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RE: Gamethread: Rice Owls @ WKU Marshmallows
(09-01-2016 10:33 PM)Philoso-Owl Wrote:  
(09-01-2016 10:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-01-2016 10:28 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  Bailiff should had been fired last year. This is on Dr K.

Per our inside source, his hands were tied...

I missed this rumor. Care to elaborate or provide a link?

Our "inside source" is waltgreenberg. He's the only one who has spewed this nonsense.

Walt reminds me alot of an annoying 8-year old. Sometimes you'll say anything to make the leave you alone. This is the most like scenario in which JK would have said anything like this to a booster. Unfortunately, Walt has saved up enough money from living in his mom's basement over the years and we don't have enough big $$$ fans, so JK has to get pestered like this when he has far better things to worry about.
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(09-10-2016 10:53 AM)Eat More Vole Wrote:  
(09-01-2016 10:33 PM)Philoso-Owl Wrote:  
(09-01-2016 10:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-01-2016 10:28 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  Bailiff should had been fired last year. This is on Dr K.

Per our inside source, his hands were tied...

I missed this rumor. Care to elaborate or provide a link?

Our "inside source" is waltgreenberg. He's the only one who has spewed this nonsense.

Walt reminds me alot of an annoying 8-year old. Sometimes you'll say anything to make the leave you alone. This is the most like scenario in which JK would have said anything like this to a booster. Unfortunately, Walt has saved up enough money from living in his mom's basement over the years and we don't have enough big $$$ fans, so JK has to get pestered like this when he has far better things to worry about.

DAMN GINA!
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RE: Gamethread: Rice Owls @ WKU Marshmallows
(09-10-2016 11:05 AM)Owlcoholic Wrote:  
(09-10-2016 10:53 AM)Eat More Vole Wrote:  
(09-01-2016 10:33 PM)Philoso-Owl Wrote:  
(09-01-2016 10:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-01-2016 10:28 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  Bailiff should had been fired last year. This is on Dr K.

Per our inside source, his hands were tied...

I missed this rumor. Care to elaborate or provide a link?

Our "inside source" is waltgreenberg. He's the only one who has spewed this nonsense.

Walt reminds me alot of an annoying 8-year old. Sometimes you'll say anything to make the leave you alone. This is the most like scenario in which JK would have said anything like this to a booster. Unfortunately, Walt has saved up enough money from living in his mom's basement over the years and we don't have enough big $$$ fans, so JK has to get pestered like this when he has far better things to worry about.

DAMN GINA!

Someone woke up and ate a big bowl of "I don't give a ****"
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RE: Gamethread: Rice Owls @ WKU Marshmallows
(09-10-2016 11:06 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-10-2016 11:05 AM)Owlcoholic Wrote:  
(09-10-2016 10:53 AM)Eat More Vole Wrote:  
(09-01-2016 10:33 PM)Philoso-Owl Wrote:  
(09-01-2016 10:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Per our inside source, his hands were tied...

I missed this rumor. Care to elaborate or provide a link?

Our "inside source" is waltgreenberg. He's the only one who has spewed this nonsense.

Walt reminds me alot of an annoying 8-year old. Sometimes you'll say anything to make the leave you alone. This is the most like scenario in which JK would have said anything like this to a booster. Unfortunately, Walt has saved up enough money from living in his mom's basement over the years and we don't have enough big $$$ fans, so JK has to get pestered like this when he has far better things to worry about.

DAMN GINA!

Someone woke up and ate a big bowl of "I don't give a ****"

I for one applaud the use of this forum for open and honest discussion such as the above. Bravo.
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Wondering if having already played a pass-oriented team and having game film of what we might need to work on might actually help us tonight against Baylor? Coach Bailiff did mention before the WKU game that he wished he had a game to prepare with. Since Army offense was so different, I would hope he at least used the WKU film to make some adjustments in practices this week, although I'm not sure exactly how similar WKU's offense is to Baylor's?
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(09-16-2016 11:41 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Wondering if having already played a pass-oriented team and having game film of what we might need to work on might actually help us tonight against Baylor? Coach Bailiff did mention before the WKU game that he wished he had a game to prepare with. Since Army offense was so different, I would hope he at least used the WKU film to make some adjustments in practices this week, although I'm not sure exactly how similar WKU's offense is to Baylor's?

I don't think Baylor's offense should be described as pass-oriented. IIRC they regularly rush for 250+ yards against most teams, plus they are good passing as well.
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RE: Gamethread: Rice Owls @ WKU Marshmallows
(09-16-2016 11:54 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(09-16-2016 11:41 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Wondering if having already played a pass-oriented team and having game film of what we might need to work on might actually help us tonight against Baylor? Coach Bailiff did mention before the WKU game that he wished he had a game to prepare with. Since Army offense was so different, I would hope he at least used the WKU film to make some adjustments in practices this week, although I'm not sure exactly how similar WKU's offense is to Baylor's?

I don't think Baylor's offense should be described as pass-oriented. IIRC they regularly rush for 250+ yards against most teams, plus they are good passing as well.

I did look at the stats for the two teams on espn: http://www.espn.com/college-football/gam...=400869361

Quote:Season Leaders
Passing Yards
17 BAY S. Russell 40-67, 424 YDS, 6 TD, 2 INT
10 RICE T. Stehling 39-68, 383 YDS, 1 TD, 3 INT

Rushing Yards
32 BAY S. Linwood 27 CAR, 156 YDS
10 RICE T. Stehling 17 CAR, 81 YDS, 1 TD

Receiving Yards
9 BAY K. Cannon 15 REC, 139 YDS, 2 TD
2 RICE J. Mayden 6 REC, 83 YDS

Team Stats
Points Per Game BAY 47.5 RICE 14.0
Points Allowed Per Game BAY 10.0 RICE 38.5
Total Yards BAY 517.0 RICE 290.0
Yards Passing BAY 242.0 RICE 191.5
Yards Rushing BAY 275.0 RICE 98.5
Yards Allowed BAY 241.5 RICE 531.5
Pass Yards Allowed BAY 130.0 RICE 309.0
Rush Yards Allowed BAY 111.5 RICE 222.5

Surprisingly, Stehling's Passing performance is similar so far to Baylor's Russell, with the exception of the 6 TDs for Russell vs 1 TD for Stehling.

I continue to be confused as to why our four extremely versatile running backs that were touted by Bailiff as being a strength in training camp have yet to surpass our QB in yards. Hope we can get a ground game going against Baylor to at least keep things close.
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RE: Gamethread: Rice Owls @ WKU Marshmallows
(09-16-2016 11:54 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(09-16-2016 11:41 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Wondering if having already played a pass-oriented team and having game film of what we might need to work on might actually help us tonight against Baylor? Coach Bailiff did mention before the WKU game that he wished he had a game to prepare with. Since Army offense was so different, I would hope he at least used the WKU film to make some adjustments in practices this week, although I'm not sure exactly how similar WKU's offense is to Baylor's?

I don't think Baylor's offense should be described as pass-oriented. IIRC they regularly rush for 250+ yards against most teams, plus they are good passing as well.

Yep, Baylor is not a pass-dominated offense. Thurmond said so himself on the radio show this week.
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RE: Gamethread: Rice Owls @ WKU Marshmallows
(09-16-2016 12:07 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(09-16-2016 11:54 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(09-16-2016 11:41 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Wondering if having already played a pass-oriented team and having game film of what we might need to work on might actually help us tonight against Baylor? Coach Bailiff did mention before the WKU game that he wished he had a game to prepare with. Since Army offense was so different, I would hope he at least used the WKU film to make some adjustments in practices this week, although I'm not sure exactly how similar WKU's offense is to Baylor's?

I don't think Baylor's offense should be described as pass-oriented. IIRC they regularly rush for 250+ yards against most teams, plus they are good passing as well.

Yep, Baylor is not a pass-dominated offense. Thurmond said so himself on the radio show this week.

Did he indicate if there was anything we learned from facing WKU that can be done to stem the tide against Baylor? In your opinion, can we change anything in the secondary we have done so far this season to get better results so Baylor does not look like a passing-first offense against us?
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RE: Gamethread: Rice Owls @ WKU Marshmallows
(09-16-2016 12:10 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(09-16-2016 12:07 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(09-16-2016 11:54 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(09-16-2016 11:41 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Wondering if having already played a pass-oriented team and having game film of what we might need to work on might actually help us tonight against Baylor? Coach Bailiff did mention before the WKU game that he wished he had a game to prepare with. Since Army offense was so different, I would hope he at least used the WKU film to make some adjustments in practices this week, although I'm not sure exactly how similar WKU's offense is to Baylor's?

I don't think Baylor's offense should be described as pass-oriented. IIRC they regularly rush for 250+ yards against most teams, plus they are good passing as well.

Yep, Baylor is not a pass-dominated offense. Thurmond said so himself on the radio show this week.

Did he indicate if there was anything we learned from facing WKU that can be done to stem the tide against Baylor? In your opinion, can we change anything in the secondary we have done so far this season to get better results so Baylor does not look like a passing-first offense against us?

Have Gaines and Callahan use Friday night's game as practice for Sunday?
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RE: Gamethread: Rice Owls @ WKU Marshmallows
(09-16-2016 12:24 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  
(09-16-2016 12:10 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(09-16-2016 12:07 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(09-16-2016 11:54 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(09-16-2016 11:41 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Wondering if having already played a pass-oriented team and having game film of what we might need to work on might actually help us tonight against Baylor? Coach Bailiff did mention before the WKU game that he wished he had a game to prepare with. Since Army offense was so different, I would hope he at least used the WKU film to make some adjustments in practices this week, although I'm not sure exactly how similar WKU's offense is to Baylor's?

I don't think Baylor's offense should be described as pass-oriented. IIRC they regularly rush for 250+ yards against most teams, plus they are good passing as well.

Yep, Baylor is not a pass-dominated offense. Thurmond said so himself on the radio show this week.

Did he indicate if there was anything we learned from facing WKU that can be done to stem the tide against Baylor? In your opinion, can we change anything in the secondary we have done so far this season to get better results so Baylor does not look like a passing-first offense against us?

Have Gaines and Callahan use Friday night's game as practice for Sunday?

Ha, allright, but seriously...we must be able to do somethings better different, right? We know our weaknesses back there, and have now seen them for two (differently-styled) games. What are some suggestions that working with what we have?
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RE: Gamethread: Rice Owls @ WKU Marshmallows
(09-16-2016 12:31 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(09-16-2016 12:24 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  
(09-16-2016 12:10 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(09-16-2016 12:07 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(09-16-2016 11:54 AM)mrbig Wrote:  I don't think Baylor's offense should be described as pass-oriented. IIRC they regularly rush for 250+ yards against most teams, plus they are good passing as well.

Yep, Baylor is not a pass-dominated offense. Thurmond said so himself on the radio show this week.

Did he indicate if there was anything we learned from facing WKU that can be done to stem the tide against Baylor? In your opinion, can we change anything in the secondary we have done so far this season to get better results so Baylor does not look like a passing-first offense against us?

Have Gaines and Callahan use Friday night's game as practice for Sunday?

Ha, allright, but seriously...we must be able to do somethings better different, right? We know our weaknesses back there, and have now seen them for two (differently-styled) games. What are some suggestions that working with what we have?

Praying?
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RE: Gamethread: Rice Owls @ WKU Marshmallows
(09-16-2016 12:37 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(09-16-2016 12:31 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(09-16-2016 12:24 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  Have Gaines and Callahan use Friday night's game as practice for Sunday?

Ha, allright, but seriously...we must be able to do somethings better different, right? We know our weaknesses back there, and have now seen them for two (differently-styled) games. What are some suggestions that working with what we have?

Praying?

so...Rice is Bobby C? You play, you pay.



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(09-01-2016 07:05 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Bailiff on game pre-game show:

1. "I think we've made great strides. We've got to play well. (WKU) Coach Brohm has been an absolute model of consistency since he's taken over."

2. "(Stehling) has made great decisions with the football all camp."

3. "We didn't play well last year. A lot of that is that those freshmen last year are now sophomores. We've come to where you expect bowl games and come to where you expect to compete for conference titles."

4. "(Bickham) we still have JT Blasingame, and Ellis, a true freshman has stepped up."

5. "(Running backs) They've checked their egos at the doors and put on their hard hats."

6. "It doesn't matter (who you open with.) You'd rather have a game where you know, last year we opened up against Wagner and we really didn't learn much with that game. We rather have a game where you could maybe see whether there's a freshman who could step up."

Coach Bailiff's pre-game comments from before the WKU game this past season. In light of the fact that we're opening 2017 with Stanford after having just played them, how much of that will be regurgitated?

1. Apparently not only did we not make "great enough strides" to be able to compete with the top teams in the conference, (much less beat them) we could barely compete with most of the bottom ones either. Keep in mind, CUSA has been rated by many as the worst or second worst football conference this season, whereas it was rated somewhat higher previous immediate seasons. So it should have been easier to in CUSA this year, not more difficult, especially if a team truly actually "made great strides."

2. I feel really, really bad for how Stehling's career seemed to be so mishandled by Coach Bailiff and staff. I think other coaches might have helped him be more successful. If I was a decent QB being recruited by Rice, I'd only come play for Coach Bailiff if I had no other offers. Even NDSU and some FCS schools can produce a Flacco or a Wentz. Now, if you're a TE, maybe you can overlook the coaching here and succeed anyway.

3. We didn't play well for the second year in a row, after having an entire offseason to evaluate and make adjustments from our poor play the previous year. Seems like the problems ran much deeper than just freshman who becoame sophomores in 2016. Now is the argument those same sophomores will be juniors so they will magically all transform into superplayers? Or will it be this past year's freshman who will now be sophomores in 2017 that will step up and somehow play better than the ones from this past season did? Or will it be that some of next year's freshman will be the answer?

If the coaches expected a bowl game with the product they put on the field, they seem to have serious issues with judgement and evaluation. If they expect a bowl game next season by rinsing and repeating, shame on who? While Coach Bailiff once again did not compete for a conference title slot, we were in a neck and neck competition for the worst team in the conference. Compelling. Will we be "expecting to compete for conference titles" again next season in this way?

4. I'd guess there will be three more players mentioned this pre-season that will fill in the same comment.

5. They might want to purchase their hard hats from a different vendor this season. Stanford had a vaunted running attack. We had some players who lined up but didn't make as much noise as we had hoped they would. This area had been cited as a team strength but was either underutilized, incorrectly handled, not as true as we were led to believe, or some combination. I don't fault the players as much as I do the coaching/preparation. Again, if I'm a RB recruit and Bailiff is trying to sell me on playing for him have major concerns and would look elsewhere first.

6. This seems to reflect the "learning from failure" comments that Coach Bailiff made often before and through the past 2016 season. The thing about learning from failure (which can be a legitimate teacher) is that you actually have to learn from it by changes and improvements and not just say the words as lip-service. Wonder what the coaches learned from two years of the same kind of failure? Does it make much difference to the Rice admin how they perform on the field? What will be learned form 2017's first game against Stanford at HRS? We don't have a Wagner or Prairie View game on the schedule next season, but perhaps CUSA brethren will accommodate again? I maintain that as of now, next season's schedule looks tougher than this season. That might change with the conference teams readjusting, but in no way do I see next season's schedule as likely to be easier than this one.
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RE: Gamethread: Rice Owls @ WKU Marshmallows
(12-02-2016 12:15 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  We don't have a Wagner or Prairie View game on the schedule next season, but perhaps CUSA brethren will accommodate again?

We WILL have a brand new UAB squad. I don't have any idea what to expect from them or know anything about their team, but their best year in a decade was 6-6 in 2014 before they shut down... the previous 2 years they won 5 total.
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(09-01-2016 07:05 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Bailiff on game pre-game show:

"I think we've made great strides. We've got to play well. (WKU) Coach Brohm has been an absolute model of consistency since he's taken over."

"(Stehling) has made great decisions with the football all camp."

"We didn't play well last year. A lot of that is that those freshmen last year are now sophomores. We've come to where you expect bowl games and come to where you expect to compete for conference titles."

"(Bickham) we still have JT Blasingame, and Ellis, a true freshman has stepped up."

"(Running backs) They've checked their egos at the doors and put on their hard hats."

"It doesn't matter (who you open with.) You'd rather have a game where you know, last year we opened up against Wagner and we really didn't learn much with that game. We rather have a game where you could maybe see whether there's a freshman who could step up."

Thought about the last quote in particular as this year we are opening with Prairie View A&M. Of course, need not mention the last time we had a new football coach open up with a non-D-I team. I'm hoping Coach Bloomgren gets to use this game in a way that sets up options for the rest of the season. I hope whatever he does, the team's play looks different that we've seen past several years on S. Main. Not sure when we'll get to play the Marshmallows again. Hopefully by then we can fare better. Maybe next year we'll finally play MTSU.
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RE: Gamethread: Rice Owls @ WKU Marshmallows
First games by new Rice football coaches since Jess Neely:

2018 (Mike Bloomgren) Prairie View (FCS)

2007 (David Bailiff) Nicholls St. (FCS) (6-5) 14-16

2006 (Todd Graham) Houston (10-4) 30-31

1994 (Ken Hatfield) Tulane (1-10) 13-15

1989 (Fred Goldsmith) @SMU (2-9) 35-6

1986 (Jerry Berndt) Lamar (1-AA) (2-9) 28-14

1984 (Watson Brown) @Minnesota (4-7) 24-31

1978 (Ray Alborn) Iowa State (8-4) 19-23

1972 (Al Conover) Houston (6-4-1) 14-13

1971 (Bill Peterson) Houston (9-3) 21-23

1967 (Bo Hagan) @LSU (7-3-1) 14-20

8 of the 11 first games are at home (1971 and 1972 games against Houston were both at Rice Stadium).
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(07-30-2018 04:32 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  First games by new Rice football coaches since Jess Neely:

2018 (Mike Bloomgren) Prairie View (FCS)

2007 (David Bailiff) Nicholls St. (FCS) (6-5) 14-16

2006 (Todd Graham) Houston (10-4) 30-31

1994 (Ken Hatfield) Tulane (1-10) 13-15

1989 (Fred Goldsmith) @SMU (2-9) 35-6

1986 (Jerry Berndt) Lamar (1-AA) (2-9) 28-14

1984 (Watson Brown) @Minnesota (4-7) 24-31

1978 (Ray Alborn) Iowa State (8-4) 19-23

1972 (Al Conover) Houston (6-4-1) 14-13

1971 (Bill Peterson) Houston (9-3) 21-23

1967 (Bo Hagan) @LSU (7-3-1) 14-20

8 of the 11 first games are at home (1971 and 1972 games against Houston were both at Rice Stadium).

1989 was the first game after the death penalty for SMU. Their team was nearly all freshmen. Also Trevor Cobb's debut.

My vote for most impressive first game is 1972, followed by 2006.
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