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RE: Only 10 basketball players for this year?
(09-07-2016 11:06 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 10:42 PM)jgardne Wrote:  I don't want him fired I just want to feel like he's out there trying to improve the team.

Which I don't, because there was no reason to not get more heavily involved in grad transfers. If we had some great young talent we wanted to give all the PT to to develop for the future, I could see that. But we don't have that. Dedric and KJ will be playing 30 minutes a game. Markel is not an underclassman.

You may be exactly right, I don't know. But I suspect there's more that goes into the decision about whether it's a good idea to bring in a particular player for one year than whether he's willing and whether we have an open scholarship. Why is it that most players decide to leave their own school and play for someone else for their final year? Usually it's more about the player than the team. Maybe there are more Dixons than Tarrants. Again, I don't know the reason, but I doubt that it has anything to do with having too many tee times.

I went through, and this board went through, this whole same argument about tommy west and how he had his own evaluation system and didn't believe the recruiting services and how they didn't know anything and all the secret commits we had we lost and on and on. So I'm probably biased from that experience but this looks the same as that to me

And the story with west ended up being that his staff was lazy, wasn't going to games, wasn't talking to players or coaches or putting in the work
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Word on the street is some of the people on this forum are trolls. How dare they say that!
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RE: Only 10 basketball players for this year?
(09-07-2016 05:23 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  
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(09-07-2016 12:01 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Hell, they could have logged in to this board, followed Hoopdreams posts, and gone from there.

So in your opinion, Hoopdreams knows more about recruiting than Tubby Smith and his entire staff? OK, thanks for the input.

Well alrighty then.

Make sense of what Tubby has done (or hasn't done) since April 12th.

Flipped a 2*
Got a grad transfer from Coppin State
Grabbed a dude who hasn't played college ball in four years a couple weeks ago.

Still has four scholarships open.

No, you must have me confused with some other message board poster who hasn't ever coached, recruited, or won national championships on high level DI teams but thinks he knows more than those who have.

As for me, I gave a wet-behind-the-ears gumdrop who had no business in the big office of the Finch five years of benefit-of-the-doubt before I threw in the towel on him. And I still have some sense of fairness about me. I'll trust that the guy we hired to replace him knows what's best for the team until he proves me wrong. He hasn't done that yet, know-it-all keyboard jockeys notwithstanding.

Give me a break with the whole "so you know more than a D1 coach who won a national title" nonsense.

There are quite a few people on this board who have advanced degrees, have done well in their personal or professional life, or have the ability to understand how to run an entity (in a broad sense).

It doesn't take the sharpest tack to look at this roster, look who was taken, and then LOOK TO SEE HOW MANY OPEN SCHOLARSHIPS remain to realize that this staff did not maximize their opportunity to win THIS YEAR.

If the argument is that the staff tried to get more bodies but just couldn't get commits--who is that on?

If the argument is that the staff thinks eight legitimate scholarship players is enough--who is that on?

Either way it's on the staff. If you haven't been paying attention to who the lead recruiter is, I suggest you do. Let's just say, by his dealings on twitter he doesn't instill the greatest degree of confidence in me that he has a clue on how to work at a bigtime program with bigtime expectations and a fanbase that is hungry to win again.
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RE: Only 10 basketball players for this year?
(09-08-2016 09:56 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 05:23 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 02:49 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 01:50 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 12:01 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Hell, they could have logged in to this board, followed Hoopdreams posts, and gone from there.

So in your opinion, Hoopdreams knows more about recruiting than Tubby Smith and his entire staff? OK, thanks for the input.

Well alrighty then.

Make sense of what Tubby has done (or hasn't done) since April 12th.

Flipped a 2*
Got a grad transfer from Coppin State
Grabbed a dude who hasn't played college ball in four years a couple weeks ago.

Still has four scholarships open.

No, you must have me confused with some other message board poster who hasn't ever coached, recruited, or won national championships on high level DI teams but thinks he knows more than those who have.

As for me, I gave a wet-behind-the-ears gumdrop who had no business in the big office of the Finch five years of benefit-of-the-doubt before I threw in the towel on him. And I still have some sense of fairness about me. I'll trust that the guy we hired to replace him knows what's best for the team until he proves me wrong. He hasn't done that yet, know-it-all keyboard jockeys notwithstanding.

Give me a break with the whole "so you know more than a D1 coach who won a national title" nonsense.

There are quite a few people on this board who have advanced degrees, have done well in there personal or professional life, and have the ability to understand how to run an entity (in a broad sense).

It doesn't take the sharpest tack to look at this roster, look who was taken, and then LOOK TO SEE HOW MANY OPEN SCHOLARSHIPS remain to realize that this staff did not maximize their opportunity to win THIS YEAR.

If the argument is that the staff tried to get more bodies but just couldn't get commits--who is that on?

If the argument is that the staff thinks eight legitimate scholarship players is enough--who is that on?

Either way it's on the staff. If you haven't been paying attention to who the lead recruiter is, I suggest you do. Let's just say, by his dealings on twitter that he doesn't instill the greatest degree of confidence in me that he has a clue on how to work at a bigtime program with bigtime expectations and a fanbase that is hungry to win again.


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I'm just snake bit after the ride we got taken on by Dust-Bin Fuente. If yer' here, grab a mop and get to work. As far as I'm concerned the Tigers ain't a rest stop or a retirement home if'n you know what I mean.
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(09-08-2016 11:58 AM)JCraft Wrote:  I'm just snake bit after the ride we got taken on by Dust-Bin Fuente. If yer' here, grab a mop and get to work. As far as I'm concerned the Tigers ain't a rest stop or a retirement home if'n you know what I mean.

Well at least you're not just a pretty face
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(09-08-2016 12:06 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Well at least you're not just a pretty face

True dat!
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I think we'll be well into the top half of our conference this year (with the team everyone is complaining about) and competing for the league title the next. All this gloom and doom is uncalled for, in my opinion, if our new coach makes that kind of a drastic improvement.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just gave you my predictions. For anyone in disagreement, with which of the two do you disagree -- my prediction, or my assessment that, if he accomplishes those two things, it will have been a successful turnaround?

I'm not really interested in judging the new coach successful or not by a standard that was met by the last one. That's nonsense, as far as I'm concerned.
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(09-08-2016 09:56 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Give me a break with the whole "so you know more than a D1 coach who won a national title" nonsense.

Penny Lane just used a "law of averages" argument to explain beating three ranked teams in a row, and I can't use a "he knows more than you" argument? C'mon.
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(09-08-2016 10:01 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  
(09-08-2016 09:56 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 05:23 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 02:49 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 01:50 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  So in your opinion, Hoopdreams knows more about recruiting than Tubby Smith and his entire staff? OK, thanks for the input.

Well alrighty then.

Make sense of what Tubby has done (or hasn't done) since April 12th.

Flipped a 2*
Got a grad transfer from Coppin State
Grabbed a dude who hasn't played college ball in four years a couple weeks ago.

Still has four scholarships open.

No, you must have me confused with some other message board poster who hasn't ever coached, recruited, or won national championships on high level DI teams but thinks he knows more than those who have.

As for me, I gave a wet-behind-the-ears gumdrop who had no business in the big office of the Finch five years of benefit-of-the-doubt before I threw in the towel on him. And I still have some sense of fairness about me. I'll trust that the guy we hired to replace him knows what's best for the team until he proves me wrong. He hasn't done that yet, know-it-all keyboard jockeys notwithstanding.

Give me a break with the whole "so you know more than a D1 coach who won a national title" nonsense.

There are quite a few people on this board who have advanced degrees, have done well in there personal or professional life, and have the ability to understand how to run an entity (in a broad sense).

It doesn't take the sharpest tack to look at this roster, look who was taken, and then LOOK TO SEE HOW MANY OPEN SCHOLARSHIPS remain to realize that this staff did not maximize their opportunity to win THIS YEAR.

If the argument is that the staff tried to get more bodies but just couldn't get commits--who is that on?

If the argument is that the staff thinks eight legitimate scholarship players is enough--who is that on?

Either way it's on the staff. If you haven't been paying attention to who the lead recruiter is, I suggest you do. Let's just say, by his dealings on twitter that he doesn't instill the greatest degree of confidence in me that he has a clue on how to work at a bigtime program with bigtime expectations and a fanbase that is hungry to win again.


Uh lock the thread

Please lock the thread here. Great post.
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(09-08-2016 01:55 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I think we'll be well into the top half of our conference this year (with the team everyone is complaining about) and competing for the league title the next. All this gloom and doom is uncalled for, in my opinion, if our new coach makes that kind of a drastic improvement.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just gave you my predictions. For anyone in disagreement, with which of the two do you disagree -- my prediction, or my assessment that, if he accomplishes those two things, it will have been a successful turnaround?

I'm not really interested in judging the new coach successful or not by a standard that was met by the last one. That's nonsense, as far as I'm concerned.

What was your big 12 prediction? Just so we know what we are working with here
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(09-08-2016 09:38 AM)Beetlejuice Wrote:  Word on the street is some of the people on this forum are trolls. How dare they say that!


Word on the street is there is a word on the street about the word on the street.

WORD!



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(09-09-2016 06:53 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  
(09-08-2016 01:55 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I think we'll be well into the top half of our conference this year (with the team everyone is complaining about) and competing for the league title the next. All this gloom and doom is uncalled for, in my opinion, if our new coach makes that kind of a drastic improvement.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just gave you my predictions. For anyone in disagreement, with which of the two do you disagree -- my prediction, or my assessment that, if he accomplishes those two things, it will have been a successful turnaround?

I'm not really interested in judging the new coach successful or not by a standard that was met by the last one. That's nonsense, as far as I'm concerned.

What was your big 12 prediction? Just so we know what we are working with here

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(09-06-2016 09:02 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 01:21 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 01:20 PM)Claw Wrote:  Cal had a real short bench several times.

No, Cal CHOSE to have a really short bench because his top 8 players were all 5 stars.

Really? Are you this ignorant or are you trolling....

Both? Probably more the latter though.
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(09-07-2016 09:26 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 07:37 PM)dwash Wrote:  Yeah but Cal was recruiting his butt off, but some of his recruits were going pro, not eligible or in general he was just setting his targets too high for what he could realistically get to come here on a regular basis without a recent history of program success. Tubby really looks like he doesn't care.

I know it is difficult for some, but use a little logic:

IF Tubby did not care and IF Tubby was looking to just collect a paycheck or get his son a job, he would have stayed at Texas Tech, he was already there, they loved him, they offered him a million dollars per year raise to stay and he could have gone off into the sunset doing very little and collected a paycheck and been appreciated there ..

Instead he came here to compete for a national championship. He may be old and he may not get it done here but to say he does not care or that he came here for the paycheck is lazy and ignorant.

That's really a pretty simple way to refute the whole "came here to retire" crowd. But it doesn't fit the conspiracy script.
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(09-07-2016 09:39 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 09:33 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 09:26 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 07:37 PM)dwash Wrote:  Yeah but Cal was recruiting his butt off, but some of his recruits were going pro, not eligible or in general he was just setting his targets too high for what he could realistically get to come here on a regular basis without a recent history of program success. Tubby really looks like he doesn't care.

I know it is difficult for some, but use a little logic:

IF Tubby did not care and IF Tubby was looking to just collect a paycheck or get his son a job, he would have stayed at Texas Tech, he was already there, they loved him, they offered him a million dollars per year raise to stay and he could have gone off into the sunset doing very little and collected a paycheck and been appreciated there ..

Instead he came here to compete for a national championship. He may be old and he may not get it done here but to say he does not care or that he came here for the paycheck is lazy and ignorant.
Logic, on here, you've come to the wrong place.

Because this year he was losing his two leading scorers and had no one of note coming in to replace them outside of just promoting the next guys in line.

He knows that Kansas will always be Kansas, that WVU will be as good, if not better this year, that TCU adding Jamie Dixon won't help him, that Texas is going to be better under Shaka, that KSU returns their top 9 players or something crazy like that, etc etc.

So it's because the pressure to win at TT is so high? And there's not much pressure at Memphis? Um, okay.
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(09-07-2016 12:01 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
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(09-07-2016 09:36 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 09:26 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 07:37 PM)dwash Wrote:  Yeah but Cal was recruiting his butt off, but some of his recruits were going pro, not eligible or in general he was just setting his targets too high for what he could realistically get to come here on a regular basis without a recent history of program success. Tubby really looks like he doesn't care.

I know it is difficult for some, but use a little logic:

IF Tubby did not care and IF Tubby was looking to just collect a paycheck or get his son a job, he would have stayed at Texas Tech, he was already there, they loved him, they offered him a million dollars per year raise to stay and he could have gone off into the sunset doing very little and collected a paycheck and been appreciated there ..

Instead he came here to compete for a national championship. He may be old and he may not get it done here but to say he does not care or that he came here for the paycheck is lazy and ignorant.

Why don't you use a little logic:

WTH has he done from April 12th until now to add to a roster that had four top 100 players (including a 1st team all conference player) to make them ready to challenge for a conference title. Oh, yeah, with FIVE available scholarships.

I'll wait...

There is a difference between can't and not caring.

Recruiting is sales, Pastner is a salesman, Tubby not so much. Pastner would make a fortune in insurance.

Sales is telling a person what they want to hear. Tubby is selling to 17 year olds, what do you think he is telling them? What is Pastner?

I would bet Tubby doesn't tell them what they want to hear. That would be my guess as to why he's never been a good recruiter.

Well, then the million dollar staff he brought with him should have done more than flip their own 2*, grab a Coppin State grad transfer, and wheel in a guy who has been injured for four years--and leave four scholarships on the table.

Hell, they could have logged in to this board, followed Hoopdreams posts, and gone from there.

Please, if ANYONE can write with a straight face that this staff's recruiting has been even AVERAGE, please explain why or how.

This recruiting has not been average - for either Memphis or for Tubby. If the recruiting is this way next year or the next - we got a problem. But it's actually better than average for a coach's first year at a new school.
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I would like to see one game...just one.... before making a decision whether he should live or die.
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Been pretty quiet.
Aren't the coaches allowed some work out time now until Memphis Madness?

Will their even be a madness event???
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(09-09-2016 11:24 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 12:01 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 11:49 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 09:36 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 09:26 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  I know it is difficult for some, but use a little logic:

IF Tubby did not care and IF Tubby was looking to just collect a paycheck or get his son a job, he would have stayed at Texas Tech, he was already there, they loved him, they offered him a million dollars per year raise to stay and he could have gone off into the sunset doing very little and collected a paycheck and been appreciated there ..

Instead he came here to compete for a national championship. He may be old and he may not get it done here but to say he does not care or that he came here for the paycheck is lazy and ignorant.

Why don't you use a little logic:

WTH has he done from April 12th until now to add to a roster that had four top 100 players (including a 1st team all conference player) to make them ready to challenge for a conference title. Oh, yeah, with FIVE available scholarships.

I'll wait...

There is a difference between can't and not caring.

Recruiting is sales, Pastner is a salesman, Tubby not so much. Pastner would make a fortune in insurance.

Sales is telling a person what they want to hear. Tubby is selling to 17 year olds, what do you think he is telling them? What is Pastner?

I would bet Tubby doesn't tell them what they want to hear. That would be my guess as to why he's never been a good recruiter.

Well, then the million dollar staff he brought with him should have done more than flip their own 2*, grab a Coppin State grad transfer, and wheel in a guy who has been injured for four years--and leave four scholarships on the table.

Hell, they could have logged in to this board, followed Hoopdreams posts, and gone from there.

Please, if ANYONE can write with a straight face that this staff's recruiting has been even AVERAGE, please explain why or how.

This recruiting has not been average - for either Memphis or for Tubby. If the recruiting is this way next year or the next - we got a problem. But it's actually better than average for a coach's first year at a new school.

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