And ACC and SEC talk seems more than a pipe dream. It's more like an alternative universe. And it makes for entertaining talk as game day approaches with LU trying to win an autobid in the FCS Big South Conference.
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Since I didn't see the LU mention in the First 100 days talk going around, it must have been pushed back to day 101. : )
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(09-15-2016 09:15 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(09-15-2016 08:48 AM)army56mike Wrote:  With the recent action that the NCAA has taken against the state of North Carolina, is there any doubt that it will do all it can to keep Liberty out of FBS and stand in the way of success when possible based on the schools conservative Christian values?

Or am I way off base?

I think you're cray cray. We just need a invite. If we get one and then the NCAA steps in and says nope you can't move up because you are a Christian school then you'd be on to something.


That won't happen, because you would have the biggest lawsuit ever.

As far as invites go, JMU had the invite; however, they were dragging their feet at the time, so they lost it to Coastal Carolina (you guys didn't have the necessary facilities at the time).

Also, I don't think the NCAA is anti sectarian/non-secular; they just don't support state governments enacting anti LBGT laws, when the trend, federally, is protecting their rights.
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(12-02-2016 06:27 AM)acc4life Wrote:  
(09-15-2016 09:15 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(09-15-2016 08:48 AM)army56mike Wrote:  With the recent action that the NCAA has taken against the state of North Carolina, is there any doubt that it will do all it can to keep Liberty out of FBS and stand in the way of success when possible based on the schools conservative Christian values?

Or am I way off base?

I think you're cray cray. We just need a invite. If we get one and then the NCAA steps in and says nope you can't move up because you are a Christian school then you'd be on to something.


That won't happen, because you would have the biggest lawsuit ever.

As far as invites go, JMU had the invite; however, they were dragging their feet at the time, so they lost it to Coastal Carolina (you guys didn't have the necessary facilities at the time).

Also, I don't think the NCAA is anti sectarian/non-secular; they just don't support state governments enacting anti LBGT laws, when the trend, federally, is protecting their rights.

That is not true. Our facilities are among the best in FCS, if not the best including better than Coastal Carolina. We were not passed over due to facilities unless (and more likely) we had too many good facilities and the Sun Belt was afraid of us outspending everyone else.
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(12-02-2016 06:43 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 06:27 AM)acc4life Wrote:  
(09-15-2016 09:15 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(09-15-2016 08:48 AM)army56mike Wrote:  With the recent action that the NCAA has taken against the state of North Carolina, is there any doubt that it will do all it can to keep Liberty out of FBS and stand in the way of success when possible based on the schools conservative Christian values?

Or am I way off base?

I think you're cray cray. We just need a invite. If we get one and then the NCAA steps in and says nope you can't move up because you are a Christian school then you'd be on to something.


That won't happen, because you would have the biggest lawsuit ever.

As far as invites go, JMU had the invite; however, they were dragging their feet at the time, so they lost it to Coastal Carolina (you guys didn't have the necessary facilities at the time).

Also, I don't think the NCAA is anti sectarian/non-secular; they just don't support state governments enacting anti LBGT laws, when the trend, federally, is protecting their rights.

That is not true. Our facilities are among the best in FCS, if not the best including better than Coastal Carolina. We were not passed over due to facilities unless (and more likely) we had too many good facilities and the Sun Belt was afraid of us outspending everyone else.


I'm talking about FBS level facilities.

I read several articles, which stated that your football stadium and facilities didn't meet FBS requirements at the time and JMU's did; in fact, JMU is the only FCS stadium that currently meets FBS standards (all they have to do is add a second level to their "visitor side," thereby adding the 5,000+ seats to meet the FBS 30,000 seat stadium requirement). You're stadium doesn't even hold 20,000, so tell me again how your facilities meet FBS standards; additionally, if you guys really believe there is an anti sectarian vendetta being waged by the NCAA, go have a chat with Baylor, TCU and SMU.
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(12-02-2016 07:14 AM)acc4life Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 06:43 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 06:27 AM)acc4life Wrote:  
(09-15-2016 09:15 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(09-15-2016 08:48 AM)army56mike Wrote:  With the recent action that the NCAA has taken against the state of North Carolina, is there any doubt that it will do all it can to keep Liberty out of FBS and stand in the way of success when possible based on the schools conservative Christian values?

Or am I way off base?

I think you're cray cray. We just need a invite. If we get one and then the NCAA steps in and says nope you can't move up because you are a Christian school then you'd be on to something.


That won't happen, because you would have the biggest lawsuit ever.

As far as invites go, JMU had the invite; however, they were dragging their feet at the time, so they lost it to Coastal Carolina (you guys didn't have the necessary facilities at the time).

Also, I don't think the NCAA is anti sectarian/non-secular; they just don't support state governments enacting anti LBGT laws, when the trend, federally, is protecting their rights.

That is not true. Our facilities are among the best in FCS, if not the best including better than Coastal Carolina. We were not passed over due to facilities unless (and more likely) we had too many good facilities and the Sun Belt was afraid of us outspending everyone else.


I'm talking about FBS level facilities.

I read several articles which stated that your football stadium and facilities didn't meet FBS requirements at the time and JMU's did; in fact, JMU is the only FCS stadium that currently meets FBS standards (all they have to do is add a second level to their "visitor side," thereby adding the 5,000+ seats to meet the FBS 30,000 seat requirement). You're stadium doesn't even hold 20,000, so tell me again how your facilities meet FBS standards; if you guys want to believe there is an anti sectarian vendetta being waged by the NCAA, go have a chat with Baylor, TCU and SMU.


Isn't the seating requirement like 15k? I could be wrong but the rules from ancient times after the FBS/FCS split were 30k which hasn't applied in sometime.


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(12-02-2016 07:26 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 07:14 AM)acc4life Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 06:43 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 06:27 AM)acc4life Wrote:  
(09-15-2016 09:15 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  I think you're cray cray. We just need a invite. If we get one and then the NCAA steps in and says nope you can't move up because you are a Christian school then you'd be on to something.


That won't happen, because you would have the biggest lawsuit ever.

As far as invites go, JMU had the invite; however, they were dragging their feet at the time, so they lost it to Coastal Carolina (you guys didn't have the necessary facilities at the time).

Also, I don't think the NCAA is anti sectarian/non-secular; they just don't support state governments enacting anti LBGT laws, when the trend, federally, is protecting their rights.

That is not true. Our facilities are among the best in FCS, if not the best including better than Coastal Carolina. We were not passed over due to facilities unless (and more likely) we had too many good facilities and the Sun Belt was afraid of us outspending everyone else.


I'm talking about FBS level facilities.

I read several articles which stated that your football stadium and facilities didn't meet FBS requirements at the time and JMU's did; in fact, JMU is the only FCS stadium that currently meets FBS standards (all they have to do is add a second level to their "visitor side," thereby adding the 5,000+ seats to meet the FBS 30,000 seat requirement). You're stadium doesn't even hold 20,000, so tell me again how your facilities meet FBS standards; if you guys want to believe there is an anti sectarian vendetta being waged by the NCAA, go have a chat with Baylor, TCU and SMU.


Isn't the seating requirement like 15k? I could be wrong but the rules from ancient times after the FBS/FCS split were 30k which hasn't applied in sometime.


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The 15k requirement is for average yearly attendance (which has to be met once every two years). I figure the 30k thing was an old BCS/AQ conference thing, because all the BCS conferences were over 30k and the AAC (old Big East) still has that requirement. I guess if you're satisfied being in the CUSA, you can have a 15k person stadium like FIU and FAU. BTW, the reason JMU passed on the Sun Belt, was because they wanted to be in a better conference.
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(12-02-2016 07:44 AM)acc4life Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 07:26 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 07:14 AM)acc4life Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 06:43 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 06:27 AM)acc4life Wrote:  That won't happen, because you would have the biggest lawsuit ever.

As far as invites go, JMU had the invite; however, they were dragging their feet at the time, so they lost it to Coastal Carolina (you guys didn't have the necessary facilities at the time).

Also, I don't think the NCAA is anti sectarian/non-secular; they just don't support state governments enacting anti LBGT laws, when the trend, federally, is protecting their rights.

That is not true. Our facilities are among the best in FCS, if not the best including better than Coastal Carolina. We were not passed over due to facilities unless (and more likely) we had too many good facilities and the Sun Belt was afraid of us outspending everyone else.


I'm talking about FBS level facilities.

I read several articles which stated that your football stadium and facilities didn't meet FBS requirements at the time and JMU's did; in fact, JMU is the only FCS stadium that currently meets FBS standards (all they have to do is add a second level to their "visitor side," thereby adding the 5,000+ seats to meet the FBS 30,000 seat requirement). You're stadium doesn't even hold 20,000, so tell me again how your facilities meet FBS standards; if you guys want to believe there is an anti sectarian vendetta being waged by the NCAA, go have a chat with Baylor, TCU and SMU.


Isn't the seating requirement like 15k? I could be wrong but the rules from ancient times after the FBS/FCS split were 30k which hasn't applied in sometime.


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The 15k requirement is for average yearly attendance (which has to be met once every two years). I figure the 30k thing was an old BCS/AQ conference thing, because all the BCS conferences were over 30k and the AAC (old Big East) still has that requirement. I guess if you're satisfied being in the CUSA, you can have a 15k person stadium like FIU and FAU. BTW, the reason JMU passed on the Sun Belt, was because they wanted to be in a better conference.

At this point I'm not picky who invites us.
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(12-02-2016 07:44 AM)acc4life Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 07:26 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 07:14 AM)acc4life Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 06:43 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 06:27 AM)acc4life Wrote:  That won't happen, because you would have the biggest lawsuit ever.

As far as invites go, JMU had the invite; however, they were dragging their feet at the time, so they lost it to Coastal Carolina (you guys didn't have the necessary facilities at the time).

Also, I don't think the NCAA is anti sectarian/non-secular; they just don't support state governments enacting anti LBGT laws, when the trend, federally, is protecting their rights.

That is not true. Our facilities are among the best in FCS, if not the best including better than Coastal Carolina. We were not passed over due to facilities unless (and more likely) we had too many good facilities and the Sun Belt was afraid of us outspending everyone else.


I'm talking about FBS level facilities.

I read several articles which stated that your football stadium and facilities didn't meet FBS requirements at the time and JMU's did; in fact, JMU is the only FCS stadium that currently meets FBS standards (all they have to do is add a second level to their "visitor side," thereby adding the 5,000+ seats to meet the FBS 30,000 seat requirement). You're stadium doesn't even hold 20,000, so tell me again how your facilities meet FBS standards; if you guys want to believe there is an anti sectarian vendetta being waged by the NCAA, go have a chat with Baylor, TCU and SMU.


Isn't the seating requirement like 15k? I could be wrong but the rules from ancient times after the FBS/FCS split were 30k which hasn't applied in sometime.


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The 15k requirement is for average yearly attendance (which has to be met once every two years). I figure the 30k thing was an old BCS/AQ conference thing, because all the BCS conferences were over 30k and the AAC (old Big East) still has that requirement. I guess if you're satisfied being in the CUSA, you can have a 15k person stadium like FIU and FAU. BTW, the reason JMU passed on the Sun Belt, was because they wanted to be in a better conference.

Coastal Carolina has half the capacity as Liberty for football. Their stadium is under 10,000 but plans to expand to 25,000 or so if I remember correctly. Liberty is just waiting for an invite to start their upgrade as well. The stadium has plans to upgrade in phases with an ultimate goal of 60,000 or so.

I don't think any FCS school recently upgraded had a capacity of 30,000 when invited with Georgia State as an exception (Georgia Dome).
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(12-02-2016 07:02 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 07:44 AM)acc4life Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 07:26 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 07:14 AM)acc4life Wrote:  
(12-02-2016 06:43 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  That is not true. Our facilities are among the best in FCS, if not the best including better than Coastal Carolina. We were not passed over due to facilities unless (and more likely) we had too many good facilities and the Sun Belt was afraid of us outspending everyone else.


I'm talking about FBS level facilities.

I read several articles which stated that your football stadium and facilities didn't meet FBS requirements at the time and JMU's did; in fact, JMU is the only FCS stadium that currently meets FBS standards (all they have to do is add a second level to their "visitor side," thereby adding the 5,000+ seats to meet the FBS 30,000 seat requirement). You're stadium doesn't even hold 20,000, so tell me again how your facilities meet FBS standards; if you guys want to believe there is an anti sectarian vendetta being waged by the NCAA, go have a chat with Baylor, TCU and SMU.


Isn't the seating requirement like 15k? I could be wrong but the rules from ancient times after the FBS/FCS split were 30k which hasn't applied in sometime.


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The 15k requirement is for average yearly attendance (which has to be met once every two years). I figure the 30k thing was an old BCS/AQ conference thing, because all the BCS conferences were over 30k and the AAC (old Big East) still has that requirement. I guess if you're satisfied being in the CUSA, you can have a 15k person stadium like FIU and FAU. BTW, the reason JMU passed on the Sun Belt, was because they wanted to be in a better conference.

Coastal Carolina has half the capacity as Liberty for football. Their stadium is under 10,000 but plans to expand to 25,000 or so if I remember correctly. Liberty is just waiting for an invite to start their upgrade as well. The stadium has plans to upgrade in phases with an ultimate goal of 60,000 or so.

I don't think any FCS school recently upgraded had a capacity of 30,000 when invited with Georgia State as an exception (Georgia Dome).

CCU is looking at about 21k after expansion
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Liberty needs to be in the AAC. That is not an option. But that is the conference with most similar teams.
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(12-03-2016 06:12 AM)army56mike Wrote:  Liberty needs to be in the AAC. That is not an option. But that is the conference with most similar teams.

I like the AAC. They are clearly the strongest G5 in football while having respectable basketball. If we weren't in a P5 conference, I'd like to be in the AAC or a football independent with our other sports in the Big East (or A10 if we couldn't get into the Big East). Obviously clear long shots at this point but something to shoot for.
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Playing sports in the Big East would be awesome. Did the Big East keep the right to re-establish football like the WAC did?
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(12-04-2016 09:03 AM)army56mike Wrote:  Playing sports in the Big East would be awesome. Did the Big East keep the right to re-establish football like the WAC did?


Short answer no. Slightly longer answer is the current Big East is actually only a few years old with zero to no ties to the old Big East but in name only. The real Big East is a conference called the AAC....you may of heard of it 03-razz


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