It would most likely be SMU to get a hold in the Dallas area. SMU would play in the North with Houston as a fixed crossover.

Had the Pac 10 merged with the SWC (Houston, SMU, TCU, Rice) before the SWC dissolved, it could have gone to 16 in 1996 with Colorado and Utah. I'm not sure TCU would have still left for the Big 12, but there would be a better possibility that TCU would have stayed in a BCS AQ Pac 16. If Colorado left the Big 8, the Big 12 would have likely taken Louisville or BYU to fill their place. Tulsa would have replaced Houston in C-USA, and East Carolina or Louisiana Tech would have likely joined sooner had Louisville left. The WAC would have never gone to 16, and would probably look a lot like today's Mountain West. Sun Belt football may have replaced Big West football sooner, especially if North Texas replaced Louisiana Tech in the Sun Belt.


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Pretty much there aren't any schools left in the Pacific and Mountain time zones that the PAC would be interested in.

Maybe if UCSD and UC Davis had been investing in and playing serious athletics including football after WWII, they'd be in by now.

(08-24-2016 07:20 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Pretty much there aren't any schools left in the Pacific and Mountain time zones that the PAC would be interested in.

Maybe if UCSD and UC Davis had been investing in and playing serious athletics including football after WWII, they'd be in by now.

The problem the PAC has in CA is getting into a PAC school is very difficult. In a ranking of the top 100 schools with the lowest acceptance rates all four CA Pac-12 undergraduate schools made the list and have a very hard ranking to attend.

#4 Stanford. 7% of 42K applicants
#39 USC. 20% of 52K applicants
#43 Cal. 22% of 74K applicants
#64 UCLA 27% of 87k applicants

Only other undergrad P5 schools on this list with very hard rankings are:
Vanderbuilt, Duke, Northwestern, University of Virginia.

The result is CA kids who want the major college football experience have to go out of state. 30% of TCU's incoming class was from CA. The kids of 40 year old Pac-12 parents are not going to CA Pac-12 schools. This elitism at the undergraduate level I their biggest state affects the Pac-12 ratings and following. CA is extremely vulnerable to the Big 12 should they decide to attack it.

One hardly need be an alum of a California PAC school to root for the team. How many people who watch Alabama games on TV even attended the Tuscaloosa campus, do you think?

(08-24-2016 10:25 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  One hardly need be an alum of a California PAC school to root for the team. How many people who watch Alabama games on TV even attended the Tuscaloosa campus, do you think?

Almost zero. NASCAR loving hillbillies.

(08-23-2016 10:32 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 08:52 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 07:40 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Texas and Texas Tech-and even TCU and Baylor-can support Houston, but how do the members outside the state feel about it?

If Houston goes to the Pac 14/16, then the Big 12 eliminate that fly in the ointment.


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That'd be a real coupe for UH. PAC is the far more stable of the two. Travel would be terrible, but otherwise I'd prefer that outcome if I were UH.

That would be a coupe, almost as big of a coupe as uconn going back to the big East and going indy. Please,,,

I can't tell if you were trying to insult UConn or Houston. In any event, you ended up insulting Memphis. Please,,,

(08-23-2016 08:52 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  That'd be a real coupe for UH. PAC is the far more stable of the two. Travel would be terrible, but otherwise I'd prefer that outcome if I were UH.

Yeah, the Pac12 would be a coupe, while the Big12 would be more of a.sedan, but either one is a new car, better than the one they are driving.

Indeed, either the coupe or the sedan would be a coup for UH.

Considering both the PAC and Big 12 run a lot of high flying offenses, I don't think that analogy works.

(08-24-2016 11:09 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 08:52 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  That'd be a real coupe for UH. PAC is the far more stable of the two. Travel would be terrible, but otherwise I'd prefer that outcome if I were UH.

Yeah, the Pac12 would be a coupe, while the Big12 would be more of a.sedan, but either one is a new car, better than the one they are driving.

Indeed, either the coupe or the sedan would be a coup for UH.

I'm thinking more likely a subcompact for UH

GD autocorrect.

(08-24-2016 11:02 AM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 10:32 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 08:52 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 07:40 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Texas and Texas Tech-and even TCU and Baylor-can support Houston, but how do the members outside the state feel about it?

If Houston goes to the Pac 14/16, then the Big 12 eliminate that fly in the ointment.
I wasn't trying to insult uconn. I think UCONN should go back to the big East and go indy in football. That way if Memphis isn't chosen to join the big12 we'll have one less team to compete with for the last acc spot

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That'd be a real coupe for UH. PAC is the far more stable of the two. Travel would be terrible, but otherwise I'd prefer that outcome if I were UH.

That would be a coupe, almost as big of a coupe as uconn going back to the big East and going indy. Please,,,

I can't tell if you were trying to insult UConn or Houston. In any event, you ended up insulting Memphis. Please,,,

Don't worry, he'll eventually learn how to insult multiple schools at once


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(08-23-2016 01:50 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  It doesn't matter if they privately don't want them. Politics is politics.

Lol Just the opposite

(08-24-2016 10:25 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  One hardly need be an alum of a California PAC school to root for the team. How many people who watch Alabama games on TV even attended the Tuscaloosa campus, do you think?

Yes because in Alabama they have no other options. Not true in CA. See the attached affinity maps. Only the LA area is strongly owned by the college teams and that will adjust with the arrival of the Rams.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/...8,-120.003

Ah, I forgot that rule saying if no NFL team is within your state borders then you must watch college football, and only a local team at that.

Come on.

(08-24-2016 10:17 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Ah, I forgot that rule saying if no NFL team is within your state borders then you must watch college football, and only a local team at that.

Come on.

That probably is in the Alabama Constitution of 1901 given the hundreds of amendments it has.


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