Does anybody think it's a "front" to back UH publicly like this, with someone pulling the "well, they're okay, but we'd like someone more academic," with Rice's application already there?

I'm sorry, but I can't help but think some of this is theatre. Rice is the one the eggheads would want, but you have to make it a convincing sell that you're at least trying to pull for the fellow public institution, you know?

Or, it becomes a bickerfest over Houston and Rice, with no TX additions because of the discord? This opens the door for alternatives who just happen to have enough votes, UT and TTU be darned. They come off looking blameless, and they don't even have to pretend that they are losing sleep on it.

(08-24-2016 12:12 PM)f1do Wrote:  https://twitter.com/jaromjordan/status/7...0560144385

The 3 missing are Texas, Texas Tech, and West Virginia. Texas and TT of course want Houston instead.

(08-24-2016 03:12 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Does anybody think it's a "front" to back UH publicly like this, with someone pulling the "well, they're okay, but we'd like someone more academic," with Rice's application already there?

I'm sorry, but I can't help but think some of this is theatre. Rice is the one the eggheads would want, but you have to make it a convincing sell that you're at least trying to pull for the fellow public institution, you know?

Or, it becomes a bickerfest over Houston and Rice, with no TX additions because of the discord? This opens the door for alternatives who just happen to have enough votes, UT and TTU be darned. They come off looking blameless, and they don't even have to pretend that they are losing sleep on it.

A CUSA school is not jumping straight from CUSA to the Big12. They are already trying to beat back perception issues of schools in the AAC. There's just no way that happens...

(08-24-2016 03:22 PM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 03:12 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Does anybody think it's a "front" to back UH publicly like this, with someone pulling the "well, they're okay, but we'd like someone more academic," with Rice's application already there?

I'm sorry, but I can't help but think some of this is theatre. Rice is the one the eggheads would want, but you have to make it a convincing sell that you're at least trying to pull for the fellow public institution, you know?

Or, it becomes a bickerfest over Houston and Rice, with no TX additions because of the discord? This opens the door for alternatives who just happen to have enough votes, UT and TTU be darned. They come off looking blameless, and they don't even have to pretend that they are losing sleep on it.

A CUSA school is not jumping straight from CUSA to the Big12. They are already trying to beat back perception issues of schools in the AAC. There's just no way that happens...

I don't disagree, but this isn't just ANY CUSA school, and a reason they are (still) there is more a dig at Rice's administration not possessing the right attitudes, philosophies, or commitments toward this component of their operations.

I don't think this is the same as what Tulane's addition did to break up the Big East. Rice has allies in a lot of high places, but failed to utilize them over the years. They may now have figured it out...where they reside presently has nothing to do with it.

It's not a lot unlike UTEP's current predicament. I think they passed on MWC membership just as MWC had lost Boise and SDSU, with Air Force on the fence, and CUSA and MWC were talking "merger." The Big East lost it all, the AAC lost its western affiliates, and Air Force walked away, even with Navy coming in. UTEP looks "stuck" now, but their place has a story to it.

(08-24-2016 02:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 12:15 PM)f1do Wrote:  Swaim also believes that Cincinnati has enough votes and will be in.
https://twitter.com/GSwaim/status/768495053664718848

Swain has yet to be right on anything related on realignment. lol....MHver3 has actually been right more often than Swain.

If Bowlsby is saying he doesn't know for sure how the presidents are going to vote then how in the hades does Greg Swaim

(08-24-2016 03:28 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  It's not a lot unlike UTEP's current predicament. I think they passed on MWC membership just as MWC had lost Boise and SDSU, with Air Force on the fence, and CUSA and MWC were talking "merger." The Big East lost it all, the AAC lost its western affiliates, and Air Force walked away, even with Navy coming in. UTEP looks "stuck" now, but their place has a story to it.

One has to wonder whether Air Force would reconsider an AAC alignment if given a second chance.

WEST: Air Force, Navy, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Memphis
EAST: UConn, Temple, ECU, UCF, USF, Tulane

OR, move over with SDSU and Boise St.....

WEST: Air Force, Navy, Houston, SMU, SDSU, Boise St., Tulsa
EAST: UConn, Temple, ECU, UCF, USF, Tulane, Memphis

(08-24-2016 03:12 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Does anybody think it's a "front" to back UH publicly like this, with someone pulling the "well, they're okay, but we'd like someone more academic," with Rice's application already there?

I'm sorry, but I can't help but think some of this is theatre. Rice is the one the eggheads would want, but you have to make it a convincing sell that you're at least trying to pull for the fellow public institution, you know?

Or, it becomes a bickerfest over Houston and Rice, with no TX additions because of the discord? This opens the door for alternatives who just happen to have enough votes, UT and TTU be darned. They come off looking blameless, and they don't even have to pretend that they are losing sleep on it.

This has been discussed ad nauseam, but if you think their support isn't sincere, and it's a conspiracy between Abbott, Patrick, Fenves, McRaven, and Schovanec to give them all plausible deniability in the event we don't get in, go ahead and believe it, as there is nothing anyone can say that is going to change your mind. Honest answer is, no one knows, and all you can really do is take them for their word.

That's why I don't understand the desire to go out of the way to do the exact opposite, and comb through the back pages of the internet to conjure up conspiracy theories regarding Houston's (and only Houston's) bid. Why do we corner the market on this crap? People will believe a Twitter "source" at the drop of a hat, but the president and chancellor of the school that when they say "Jump.", the Big 12 responds "How high?", when they come out with a hard-lined stance on the issue (when they could have easily just kept their mouth shut, like they've done regarding every other school), no, that is just political theater. It's amazing.

(08-24-2016 03:51 PM)YNot Wrote:  WEST: Air Force, Navy, Houston, SMU, SDSU, Boise St., Tulsa
EAST: UConn, Temple, ECU, UCF, USF, Tulane, Memphis

I doubt the math would allow it to work (lack of revenue to justify all the entrance and exit fees), but that actually looks really good.

(08-24-2016 04:08 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 03:51 PM)YNot Wrote:  WEST: Air Force, Navy, Houston, SMU, SDSU, Boise St., Tulsa
EAST: UConn, Temple, ECU, UCF, USF, Tulane, Memphis

I doubt the math would allow it to work (lack of revenue to justify all the entrance and exit fees), but that actually looks really good.

The setup is simply the current AAC minus Cincinnati plus AFA, SDSU, and BSU. I didn't think the MWC had any sort of significant exit fee...?

To make it work, ESPN would simply not renew the MWC contract (expires before the 2020 football season) and then re-up with the AAC, based on the 14 members. The new AAC members would probably see a decent raise.

Kronke, I really think it has to do with he number of small-government folks that are in internet message boards, who are resentful of Houston "cheating" the system to jump place in line.

Yeah, it's absurd.

(08-24-2016 04:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Kronke, I really think it has to do with he number of small-government folks that are in internet message boards, who are resentful of Houston "cheating" the system to jump place in line.

Yeah, it's absurd.

If we were some ridiculous outlier, I'd probably agree with them, but we simply aren't.

Our football and baseball are arguably better right now than any of the other candidates. Our one weakness (basketball), we finished last year tied for 3rd in the AAC with Cincy (their supposed strength), have a name brand coach at the helm, and are about to pour in another $60 million into renovating Hofheinz, after spending $25 million to build the basketball development center.

On a related BYU note, their starting QB is 26 years old. Older than many NFL QBs.

(08-24-2016 05:11 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 04:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Kronke, I really think it has to do with he number of small-government folks that are in internet message boards, who are resentful of Houston "cheating" the system to jump place in line.

Yeah, it's absurd.

If we were some ridiculous outlier, I'd probably agree with them, but we simply aren't.

Our football and baseball are arguably better right now than any of the other candidates. Our one weakness (basketball), we finished last year tied for 3rd in the AAC with Cincy (their supposed strength), have a name brand coach at the helm, and are about to pour in another $60 million into renovating Hofheinz, after spending $25 million to build the basketball development center.

Finishing tied with UC ( our supposed strength) means very little when you have been to 3 NCAA tournaments in 26 years and draw less than 2000 per game.

I would expect WVU to vote no on any schools west of Texas.

(08-24-2016 07:23 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 05:11 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 04:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Kronke, I really think it has to do with he number of small-government folks that are in internet message boards, who are resentful of Houston "cheating" the system to jump place in line.

Yeah, it's absurd.

If we were some ridiculous outlier, I'd probably agree with them, but we simply aren't.

Our football and baseball are arguably better right now than any of the other candidates. Our one weakness (basketball), we finished last year tied for 3rd in the AAC with Cincy (their supposed strength), have a name brand coach at the helm, and are about to pour in another $60 million into renovating Hofheinz, after spending $25 million to build the basketball development center.

Finishing tied with UC ( our supposed strength) means very little when you have been to 3 NCAA tournaments in 26 years and draw less than 2000 per game.

There's rtaylor with his totally nonexistent bizarre hatred for UH, again.

We average more than 2k/game, but point taken. I'd agree, our athletic profile is shockingly similar to TCU whenever they entered the Big 12. Elite football and baseball, mediocre basketball, but just like the Horned Frogs, we're investing $80-$100 million into our arena and development center, and committing to the program.

Why don't you tell the board more about this year being the year that Cincy finally won a AAC game in baseball, and how excited you all were for it. Or, how Cincy has become a shadow of what they once were on the football field ever since their BCS status was taken away, and how we never had it, but still flew by you like you were standing still.

(08-24-2016 07:18 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  On a related BYU note, their starting QB is 26 years old. Older than many NFL QBs.

Yup, he older than six starting QBs and the same age as five other starters.

http://www.foxsports.com/southwest/photo...est-090615

(08-24-2016 07:39 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 07:23 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 05:11 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 04:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Kronke, I really think it has to do with he number of small-government folks that are in internet message boards, who are resentful of Houston "cheating" the system to jump place in line.

Yeah, it's absurd.

If we were some ridiculous outlier, I'd probably agree with them, but we simply aren't.

Our football and baseball are arguably better right now than any of the other candidates. Our one weakness (basketball), we finished last year tied for 3rd in the AAC with Cincy (their supposed strength), have a name brand coach at the helm, and are about to pour in another $60 million into renovating Hofheinz, after spending $25 million to build the basketball development center.

Finishing tied with UC ( our supposed strength) means very little when you have been to 3 NCAA tournaments in 26 years and draw less than 2000 per game.

There's rtaylor with his totally nonexistent bizarre hatred for UH, again.

We average more than 2k/game, but point taken. I'd agree, our athletic profile is shockingly similar to TCU whenever they entered the Big 12. Elite football and baseball, mediocre basketball, but just like the Horned Frogs, we're investing $80-$100 million into our arena and development center, and committing to the program.

Why don't you tell the board more about this year being the year that Cincy finally won a AAC game in baseball, and how excited you all were for it. Or, how Cincy has become a shadow of what they once were on the football field ever since their BCS status was taken away, and how we never had it, but still flew by you like you were standing still.

I have zero animosity for UH. Just do not like your constant lame shots taken at any school you are trying to make yourself look better than. You had a great year last year, but lets not pretend you are Alabama. You are not even close, and saying you have an elite program is laughable at best.

(08-24-2016 07:55 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 07:39 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 07:23 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 05:11 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 04:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Kronke, I really think it has to do with he number of small-government folks that are in internet message boards, who are resentful of Houston "cheating" the system to jump place in line.

Yeah, it's absurd.

If we were some ridiculous outlier, I'd probably agree with them, but we simply aren't.

Our football and baseball are arguably better right now than any of the other candidates. Our one weakness (basketball), we finished last year tied for 3rd in the AAC with Cincy (their supposed strength), have a name brand coach at the helm, and are about to pour in another $60 million into renovating Hofheinz, after spending $25 million to build the basketball development center.

Finishing tied with UC ( our supposed strength) means very little when you have been to 3 NCAA tournaments in 26 years and draw less than 2000 per game.

There's rtaylor with his totally nonexistent bizarre hatred for UH, again.

We average more than 2k/game, but point taken. I'd agree, our athletic profile is shockingly similar to TCU whenever they entered the Big 12. Elite football and baseball, mediocre basketball, but just like the Horned Frogs, we're investing $80-$100 million into our arena and development center, and committing to the program.

Why don't you tell the board more about this year being the year that Cincy finally won a AAC game in baseball, and how excited you all were for it. Or, how Cincy has become a shadow of what they once were on the football field ever since their BCS status was taken away, and how we never had it, but still flew by you like you were standing still.

I have zero animosity for UH. Just do not like your constant lame shots taken at any school you are trying to make yourself look better than. You had a great year last year, but lets not pretend you are Alabama. You are not even close, and saying you have an elite program is laughable at best.

I don't take shots at anyone.

Regrading what an "elite" program is, how do you define that? Would you say that one can win the College Football Playoff would qualify?

(08-24-2016 07:39 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 07:23 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 05:11 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 04:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Kronke, I really think it has to do with he number of small-government folks that are in internet message boards, who are resentful of Houston "cheating" the system to jump place in line.

Yeah, it's absurd.

If we were some ridiculous outlier, I'd probably agree with them, but we simply aren't.

Our football and baseball are arguably better right now than any of the other candidates. Our one weakness (basketball), we finished last year tied for 3rd in the AAC with Cincy (their supposed strength), have a name brand coach at the helm, and are about to pour in another $60 million into renovating Hofheinz, after spending $25 million to build the basketball development center.

Finishing tied with UC ( our supposed strength) means very little when you have been to 3 NCAA tournaments in 26 years and draw less than 2000 per game.

There's rtaylor with his totally nonexistent bizarre hatred for UH, again.

We average more than 2k/game, but point taken. I'd agree, our athletic profile is shockingly similar to TCU whenever they entered the Big 12. Elite football and baseball, mediocre basketball, but just like the Horned Frogs, we're investing $80-$100 million into our arena and development center, and committing to the program.

Why don't you tell the board more about this year being the year that Cincy finally won a AAC game in baseball, and how excited you all were for it. Or, how Cincy has become a shadow of what they once were on the football field ever since their BCS status was taken away, and how we never had it, but still flew by you like you were standing still.

how exactly is being ranked 2 times since 1990 and one of those in the top 10 @ #8 "shockingly similar" to TCU

TCU was ranked 9 out of the 11 seasons prior to joining the Big 12 with 3 of those in the top 10 and another where they were ranked #9/11 and one was in the top 5 @ #2

TCU went to two REAL BCS games where TCU had to actually be higher ranked than other BCS teams that would have gotten an AQ BCS game without TCU being ranked higher Vs a pretend BCS game that just went to the highest ranked G5 school

the only "shocking" think about that comparison is that anyone with functioning brain matter would consider them to be remotely similar

and TCU actually went to the College World Series in 2010 which was only 2 years before they joined the Big 12......that is not "shockingly similar" to a program that has not been to the CWS since 1967

(08-24-2016 08:01 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 07:39 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 07:23 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 05:11 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 04:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Kronke, I really think it has to do with he number of small-government folks that are in internet message boards, who are resentful of Houston "cheating" the system to jump place in line.

Yeah, it's absurd.

If we were some ridiculous outlier, I'd probably agree with them, but we simply aren't.

Our football and baseball are arguably better right now than any of the other candidates. Our one weakness (basketball), we finished last year tied for 3rd in the AAC with Cincy (their supposed strength), have a name brand coach at the helm, and are about to pour in another $60 million into renovating Hofheinz, after spending $25 million to build the basketball development center.

Finishing tied with UC ( our supposed strength) means very little when you have been to 3 NCAA tournaments in 26 years and draw less than 2000 per game.

There's rtaylor with his totally nonexistent bizarre hatred for UH, again.

We average more than 2k/game, but point taken. I'd agree, our athletic profile is shockingly similar to TCU whenever they entered the Big 12. Elite football and baseball, mediocre basketball, but just like the Horned Frogs, we're investing $80-$100 million into our arena and development center, and committing to the program.

Why don't you tell the board more about this year being the year that Cincy finally won a AAC game in baseball, and how excited you all were for it. Or, how Cincy has become a shadow of what they once were on the football field ever since their BCS status was taken away, and how we never had it, but still flew by you like you were standing still.

how exactly is being ranked 2 times since 1990 and one of those in the top 10 @ #8 "shockingly similar" to TCU

TCU was ranked 9 out of the 11 seasons prior to joining the Big 12 with 3 of those in the top 10 and another where they were ranked #9/11 and one was in the top 5 @ #2

TCU went to two REAL BCS games where TCU had to actually be higher ranked than other BCS teams that would have gotten an AQ BCS game without TCU being ranked higher Vs a pretend BCS game that just went to the highest ranked G5 school

the only "shocking" think about that comparison is that anyone with functioning brain matter would consider them to be remotely similar

and TCU actually went to the College World Series in 2010 which was only 2 years before they joined the Big 12......that is not "shockingly similar" to a program that has not been to the CWS since 1967

LOL at *REAL* BCS games.