I just don't see Neb having any more success, either in magnitude or frequency, within the Big Ten West than Iowa has. So yeah, every now and then break through with beating every West team and be competitive in the CCG.

But like I said, we already had the real Iowa. And we gained no market in Neb. Disagree that anyone outside Neb who isn't alumni takes the time to watch Neb football, certainly not on BTN. And for the lowest ranked research school??

They belong in the Big 12 with Iowa St, Kansas, and Missouri.

Back to the OP. Here's an excerpt from the linked article:

"Houston looks like a no-brainer addition. Athletics director Mack Rhoades put that department in great shape before passing through Mizzou en route to his clean-up assignment at Baylor.

"BYU has some support within the conference, too, but it could also cause cultural friction. Cincinnati and Memphis would add good markets and geographical proximity."

That seems accurate to me. I think those were going to be the 4 adds before BYU got in trouble in the media.

It was never going to be four. That was just the initial negotiating position for the Big 12 with ESPN and Fox.

It would take adding four for Memphis to have a chance. I'd say they're #4, if those are the top four. But that also ignores CO St.

(08-22-2016 10:17 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-22-2016 08:51 AM)HuskyHawk Wrote:  

(08-21-2016 07:46 PM)bearforce Wrote:  

(08-21-2016 07:08 PM)HuskyHawk Wrote:  

(08-20-2016 10:38 PM)bearforce Wrote:  Just look at their recruiting and you will find the answer is yes.

Remember they went from what was for sure at least one game in Texas to whenever they play A&M who is in a whole different division of the SEC from them. Kids do like to have their family be able to see them in person at some point and a Texas kid wouldn't have that opportunity at Missouri unless they were born and graduated in the right year.

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How have they been hurt? I mean, let's not pretend that Mizzou was particularly strong when in the Big 12. They never won a conference title. They had a nice couple of years just before the SEC grabbed them, but they were never a football power. The last Big 8 title they won was in 1969, and most were pre WWII.

Now you have changed the subject...I was specifically talking about their recruiting in Texas but since you are about the third person who apparently has missed my point I went to 247Sports and looked at Missouri recruiting going back to 2006 and this is how it looked for Texas recruits

2006 - 10
2007 - 6
2008 - 12
2009 - 7
2010 - 9
2011 - 6
2012 - 6
2013 - 4
2014 - 3
2015 - 0
2016 - 2
2017 - 2

I will let you figure out where this is trending and why.

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OK fair enough. I guess my point is, they are getting kids from somewhere, presumably they now do better in traditional SEC country. Sure enough in 2016 I see 3 from GA and 2 from MS. You're right though that they'd be better served in the SEC west. It sucks that they aren't in a division with Arkansas, LSU and A&M.

Missouri would get murdered in the west. Theyve ridden a perfect storm in the east where florida, uga, and utk have been down. Missouri had 101 points scored on them in the 2 times they made it to Atlanta. It wouldnt shock me if they didnt win the SECe again in the next 50 years.

No argument from me. I'm the one who pointed out that they really never did much in the Big 8/12 either.

(08-20-2016 11:18 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Agreed ... Nebraska was supposed to provide an elite football brand for the West, on par with Mich/OSU/PSU.

That's why the presidents agreed to look the other way on a school that wasn't up to Big Ten standards in all other senses and brought zero market.

And it has dramatically failed to bring an elite, nationally relevant football brands.


So adios to "Iowa Red". We already had the real Iowa.

Nebraska's a fairly small state, I'll grant you that. But there are Nebraska fans everywhere and Nebraska has acquitted itself very well so far in Big Ten competition. Also, as per usual with them they have not been involved in a scandal of any kind. You're really not being objective. If you want to rip on Rutgers for not being a worthwhile addition to the conference there are at least objective reasons why you can make that argument.

"There are Nebraska fans everywhere."

Again, part of the bill of goods sold to Big Ten presidents on why their small market and average research should be overlooked.

Take away Nebraska's football success from the 90's and you have Iowa St. Like I said, we already had Iowa.

My guess is t Boone has been telling Fred smith Memphis is a lock for big 12 expansion. Fred smith has been telling Memphis insiders they are a lock and thus the insiders seem confident. The big problem is t Boone doesn't have the pull to make it happen. I think no chance Memphis gets into the big 12 if Texas and ou are planning to stay in the big 12

(08-22-2016 11:56 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  It was never going to be four. That was just the initial negotiating position for the Big 12 with ESPN and Fox.

It would take adding four for Memphis to have a chance. I'd say they're #4, if those are the top four. But that also ignores CO St.

I'm pretty sure the Big 12 has been considering 4 since at least last February. I still think they add 4.

(08-22-2016 01:16 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  "There are Nebraska fans everywhere."

Again, part of the bill of goods sold to Big Ten presidents on why their small market and average research should be overlooked.

Take away Nebraska's football success from the 90's and you have Iowa St. Like I said, we already had Iowa.

What about their success in the '60s, '70s and '80s?

(08-22-2016 01:17 PM)bluesox Wrote:  My guess is t Boone has been telling Fred smith Memphis is a lock for big 12 expansion. Fred smith has been telling Memphis insiders they are a lock and thus the insiders seem confident. The big problem is t Boone doesn't have the pull to make it happen. I think no chance Memphis gets into the big 12 if Texas and ou are planning to stay in the big 12

Incorrect guess.

Hokie you get the point. Nebraska was the greatest thing since sliced bread, and indeed held the nation's attention ... in their day. Same with Miami (FL).

Now I'd say that team is Alabama.


Point is, I don't think those days will ever return for Nebraska. They still have their loyal alumni and regional fanbase, but they no longer hold the nation's attention. They a Wisconsin/Iowa level program.


Not saying that at the time Neb was added that the thinking was incorrect. It just hasn't worked out.

I don't disagree; the Mike Riley hire illustrated that quite well.

Right ... so ... begone Nebraska! Back to the Big 12 with you!

We'll add UConn in the East and kick Indy over to the West. Win-win-win-win scenario.



... that will never happen.

(08-22-2016 12:09 PM)HuskyHawk Wrote:  

(08-22-2016 10:17 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-22-2016 08:51 AM)HuskyHawk Wrote:  

(08-21-2016 07:46 PM)bearforce Wrote:  

(08-21-2016 07:08 PM)HuskyHawk Wrote:  How have they been hurt? I mean, let's not pretend that Mizzou was particularly strong when in the Big 12. They never won a conference title. They had a nice couple of years just before the SEC grabbed them, but they were never a football power. The last Big 8 title they won was in 1969, and most were pre WWII.

Now you have changed the subject...I was specifically talking about their recruiting in Texas but since you are about the third person who apparently has missed my point I went to 247Sports and looked at Missouri recruiting going back to 2006 and this is how it looked for Texas recruits

2006 - 10
2007 - 6
2008 - 12
2009 - 7
2010 - 9
2011 - 6
2012 - 6
2013 - 4
2014 - 3
2015 - 0
2016 - 2
2017 - 2

I will let you figure out where this is trending and why.

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OK fair enough. I guess my point is, they are getting kids from somewhere, presumably they now do better in traditional SEC country. Sure enough in 2016 I see 3 from GA and 2 from MS. You're right though that they'd be better served in the SEC west. It sucks that they aren't in a division with Arkansas, LSU and A&M.

Missouri would get murdered in the west. Theyve ridden a perfect storm in the east where florida, uga, and utk have been down. Missouri had 101 points scored on them in the 2 times they made it to Atlanta. It wouldnt shock me if they didnt win the SECe again in the next 50 years.

No argument from me. I'm the one who pointed out that they really never did much in the Big 8/12 either.

Missouri is doing fine in the SEC. We have already won two division titles, and getting recruits from other states now. We are good to go. We never really got the 5-star recruits out of Texas anyway. We get 3-star athletes to do pretty well. They usually pan out to be better anyway, just like 3rd round draft picks.

(08-22-2016 01:59 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Right ... so ... begone Nebraska! Back to the Big 12 with you!

We'll add UConn in the East and kick Indy over to the West. Win-win-win-win scenario.

... that will never happen.

Hey, yah never know! Make the suggestion to the B1G and NU. If they move swiftly the Big XII can take NU back next year. And then NU can start landing more/better TX recruits this year.

(08-22-2016 05:09 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  

(08-22-2016 01:59 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Right ... so ... begone Nebraska! Back to the Big 12 with you!

We'll add UConn in the East and kick Indy over to the West. Win-win-win-win scenario.

... that will never happen.

Hey, yah never know! Make the suggestion to the B1G and NU. If they move swiftly the Big XII can take NU back next year. And then NU can start landing more/better TX recruits this year.

I thought nebraska started losing when they could no longer take nq's because texas didnt. That was one of reasons they left. If they couldnt take nqs snd had to put up witj texas might as well join the b10.

Exactly. If you're not getting your PQs anyway it might as well be in a more stable and more profitable league where they don't give the media darling team an extra second after time expires so they can win.

Yeah, it has worked out great financially for Neb.

They get all the money from the Big Ten without having to contribute anything to the conf! Except volleyball. Their vball team is great.

From a recruiting perspective perhaps NU would have been better off going to the Pac with Colorado. They used to do well out their on the recruiting trail.

(08-23-2016 09:31 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  From a recruiting perspective perhaps NU would have been better off going to the Pac with Colorado. They used to do well out their on the recruiting trail.

That's true about California, but they also used to do really well in New Jersey.