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MW Commissioner says expansion is possible regardless of Big 12 expansion
http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4311746-155...pansion-is

Quote: "I've challenged our membership to think about expansion — with or without losing [current] members," Thompson said. "Do we look east? Do we look at the state of Texas, for example? So that's probably going to be something we have to confront this year."


Quote: "If we're expanding," Thompson said, "we're going east."

Similar article which has the SL Tribune article above linked. http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-poaching/

This the typo state the SB viable option is Ark. St...which probably should be Texas St.



It seems we may be thinking ahead 2 years for the next TV contract.
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RE: MW Commissioner says expansion is possible irregardless of Big 12 expansion
Pet peeve, and hate to do this but "irregardless" is not a word. It's just "regardless" or "irrespective."

Anyway, my concerns for Rice going to the MWC are the vast travel distances and the Time Zone inferiority, similar to when Rice was in the WAC and basically disappeared (even though we actually performed quite well in football overall under then-coach Ken Hatfield.) I'd much rather Rice move to AAC or ACC (or SEC West, heh, for that matter, but we missed our chance to go with Arkansas back in the early 1990s, and they took South Carolina instead.)

At least if all 4 current CUSA Texas schools went to MWC together, it would mitigate the issues. Still, Rice would be the easternmost school in a far-flung conference and you could kiss goodbye traveling to most conference games besides the two close Texas schools (no one's gonna drive from Houston to El Paso even today.)

MWC with 4 Texas cusa Schools added:

East
Air Force
Colorado State
New Mexico
Rice
North Texas
UTEP
UTSA
Wyoming

West
Boise State
Fresno State
Hawaii
Nevada
San Diego State
San Jose State
UNLV
Utah State

I personally am not as thrilled with that as Rice going to AAC if we have a choice of the two, as Rice fits better in an eastern-oriented conference, but it's a step, and hopefully would be a bigger payout (although exit and entrance fees, etc...plus travel costs go waaaay up.)
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RE: MW Commissioner says expansion is possible irregardless of Big 12 expansion
(09-07-2016 10:20 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Pet peeve, and hate to do this but "irregardless" is not a word. It's just "regardless" or "irrespective."

Anyway, my concerns for Rice going to the MWC are the vast travel distances and the Time Zone inferiority, similar to when Rice was in the WAC and basically disappeared (even though we actually performed quite well in football overall under then-coach Ken Hatfield.) I'd much rather Rice move to AAC or ACC (or SEC West, heh, for that matter, but we missed our chance to go with Arkansas back in the early 1990s, and they took South Carolina instead.)

At least if all 4 current CUSA Texas schools went to MWC together, it would mitigate the issues. Still, Rice would be the easternmost school in a far-flung conference and you could kiss goodbye traveling to most conference games besides the two close Texas schools (no one's gonna drive from Houston to El Paso even today.)

MWC with 4 Texas cusa Schools added:

East
Air Force
Colorado State
New Mexico
Rice
North Texas
UTEP
UTSA
Wyoming

West
Boise State
Fresno State
Hawaii
Nevada
San Diego State
San Jose State
UNLV
Utah State

I personally am not as thrilled with that as Rice going to AAC if we have a choice of the two, as Rice fits better in an eastern-oriented conference, but it's a step, and hopefully would be a bigger payout (although exit and entrance fees, etc...plus travel costs go waaaay up.)

No problem on the grammar. Seems like irregardless has been an issue since the late 1700's.....

I wouldn't mind a Texas core but it would be ripe for a split when the playoff contract renews possibly unless other conferences have gone to 16 teams and if things change with the playoff expansion. The big key now as opposed to the WAC 16 is the divisions nicely line up and the TV contract could be the key to holding the conference together at that amount of teams unless a division knows it would get more TV$$ than another division. But it would all go back to playoff contract and how the G5 or G? will be handled.

I do see Rice as a flight risk and I do think that Houston is a little to far east for the MW.
Sub Texas St for Rice and I think the MW could hold up as is. Anybody wanting further eastern could schedule OOC games. One thing thought is that the exposure would pretty much be in your division as you'll only get 1 cross over game with 16 teams.

Interesting talk about expansion from the MW....I think the MW commish is hearing some stirrings for the TV contract that will be coming up in a couple years. Might as well get a jump on some thoughts if the Texas offers more opportunity for a larger payout.
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RE: MW Commissioner says expansion is possible regardless of Big 12 expansion
I doubt the MWC could pull any AAC school, and vice versa. Too much parity, monetarily, to cause a jump. The question I have is why the MWC is honestly thinking about expanding. The MWC would have to pull from CUSA or Sun Belt, and that means UTEP, Rice, UNT, UTSA, Texas St, La Tech, or maybe try to get NDSU or one of the Montana school to move up (I doubt this). I doubt Houston would be willing to go to the MWC even if they are left out unless an extraordinary set of circumstances are met (hell if I know what those are). I don't think there are many good options.

UTEP would probably be the closest thing to a geographical and cultural fit, but they would not add much in regards to SoS. This is evidenced by the fact that they've averaged #136 in Sagarin Ratings from 2011-2015 with a rating no higher than 92 (2011). Additionally UTEP really wouldn't get the MWC into Texas as UTEP is too far away from any major market and is really part of southern New Mexico.

UNT, UTSA, Texas St are dregs competitively and would not help in regards to the NY6 aspirations of the conference. UTSA plays basketball in a HS gym....not a good look. Texas St has a decent stadium and decent facilities, but haven't shown any real improvement on the competition stand point.

Competitively, NDSU, Rice, and La Tech would be the best choices, at least as shown by this chart of Sagarin ratings from 2011-2015.

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(09-07-2016 05:33 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 10:20 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Pet peeve, and hate to do this but "irregardless" is not a word. It's just "regardless" or "irrespective."

Anyway, my concerns for Rice going to the MWC are the vast travel distances and the Time Zone inferiority, similar to when Rice was in the WAC and basically disappeared (even though we actually performed quite well in football overall under then-coach Ken Hatfield.) I'd much rather Rice move to AAC or ACC (or SEC West, heh, for that matter, but we missed our chance to go with Arkansas back in the early 1990s, and they took South Carolina instead.)

At least if all 4 current CUSA Texas schools went to MWC together, it would mitigate the issues. Still, Rice would be the easternmost school in a far-flung conference and you could kiss goodbye traveling to most conference games besides the two close Texas schools (no one's gonna drive from Houston to El Paso even today.)

MWC with 4 Texas cusa Schools added:

East
Air Force
Colorado State
New Mexico
Rice
North Texas
UTEP
UTSA
Wyoming

West
Boise State
Fresno State
Hawaii
Nevada
San Diego State
San Jose State
UNLV
Utah State

I personally am not as thrilled with that as Rice going to AAC if we have a choice of the two, as Rice fits better in an eastern-oriented conference, but it's a step, and hopefully would be a bigger payout (although exit and entrance fees, etc...plus travel costs go waaaay up.)

No problem on the grammar. Seems like irregardless has been an issue since the late 1700's.....

I wouldn't mind a Texas core but it would be ripe for a split when the playoff contract renews possibly unless other conferences have gone to 16 teams and if things change with the playoff expansion. The big key now as opposed to the WAC 16 is the divisions nicely line up and the TV contract could be the key to holding the conference together at that amount of teams unless a division knows it would get more TV$$ than another division. But it would all go back to playoff contract and how the G5 or G? will be handled.

I do see Rice as a flight risk and I do think that Houston is a little to far east for the MW.
Sub Texas St for Rice and I think the MW could hold up as is. Anybody wanting further eastern could schedule OOC games. One thing thought is that the exposure would pretty much be in your division as you'll only get 1 cross over game with 16 teams.

Interesting talk about expansion from the MW....I think the MW commish is hearing some stirrings for the TV contract that will be coming up in a couple years. Might as well get a jump on some thoughts if the Texas offers more opportunity for a larger payout.

irr.....well, Rice's performance against Baylor on ESPN tonight probably won't help.

I agree with you. Texas is a big state, and Rice is located far to the east, next to Louisiana. It kind of stinks being located in the middle south of the country. Too bad the B1G won't take a look at us...we'd fit academically and geographically, but we're tiny.

If BigXII doesn't expand now, I still think other realignment changes may happen. And when BigXII faces the re-upping of their TV contract in 2024-25, all heck might finally break loose. I will be curious to see just what happens with the MWC and AAC contracts when they get renewed before then.
And thanks for being cool, man!
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RE: MW Commissioner says expansion is possible regardless of Big 12 expansion
Using the Big 12's example, now you know how NOT to do it!
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RE: MW Commissioner says expansion is possible regardless of Big 12 expansion
(10-17-2016 04:05 PM)PK_UToledo Wrote:  Using the Big 12's example, now you know how NOT to do it!

True.
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MW Commissioner says expansion is possible regardless of Big 12 expansion
I think the so called g5s should break away and forum our own league and have our own playoffs and championship game...
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(10-17-2016 06:03 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  I think the so called g5s should break away and forum our own league and have our own playoffs and championship game...

Too bad the haves have so much more than the have-nots. G5s need the money games on the road. A scheduling boycott would be nice to see.

With fewer G5s, some of those good 10-2 teams fall to 7-5, and head to the Brand Name Bowl vs. the New Year's Six Bowl.
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RE: MW Commissioner says expansion is possible regardless of Big 12 expansion
The WAC of the mid-1990s offers an interesting look at what happens when a conference becomes too geographically cumbersome while providing too little money to each member to make up the gap. This is the entire reason why the Mountain West exists in the first place.
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Win-Win? (Someone on this forum with friends in MWC high places please forward these thoughts to your MWC Commissioner.....Thanks in advance). (:>) Just For Fun > > > > > http://www.meangreensports.com/

Add these 4 Texas schools & inflate The Mountain West Conference TV market ($$$$$$) dramatically along with new bowl switchover possibilities for the MWC (as in the Heart of Dallas Bowl for starters; that is, a bowl game which is presently a CUSA host team versus a Big 10 opponent plus.......a bowl game that North Texas had 36,000 Mean Green fans attend 2 New Years Day's ago).
? ? ? ? Anyone in the MWC want to play a Big 10 school in a bowl game?

* These 4 MWC add-on's would continue burgeoning rivalries in their time zone & the Mountain West time zone is workable for any of these schools.

Possible 4 New MWC East Members:

*North Texas (bowl bound this season--UNT's last bowl was on January 1, 2014 & went to 4 bowl games last decade). Note: Quick! Someone who knows MWC powers that be have them call our new, progressive & the most affable UNT AD Wren Baker now! LOL!

*UTEP (a former WAC program with the legacy of having a NCAA National Championship in basketball).

*UTSA (a growing, progressive athletic program from a fun city that is bowl bound this season)

* Rice (why not add an Ivy League kind of presence to the MWC with an out of orbit financial endowment allowing it to do anything athletic-wise it damn well pleases).

4 New Top 100 TV Markets For the MWC (with 2 in the Top 10):

5 Dallas-Ft. Worth 2,588,020 *D-FW soon to surpass Philadelphia to become 4'th ranked TV market plus 2 G-5 bowl games in this TV market already--HOD Bowl (Cotton Bowl Stadium) & Armed Services Bowl (Amon Carter Stadium, Fort Worth)

10 Houston 2,215,650 Rice U (An Ivy League'esque presence & why not a Space City bowl game with MWC ties)?

36 San Antonio 881,050 A growing UTSA football program with its Alamo Bowl Stadium & possibilities for a MWC bowl even if its a 2'nd bowl game in the Alamo City--great destination city for visiting fans, too.

91 El Paso 339,130 (UTEP already has a history with several MWC programs).

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I'm sure there will going many scenarios that will be discussed about as the MW TV contract ends and talks with various networks for a new contract. I'm sure there will be numbers that are crunched to see if the MW added the Tex-4 would that have a good impact.

It sure would make some good regional divisions. But the big thing will be how does the front range feel about now playing schools out west for football? (there would be only 1 cross over game) If they don't mind then, this could happen.

As for basketball, pretty much only 14 conference games will be a given and that could be good to get some OOC wins like the ACC and Big East did before.

We'll see.
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(12-01-2016 10:19 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I'm sure there will going many scenarios that will be discussed about as the MW TV contract ends and talks with various networks for a new contract. I'm sure there will be numbers that are crunched to see if the MW added the Tex-4 would that have a good impact.

It sure would make some good regional divisions. But the big thing will be how does the front range feel about now playing schools out west for football? (there would be only 1 cross over game) If they don't mind then, this could happen.

As for basketball, pretty much only 14 conference games will be a given and that could be good to get some OOC wins like the ACC and Big East did before.

We'll see.

The Tex-4 of CUSA play conference games in Miami & the eastern seaboard that are further from Texas than the western group of MWC schools.

I think adding 2 USA Top 10 TV markets (DFW & Houston) to the MWC makes for an interesting scenario, but as you say--we'll see.

Update: It appears North Texas will get another Heart of Dallas Bowl invite tomorrow. We took about 36,000 fans to that bowl last time we were there on January 1, 2014.

The HOD Bowl could easily become a MWC bowl because of North Texas being in the DFW area. As UNLV could attest the HOD officials do run a first class operation.

I wanted the Armed Services Bowl over in Fort Worth but that will have to be another year apparently
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Take UTSA and Rice.

UTEP as back up, if one won't bite.
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Rice goes where rice wants to go
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no doupt mwc has to get in tex
id take utep & utsa now & be patient
b-12 gouges aac, hous & smu become available
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