(09-12-2016 08:55 PM)Penny Lane Wrote: KJ got 59 of his 88 points in 4 games vs Grambling, Southern, IUPIU And Tulane.
Has potential. Just can't jack up bad shots like he did last year. 36% FG. And he has to be healthy.
He's got a motor. Markel's got a motor. We need somebody besides Dedric who can make things happen, and I guess it's about time to see how much difference coaching makes. Watch those two to find out, 'cause they were out of control a lot last year when they were on the court.
From a couple of games into February to end of season Dedric showed dramatic improvement. Look at the numbers. Plus the game slowed down for him. Both were out of control through January basically; of course, KJ only played 10 games. Think he was stunned at how good the college game was and lost his confidence.
We've got different reads on KJ. I think he may be over-confident. Regardless, people are going to be surprised at what this team looks like -- not because of what's there, but more because of what isn't. A bunch of the problems we've grown used to seeing on and off the court, I suspect, will be strangely absent this year.
I think KJ will be very good. He was a bit anxious and didn't have a defined role.
I'm sure Tubby will ensure that KJ knows what he is expected to do. That will be good for both KJ and the team.
What's even more significant is our ranking. I've just used Saluki's metrics (find the rank and check out what the five above and five below last year did) and found that, since we're ranked # 91, every statistical guideline indicates we're going 19-14 this season. I guess that means we lose in the conference quarterfinals and no post season again. Too bad.
Big question - if we go 19-14 under Tubby, how does that feel versus the 19-15 we went under CJP last year? My gut is optimism (for Tubby) vs. pessimism (for CJP).
Big problem facing the Tigers in that scenario is the 17-18 season as there is a good to great chance that Dedric goes pro and and one would have to assume senior to be Christian Kessee is being brought in for this one season to shoulder some of the scoring load, then he is gone. WE NEED TO LOCK DOWN AND SIGN COME RECRUITS IN THE EARLY SIGNING PERIOD.
I agree with all of that. 17-18 recruiting is key. Some say they're using this as a throw-away. Problem was that Pastner had already thrown it away. Don't be distracted. Let them play this year and get a full year of recruiting, then we'll judge.
Knew it was coming just wanted to see who was gong to be the one who started it? Already making excuses for the up coming season and attempting to pass the blame. Was no where near a throw away season until Orlando and crew took over. Orlando lost a 4 star point guard.
(09-13-2016 01:39 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote: We've got different reads on KJ. I think he may be over-confident. Regardless, people are going to be surprised at what this team looks like -- not because of what's there, but more because of what isn't. A bunch of the problems we've grown used to seeing on and off the court, I suspect, will be strangely absent this year.
I think KJ will be very good. He was a bit anxious and didn't have a defined role.
I'm sure Tubby will ensure that KJ knows what he is expected to do. That will be good for both KJ and the team.
Yep, I think you can look back at Antonio Barton and see the same scenario -- except for the coaching part.
What's even more significant is our ranking. I've just used Saluki's metrics (find the rank and check out what the five above and five below last year did) and found that, since we're ranked # 91, every statistical guideline indicates we're going 19-14 this season. I guess that means we lose in the conference quarterfinals and no post season again. Too bad.
Big question - if we go 19-14 under Tubby, how does that feel versus the 19-15 we went under CJP last year? My gut is optimism (for Tubby) vs. pessimism (for CJP).
Big problem facing the Tigers in that scenario is the 17-18 season as there is a good to great chance that Dedric goes pro and and one would have to assume senior to be Christian Kessee is being brought in for this one season to shoulder some of the scoring load, then he is gone. WE NEED TO LOCK DOWN AND SIGN COME RECRUITS IN THE EARLY SIGNING PERIOD.
I agree with all of that. 17-18 recruiting is key. Some say they're using this as a throw-away. Problem was that Pastner had already thrown it away. Don't be distracted. Let them play this year and get a full year of recruiting, then we'll judge.
Knew it was coming just wanted to see who was gong to be the one who started it? Already making excuses for the up coming season and attempting to pass the blame. Was no where near a throw away season until Orlando and crew took over. Orlando lost a 4 star point guard.
Still clueless when it comes to the basketball program. So how would the team be better with your boy Josh at the helm? It would be worse and most of us know it. So the year is not a throw away. It will be better than it would have been. But the damage was already done.
Tell us more about that bad timing on that pass from Paxton's first college start against Duke.
Georgia Tech: brought in three 3*
Vandy: brought in 4* and 3* (two 3* committed for 2017)
UNLV: brought in 4* and 3*
WKU: top 5 recruiting class for 2017
TTech: (only two scholarships open) retained a verbal commit, brought in a 3*
Memphis: coach brought one TT signee, got a grad transfer, got a 0 star, and has four scholarships open. NO commits for 2017 yet. Oh, yeah, and he couldn't keep Charlie Moore who ended up signing with Cuonzo at California.
So I point out that our recruiting this year is better than the norm for coaches in their 1st year at a new school.
You don't like it and indicate that it's false.
I provide you with a link to show recruiting rankings where it's obvious that - as poor as our class is this year - it's actually better than the norm for coaches in their 1st year at a new school.
You try to refute this by showing 5 schools was some anecdotal info.
Laughable.
You left out at least 20 other schools who changed coaches. That sort of calibrates the mean.
Of the 5 schools you cherry pick, our class is better than 2 of those.
If we're going by facts, you've got the inside track on worst post of 2016.
But, hey, if we're sticking with the agenda script regardless of facts, you're solid.
Georgia Tech: brought in three 3*
Vandy: brought in 4* and 3* (two 3* committed for 2017)
UNLV: brought in 4* and 3*
WKU: top 5 recruiting class for 2017
TTech: (only two scholarships open) retained a verbal commit, brought in a 3*
Memphis: coach brought one TT signee, got a grad transfer, got a 0 star, and has four scholarships open. NO commits for 2017 yet. Oh, yeah, and he couldn't keep Charlie Moore who ended up signing with Cuonzo at California.
So I point out that our recruiting this year is better than the norm for coaches in their 1st year at a new school.
You don't like it and indicate that it's false.
I provide you with a link to show recruiting rankings where it's obvious that - as poor as our class is this year - it's actually better than the norm for coaches in their 1st year at a new school.
You try to refute this by showing 5 schools was some anecdotal info.
Laughable.
You left out at least 20 other schools who changed coaches. That sort of calibrates the mean.
Of the 5 schools you cherry pick, our class is better than 2 of those.
If we're going by facts, you've got the inside track on worst post of 2016.
But, hey, if we're sticking with the agenda script regardless of facts, you're solid.
(09-12-2016 09:23 AM)salukiblue Wrote: First, that isn't up do date, but whatever.
Georgia Tech: brought in three 3*
Vandy: brought in 4* and 3* (two 3* committed for 2017)
UNLV: brought in 4* and 3*
WKU: top 5 recruiting class for 2017
TTech: (only two scholarships open) retained a verbal commit, brought in a 3*
Memphis: coach brought one TT signee, got a grad transfer, got a 0 star, and has four scholarships open. NO commits for 2017 yet. Oh, yeah, and he couldn't keep Charlie Moore who ended up signing with Cuonzo at California.
So I point out that our recruiting this year is better than the norm for coaches in their 1st year at a new school.
You don't like it and indicate that it's false.
I provide you with a link to show recruiting rankings where it's obvious that - as poor as our class is this year - it's actually better than the norm for coaches in their 1st year at a new school.
You try to refute this by showing 5 schools was some anecdotal info.
Laughable.
You left out at least 20 other schools who changed coaches. That sort of calibrates the mean.
Of the 5 schools you cherry pick, our class is better than 2 of those.
If we're going by facts, you've got the inside track on worst post of 2016.
But, hey, if we're sticking with the agenda script regardless of facts, you're solid.
Nothing you just wrote is accurate.
good grief
5 star retort, chief.
Nah. Just a 1-star retort. I'll save the 5-stars for serious debaters - and not waste on trolls.
(09-12-2016 10:24 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: So I point out that our recruiting this year is better than the norm for coaches in their 1st year at a new school.
You don't like it and indicate that it's false.
I provide you with a link to show recruiting rankings where it's obvious that - as poor as our class is this year - it's actually better than the norm for coaches in their 1st year at a new school.
You try to refute this by showing 5 schools was some anecdotal info.
Laughable.
You left out at least 20 other schools who changed coaches. That sort of calibrates the mean.
Of the 5 schools you cherry pick, our class is better than 2 of those.
If we're going by facts, you've got the inside track on worst post of 2016.
But, hey, if we're sticking with the agenda script regardless of facts, you're solid.
Nothing you just wrote is accurate.
good grief
5 star retort, chief.
Nah. Just a 1-star retort. I'll save the 5-stars for serious debaters - and not waste on trolls.
(09-10-2016 01:47 PM)salukiblue Wrote: Apparently Jonah Jordan (?) is saying Clergeot is gonna be an immediate impact player. That will be cool, but every statistical guideline would indicate he would project to be a 4 and 2 type player for a regular team.
I like statistical analysis. Why don't you post your calculations. I'm sure they're quite robust. How many turnovers will he have -- statistically speaking?
Well, since you like it, you can do it yourself.
I'll help you with the process:
Find Clergeot's recruiting ranking.
Then go to the previous three years of recruiting rankings and look at the frosh averages of all the guys five spots above and below that ranking.
Take the median number and that will give you an idea of what to expect from Clergeot.
And don't think this is some anti-Tubby thing. I had to help a Temple fan with this a few years ago and, of course, I was correct in my assessment.
After you "stat it up" let us all know what you find. Since, you know, you like statistical analysis.
So, that's what you mean when you say things like "every statistical guideline?" LOL, still not sure what that phrase even means!
Tell you what -- before I waste any time on your methodology, why don't you validate it by posting the last three years' worth of predictions that it's made for players in those same spots and the ensuing correlation coefficient so we'll all know how much confidence to put in your statistical "guidelines?" OK?
I mean, I'm sure you've hit on the most accurate scoring and rebounding predictor -- what number a particular rating service ranks a kid -- rather than a bunch of irrelevant stuff like whether he starts or doesn't see the floor for the team that signs him, whether he plays point guard or center, what he's done previously -- you know, drivel like that. But I'd still like to see the numbers, so again, why don't you post them?
About 1/5th of the way into the season (still room to change) but he's going for 3.0 ppg and 1.5 rpg.
(This post was last modified: 11-27-2016 10:43 AM by salukiblue.)
Keon just looks like a freshman so far. Hard to tell the talent level without more playing time. And if he gets lots of playing time anytime soon, I think we've got problems. He may be lighting it up in practice, for all I know. But thankfully, we've not had to rely much on him yet.
Kessee is the disappointment so far, IMO. Maybe he'll get with it.
(11-28-2016 10:51 AM)holyterror Wrote: Keon just looks like a freshman so far. Hard to tell the talent level without more playing time. And if he gets lots of playing time anytime soon, I think we've got problems. He may be lighting it up in practice, for all I know. But thankfully, we've not had to rely much on him yet.
Kessee is the disappointment so far, IMO. Maybe he'll get with it.
I agree and saluki wasn't passing judgement on Keon - just had a statistical analysis based on previous players ranked similarly and what to realistically expect...6 games into the season and it certainly appears that saluki was spot on.
What's even more significant is our ranking. I've just used Saluki's metrics (find the rank and check out what the five above and five below last year did) and found that, since we're ranked # 91, every statistical guideline indicates we're going 19-14 this season. I guess that means we lose in the conference quarterfinals and no post season again. Too bad.
Big question - if we go 19-14 under Tubby, how does that feel versus the 19-15 we went under CJP last year? My gut is optimism (for Tubby) vs. pessimism (for CJP).
Big problem facing the Tigers in that scenario is the 17-18 season as there is a good to great chance that Dedric goes pro and and one would have to assume senior to be Christian Kessee is being brought in for this one season to shoulder some of the scoring load, then he is gone. WE NEED TO LOCK DOWN AND SIGN COME RECRUITS IN THE EARLY SIGNING PERIOD.
Depends on how we get there...19-14 because Rykhoek actually is a player and Jimario can hold down the middle in relief and the team gels to make a strong run to the AAC title game and maybe even makes the NIT, maybe even wins a game or two...probably feel pretty good even with the lackluster 2016 and 2017 recruiting to date...
OR
19-14 with Rykhoek breaking his hip in the first week of the season and Dedric being forced to play center and internal tension between Tubby and Keelon and his boys, who never dreamed they'd be forced into risking injury at the DI level by playing undersized post positions and a late skid of losses when teams just pound the ball inside? Probably not so good, especially when the Lawsons leave because of the total bullshtt of the roster situation.
What's even more significant is our ranking. I've just used Saluki's metrics (find the rank and check out what the five above and five below last year did) and found that, since we're ranked # 91, every statistical guideline indicates we're going 19-14 this season. I guess that means we lose in the conference quarterfinals and no post season again. Too bad.
Big question - if we go 19-14 under Tubby, how does that feel versus the 19-15 we went under CJP last year? My gut is optimism (for Tubby) vs. pessimism (for CJP).
Big problem facing the Tigers in that scenario is the 17-18 season as there is a good to great chance that Dedric goes pro and and one would have to assume senior to be Christian Kessee is being brought in for this one season to shoulder some of the scoring load, then he is gone. WE NEED TO LOCK DOWN AND SIGN COME RECRUITS IN THE EARLY SIGNING PERIOD.
Depends on how we get there...19-14 because Rykhoek actually is a player and Jimario can hold down the middle in relief and the team gels to make a strong run to the AAC title game and maybe even makes the NIT, maybe even wins a game or two...probably feel pretty good even with the lackluster 2016 and 2017 recruiting to date...
OR
19-14 with Rykhoek breaking his hip in the first week of the season and Dedric being forced to play center and internal tension between Tubby and Keelon and his boys, who never dreamed they'd be forced into risking injury at the DI level by playing undersized post positions and a late skid of losses when teams just pound the ball inside? Probably not so good, especially when the Lawsons leave because of the total bullshtt of the roster situation.
Not sure what that means because there is still a lot of season left to play and the starting center is done.
Time will still tell how things progress and how the season ends and if the sky does indeed 'fall' or not.
The overall season could be a miracle, could be just average (most likely), could be disaster.
No one knows in December though.
9-3 is nice and the win Saturday was nice, but that doesn't mean much if OU finishes 16-15 or whatever and turns out that they just aren't that good either.
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Only 10 basketball players for this year?
