According to ESPN, the move to 14 is less and less likely

But they are still interviewing 17 different schools. Obviously some of these don't have a chance in the world.

(08-12-2016 05:37 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  According to ESPN, the move to 14 is less and less likely

But they are still interviewing 17 different schools. Obviously some of these don't have a chance in the world.

It's really sad what these yahoos are doing to those G5 fan bases. There is nothing in the world more crushing than dashed hopes. They should have only publicly interviewed those they are actually considering. This smacks of Texas wanting to be the overlord so they can dole out the leftovers to the field hands after they have just had a cotillion. It paints them in the position of power that so many would want to be a part of their fiefdom and at the same time cements the relegation of those who seek their favor. IMO it's disgusting!

(08-12-2016 05:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 05:37 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  According to ESPN, the move to 14 is less and less likely

But they are still interviewing 17 different schools. Obviously some of these don't have a chance in the world.

It's really sad what these yahoos are doing to those G5 fan bases. There is nothing in the world more crushing than dashed hopes. They should have only publicly interviewed those they are actually considering. This smacks of Texas wanting to be the overlord so they can dole out the leftovers to the field hands after they have just had a cotillion. It paints them in the position of power that so many would want to be a part of their fiefdom and at the same time cements the relegation of those who seek their favor. IMO it's disgusting!

Can you imagine Sankey or Swofford being a part of that circus?

(08-12-2016 09:18 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 05:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 05:37 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  According to ESPN, the move to 14 is less and less likely

But they are still interviewing 17 different schools. Obviously some of these don't have a chance in the world.

It's really sad what these yahoos are doing to those G5 fan bases. There is nothing in the world more crushing than dashed hopes. They should have only publicly interviewed those they are actually considering. This smacks of Texas wanting to be the overlord so they can dole out the leftovers to the field hands after they have just had a cotillion. It paints them in the position of power that so many would want to be a part of their fiefdom and at the same time cements the relegation of those who seek their favor. IMO it's disgusting!

Can you imagine Sankey or Swofford being a part of that circus?

I've had some sport with Swoffy's Raycom sublet, but to answer your question, neither are even close to the Bozo / Emmett Kelly gonzo clown / sad clown routine.

It's like having a mixture of Dallas and Mork & Mindy for your conference office and the AD's. And Beebe/Bowlsby have been playing the part of Howdy Doody with a Texas hand up their backs instead of Buffalo Bob's.

According to Brett McMurphy on Twitter...

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 6h6 hours ago
Now up to 18 on Big 12’s expansion list: AF ArkSt Boise BYU Cincinnati CSU UConn ECU Houston Memphis NIU NM SDSU SMU Temple Tulane UCF USF


Looks like the 18th school is Air Force which would be an interesting twist.

If I were the B12 commish, BYU & Boise as football only with Cincinnati & Colorado St as full members. Those 4 would split 2 shares, approximately 66% for the full members & 44% for the partials. If the B12 is ever able to poach P5 schools then you could dump the partials if needed.

(08-12-2016 11:56 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  According to Brett McMurphy on Twitter...

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 6h6 hours ago
Now up to 18 on Big 12’s expansion list: AF ArkSt Boise BYU Cincinnati CSU UConn ECU Houston Memphis NIU NM SDSU SMU Temple Tulane UCF USF


Looks like the 18th school is Air Force which would be an interesting twist.

Honestly I'd love to push to get AF. If they accept maybe you can convince Navy to join also.

(08-12-2016 11:56 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Looks like the 18th school is Air Force which would be an interesting twist.

On its face, this is asinine. But with the exception that the SECNAV just granted for Navy this is unfortunately the next logical step. It will be followed closely by the Service Academies basically formalizing the exception the CFB players get on campus.

(08-13-2016 07:29 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  If I were the B12 commish, BYU & Boise as football only with Cincinnati & Colorado St as full members. Those 4 would split 2 shares, approximately 66% for the full members & 44% for the partials. If the B12 is ever able to poach P5 schools then you could dump the partials if needed.

I wouldn't touch the Mountain time zone with a ten foot pole.

(08-13-2016 09:14 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:56 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Looks like the 18th school is Air Force which would be an interesting twist.

On its face, this is asinine. But with the exception that the SECNAV just granted for Navy this is unfortunately the next logical step. It will be followed closely by the Service Academies basically formalizing the exception the CFB players get on campus.

If the academies go this route then I can see the Big 10 making a play for all three. They don't hurt the chances of their normal contenders and they add valuable markets and the following of the Armed Forces Network and global attention on the games, especially if streamed. It would lock the ACC out of Maryland, and put the Big 10 into New York and Colorado with three schools that rank around the 10th position academically nationally.

I would also be interested to see if this move means that a great deal of the nation's defense research may one day be routed to the academies where the government has much greater control over security.

Having the Commander and Chief's trophy self contained then becomes a story line that keeps interest plugging along for the lower half of the Big 10's schools schedules as they play these schools. Then if they only add a Connecticut or Kansas they are in business.

If the Big 10 did something like this then it changes the whole concept of realignment for everyone. Six Big 12 schools to the PAC then becomes a likely more desirable outcome. The SEC and Big 10 agree essentially not to go after the Big 12 prizes and we wind up with 72 schools in the P designation which is fairer, and the disposition of those schools becomes something more like this:

Big 10: Air Force, Army, Connecticut, Navy
ACC: Notre Dame, Cincinnati, West Virginia, (Baylor, Temple, or possibly Tulane)
PAC: Iowa State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech, Kansas, Kansas State
SEC: T.C.U., Oklahoma State, East Carolina, (and possibly one of UCF, USF, or even Colorado State)

(08-13-2016 10:45 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-13-2016 09:14 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:56 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Looks like the 18th school is Air Force which would be an interesting twist.

On its face, this is asinine. But with the exception that the SECNAV just granted for Navy this is unfortunately the next logical step. It will be followed closely by the Service Academies basically formalizing the exception the CFB players get on campus.

If the academies go this route then I can see the Big 10 making a play for all three. They don't hurt the chances of their normal contenders and they add valuable markets and the following of the Armed Forces Network and global attention on the games, especially if streamed. It would lock the ACC out of Maryland, and put the Big 10 into New York and Colorado with three schools that rank around the 10th position academically nationally.

I would also be interested to see if this move means that a great deal of the nation's defense research may one day be routed to the academies where the government has much greater control over security.

Having the Commander and Chief's trophy self contained then becomes a story line that keeps interest plugging along for the lower half of the Big 10's schools schedules as they play these schools. Then if they only add a Connecticut or Kansas they are in business.

If the Big 10 did something like this then it changes the whole concept of realignment for everyone. Six Big 12 schools to the PAC then becomes a likely more desirable outcome. The SEC and Big 10 agree essentially not to go after the Big 12 prizes and we wind up with 72 schools in the P designation which is fairer, and the disposition of those schools becomes something more like this:

Big 10: Air Force, Army, Connecticut, Navy
ACC: Notre Dame, Cincinnati, West Virginia, (Baylor, Temple, or possibly Tulane)
PAC: Iowa State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech, Kansas, Kansas State
SEC: T.C.U., Oklahoma State, East Carolina, (and possibly one of UCF, USF, or even Colorado State)

Bravo, JR!
I hope the PAC is paying attention to your post.
They (the PAC) could do a lot worse than attack east with: TCU, Texas Tech, AFA and BYU (football only).
That would give them pairs in Arizona, Utah, Colorado and Texas. This would allow them to divide into a true zipper for divisional purposes and maximum exposure throughout their marketing areas.

While I think all three of the academies might be a little much for any one conference (even thought your reasoning is solid) the possibility of the B1G adding Army and UConn (especially after Delany's comments about the New York area, HQ, etc) becomes intriguing.

If the B1G, ACC and PAC utilize the academies, it would actually leave enough teams for Texas to retain a harem and at least get to 12.

(08-13-2016 10:45 AM)JRsec Wrote:  I would also be interested to see if this move means that a great deal of the nation's defense research may one day be routed to the academies where the government has much greater control over security.

No worries on that front. Service Academies are Liberal Arts colleges in the classical sense that they don't offer any graduates programs by which to do such research. Post Grad school for the Navy is in California and the USAF version is somewhere in Ohio. Secondly there are too many hogs lined up at that trough for anyone else to squeeze in.

(08-13-2016 10:45 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-13-2016 09:14 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 11:56 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Looks like the 18th school is Air Force which would be an interesting twist.

On its face, this is asinine. But with the exception that the SECNAV just granted for Navy this is unfortunately the next logical step. It will be followed closely by the Service Academies basically formalizing the exception the CFB players get on campus.

If the academies go this route then I can see the Big 10 making a play for all three. They don't hurt the chances of their normal contenders and they add valuable markets and the following of the Armed Forces Network and global attention on the games, especially if streamed. It would lock the ACC out of Maryland, and put the Big 10 into New York and Colorado with three schools that rank around the 10th position academically nationally.

I would also be interested to see if this move means that a great deal of the nation's defense research may one day be routed to the academies where the government has much greater control over security.

Having the Commander and Chief's trophy self contained then becomes a story line that keeps interest plugging along for the lower half of the Big 10's schools schedules as they play these schools. Then if they only add a Connecticut or Kansas they are in business.

If the Big 10 did something like this then it changes the whole concept of realignment for everyone. Six Big 12 schools to the PAC then becomes a likely more desirable outcome. The SEC and Big 10 agree essentially not to go after the Big 12 prizes and we wind up with 72 schools in the P designation which is fairer, and the disposition of those schools becomes something more like this:

Big 10: Air Force, Army, Connecticut, Navy
ACC: Notre Dame, Cincinnati, West Virginia, (Baylor, Temple, or possibly Tulane)
PAC: Iowa State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech, Kansas, Kansas State
SEC: T.C.U., Oklahoma State, East Carolina, (and possibly one of UCF, USF, or even Colorado State)

I was thinking about something like this last night although my preference would be for the SEC to take Navy rather than allowing all 3 to go to the B1G. Maybe the B1G could take Army and the PAC could take Air Force. It would certainly be interesting.

I don't know if it will work this way, but here's something to chew on for those that subscribe to the traditional role of the service academies...

I get that the athletes are supposed to immediately enter service, but think of the advantages if the schools could get back to recruiting more quality players like they used to. Of course, in the old days the NFL wasn't a big money proposition so great athletes were more than willing to head to Army and Navy. It was prestigious, it was patriotic, and it could set you up with a nice career.

If the schools allowed players more leeway in whether they pursued pro football or not then the quality of recruits would increase. With that comes the increased competition and if Power conference membership followed then the exposure of the schools and by extension the Armed Forces could increase dramatically. The government could do a lot worse than using sports to promote careers in the military. It would also likely increase enlistments as the positive side of military life would be on the minds of the average person.

I know it seems anathema to the core mission of the service academies, but I think it would work.

(08-13-2016 11:34 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-13-2016 10:45 AM)JRsec Wrote:  I would also be interested to see if this move means that a great deal of the nation's defense research may one day be routed to the academies where the government has much greater control over security.

No worries on that front. Service Academies are Liberal Arts colleges in the classical sense that they don't offer any graduates programs by which to do such research. Post Grad school for the Navy is in California and the USAF version is somewhere in Ohio. Secondly there are too many hogs lined up at that trough for anyone else to squeeze in.

Yep, it's called congress men and women. But things change, especially the way things are headed economically. It also wouldn't surprise me to see us eventually develop research programs at the academies, or at least in a central research facility for all.

I would love to see Navy in the ACC. Geographically they would fit, and I am partial to our academies.

(08-13-2016 07:36 PM)texasorange Wrote:  I would love to see Navy in the ACC. Geographically they would fit, and I am partial to our academies.

Up until recently I would have pointed to the commandants agreement not to pursue P conference membership. But, as Vandiver has alluded to things seem to be changing in that regard. So yeah, Navy would be a great addition to the ACC too. If the ACC goes that route however they need to consider Army as well, IMO. Then maybe Air Force can turn on to the PAC. The Navy / Air Force game has been played in San Diego before I believe. If not it could be. As long as two of the academies are in the same conference it will be easier for Air Force to play them both. Conference memberships come with restrictions on OOC games. But, Navy with N.D., that's doable and it replaces Maryland nicely and reconnects your footprint without having to take W.V.U..

Comments from Air Force on the rumor of their interest in the Big 12...

AFA to Big 12?

This is a joke.

Why would the Big 12 make all of these administrations waste their time? They know who they want and anyone who says they don't is only fooling themselves. They are just being attention whores.

(08-14-2016 11:23 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  This is a joke.

Why would the Big 12 make all of these administrations waste their time? They know who they want and anyone who says they don't is only fooling themselves. They are just being attention whores.

It's a self aggrandizing stalling tactic. It's accomplishing two things for them. One, Baylor's ugly is out of the news. And two, they are seriously trying to bluff the networks either into more money or guaranteed placement of all 10 schools. I don't think either will happen.