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RE: 2016 Rice basketball Season Thread
Charlotte went 3-0 against us last year and returns several of their stud guards (including the one who scored 30 on us in one game). I'm glad we do get MTSU, UAB and UTEP at home only.
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(08-25-2016 07:16 PM)DFW Owl Wrote:  
(08-25-2016 02:02 PM)ranfin Wrote:  I will go way out on a limb and predict 20+ wins and an NIT bid.

I think one of tournaments below the NIT is more likely. We would probably have to get well into the top 100 for the NIT unless we win the regular season conference title. I think the NCAAs might actually be more likely except for our absolutely dismal conference tournament history.

I would rather we go to Vegas16 if it's not the NCAA or NIT. CIT and CBI don't have the sizzle of going to the Mandalay Bay and playing in Las Vegas--it's kind of more like a bowl game feel, 'cept basketball. I think that tournament will grow and do better as the years go on, maybe even driving one of the CIT/CBI out of business.

Think of the possibilities: if they got rid of CIT/CBI and expanded the Vegas field to 32, they could have the teams stay at different casino properties and wage a mini battle for Vegas each year. There are plenty of properties to go around and it would generate some local interest (and thus maybe ticket sales) among the various employees affiliated with each different property. I kinda like that idea: now playing for The Bellagio: the Rice Owls vs The Venetian, represented by, I don't know, maybe the Texas Longhorns!
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I agree with everyone that the team will be much better this year (assuming no significant injuries, mid-season transfers or academic casualties). The quality of the teams that Rice plays works against a strong RPI/strength of schedule to help position the team for a strong post-season opportunity. I am not sure that A. Drone is quick or fast enough to play in the up tempo offense that Coach Rhodes strives to implement, so that will either limit his minutes and leave Rice still thin at the post, or the offensive schemes will still have to be modified. My memory may be faulty but C. Cashaw's shooting was somewhat streaky, even though he led in 3-pt avg. M. Letcher-Ellis should really help down low due to his quickness and maturity/experience. Rice will really have to lean on their freshmen to develop, (Which they collectively achieved last year, with the exception of Amir Smith). Having Jackson return as well as Chad Lott will also make a difference. It will be an enjoyable season.

Texowl2, I see very little similarity between Mike Harris's game and M. Letcher-Ellis. Mike was pure strength on the court and did have good hands, but in college did not feature a left-handed game at all. All of his moves were all to the right side of the basket. It allowed other teams to over play-him on that side of the court. Further, until Michael became a professional ballplayer he did not develop a 3-point shot, nor did he try to take any, due to his role in the Rice offense. Letcher-Ellis launched 41 three point attempts last year (and only hit 8). Mike probably did not take 41 3 point shots in his entire college career.
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(08-26-2016 02:23 PM)Kayjay Wrote:  My memory may be faulty but C. Cashaw's shooting was somewhat streaky, even though he led in 3-pt avg.

My memory is that he was ice cold at the beginning of the year (first 5-8 games), but then was fairly consistent for the rest of the season. I often wondered why he wasn't attempting more 3's, though obviously doing so could have lowered his success rate.
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(08-26-2016 02:23 PM)Kayjay Wrote:  I agree with everyone that the team will be much better this year (assuming no significant injuries, mid-season transfers or academic casualties). The quality of the teams that Rice plays works against a strong RPI/strength of schedule to help position the team for a strong post-season opportunity. I am not sure that A. Drone is quick or fast enough to play in the up tempo offense that Coach Rhodes strives to implement, so that will either limit his minutes and leave Rice still thin at the post, or the offensive schemes will still have to be modified. My memory may be faulty but C. Cashaw's shooting was somewhat streaky, even though he led in 3-pt avg. M. Letcher-Ellis should really help down low due to his quickness and maturity/experience. Rice will really have to lean on their freshmen to develop, (Which they collectively achieved last year, with the exception of Amir Smith). Having Jackson return as well as Chad Lott will also make a difference. It will be an enjoyable season.

Texowl2, I see very little similarity between Mike Harris's game and M. Letcher-Ellis. Mike was pure strength on the court and did have good hands, but in college did not feature a left-handed game at all. All of his moves were all to the right side of the basket. It allowed other teams to over play-him on that side of the court. Further, until Michael became a professional ballplayer he did not develop a 3-point shot, nor did he try to take any, due to his role in the Rice offense. Letcher-Ellis launched 41 three point attempts last year (and only hit 8). Mike probably did not take 41 3 point shots in his entire college career.

I guess it is more of the you could see the diamond in the rough, pure intensity and effort, and ability to go coast to coast. He also had some decent quickness. And just you always hand to watch him for something amazing.
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(08-26-2016 02:43 PM)mrbig Wrote:  
(08-26-2016 02:23 PM)Kayjay Wrote:  My memory may be faulty but C. Cashaw's shooting was somewhat streaky, even though he led in 3-pt avg.

My memory is that he was ice cold at the beginning of the year (first 5-8 games), but then was fairly consistent for the rest of the season. I often wondered why he wasn't attempting more 3's, though obviously doing so could have lowered his success rate.

Yes, he was ice cold at the beginning, but he never was consistent-- even late. He'd have one good shooting game and another where he'd miss 3 - 4 consecutive wide open 3s.
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(08-26-2016 02:23 PM)Kayjay Wrote:  Texowl2, I see very little similarity between Mike Harris's game and M. Letcher-Ellis. Mike was pure strength on the court and did have good hands, but in college did not feature a left-handed game at all. All of his moves were all to the right side of the basket. It allowed other teams to over play-him on that side of the court. Further, until Michael became a professional ballplayer he did not develop a 3-point shot, nor did he try to take any, due to his role in the Rice offense. Letcher-Ellis launched 41 three point attempts last year (and only hit 8). Mike probably did not take 41 3 point shots in his entire college career.

While I too see no similarity between the two, Harris did take some 3-pointers. I can't find his career stats, but he took 29 3-pointers his senior year (making only 7 for a poor .241 pct.) I guess the low percentage is another thing they have in common.
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(08-26-2016 10:05 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(08-26-2016 02:23 PM)Kayjay Wrote:  Texowl2, I see very little similarity between Mike Harris's game and M. Letcher-Ellis. Mike was pure strength on the court and did have good hands, but in college did not feature a left-handed game at all. All of his moves were all to the right side of the basket. It allowed other teams to over play-him on that side of the court. Further, until Michael became a professional ballplayer he did not develop a 3-point shot, nor did he try to take any, due to his role in the Rice offense. Letcher-Ellis launched 41 three point attempts last year (and only hit 8). Mike probably did not take 41 3 point shots in his entire college career.

While I too see no similarity between the two, Harris did take some 3-pointers. I can't find his career stats, but he took 29 3-pointers his senior year (making only 7 for a poor .241 pct.) I guess the low percentage is another thing they have in common.
and perhaps why he took few 3-pointers?
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(08-26-2016 10:05 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(08-26-2016 02:23 PM)Kayjay Wrote:  Texowl2, I see very little similarity between Mike Harris's game and M. Letcher-Ellis. Mike was pure strength on the court and did have good hands, but in college did not feature a left-handed game at all. All of his moves were all to the right side of the basket. It allowed other teams to over play-him on that side of the court. Further, until Michael became a professional ballplayer he did not develop a 3-point shot, nor did he try to take any, due to his role in the Rice offense. Letcher-Ellis launched 41 three point attempts last year (and only hit 8). Mike probably did not take 41 3 point shots in his entire college career.

While I too see no similarity between the two, Harris did take some 3-pointers. I can't find his career stats, but he took 29 3-pointers his senior year (making only 7 for a poor .241 pct.) I guess the low percentage is another thing they have in common.

Stats here: http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/play...ris-1.html

Took 17, 17, 33, and 29 his four years for a total of 96. Shot 38.5% overall, which isn't too bad. Although he was 7/29 his senior year, he was 16/33 his junior year. Regardless, he still shot over 60% from the floor every year after his freshman year and had a Rice career average over 60%.
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I would never have guessed that Mike averaged one 3-point shot a game his last 2 years. Thanks for the research, 07owl.
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Marcus Evans continues to get praise from people in the basketball community:

http://upsidemotor.com/2016/08/29/ncaa-r...ans-crush/
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(08-29-2016 09:09 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  Marcus Evans continues to get praise from people in the basketball community:

http://upsidemotor.com/2016/08/29/ncaa-r...ans-crush/

Excellent. 04-bow
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(08-29-2016 02:12 PM)Kayjay Wrote:  I would never have guessed that Mike averaged one 3-point shot a game his last 2 years. Thanks for the research, 07owl.

Kazemi was 0-1 in 3 yrs at Rice and 0-1 at Oregon. These days not many NBA-drafted 6-7 players only take two 3pters in a 4 year college career.
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(08-29-2016 11:13 PM)DFW Owl Wrote:  
(08-29-2016 02:12 PM)Kayjay Wrote:  I would never have guessed that Mike averaged one 3-point shot a game his last 2 years. Thanks for the research, 07owl.

Kazemi was 0-1 in 3 yrs at Rice and 0-1 at Oregon. These days not many NBA-drafted 6-7 players only take two 3pters in a 4 year college career.

He didn't take many shots outside of ten feet.
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(08-30-2016 12:13 AM)ranfin Wrote:  
(08-29-2016 11:13 PM)DFW Owl Wrote:  
(08-29-2016 02:12 PM)Kayjay Wrote:  I would never have guessed that Mike averaged one 3-point shot a game his last 2 years. Thanks for the research, 07owl.

Kazemi was 0-1 in 3 yrs at Rice and 0-1 at Oregon. These days not many NBA-drafted 6-7 players only take two 3pters in a 4 year college career.

He didn't take many shots outside of ten feet.

A former player told me Kazemi was a decent mid-range shooter but the coaching staff told him not to shoot.
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(08-30-2016 01:32 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(08-30-2016 12:13 AM)ranfin Wrote:  
(08-29-2016 11:13 PM)DFW Owl Wrote:  
(08-29-2016 02:12 PM)Kayjay Wrote:  I would never have guessed that Mike averaged one 3-point shot a game his last 2 years. Thanks for the research, 07owl.

Kazemi was 0-1 in 3 yrs at Rice and 0-1 at Oregon. These days not many NBA-drafted 6-7 players only take two 3pters in a 4 year college career.

He didn't take many shots outside of ten feet.

A former player told me Kazemi was a decent mid-range shooter but the coaching staff told him not to shoot.

Reality is that he didn't take many outside of 3 feet, but that former player comment is horrific....
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(08-30-2016 11:23 AM)texowl2 Wrote:  
(08-30-2016 01:32 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(08-30-2016 12:13 AM)ranfin Wrote:  
(08-29-2016 11:13 PM)DFW Owl Wrote:  Kazemi was 0-1 in 3 yrs at Rice and 0-1 at Oregon. These days not many NBA-drafted 6-7 players only take two 3pters in a 4 year college career.

He didn't take many shots outside of ten feet.

A former player told me Kazemi was a decent mid-range shooter but the coaching staff told him not to shoot.

Reality is that he didn't take many outside of 3 feet, but that former player comment is horrific....

I should clarify that they told him not to shoot jumpers. Obviously he was allowed to dunk and take close-range shots.
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(08-30-2016 11:29 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(08-30-2016 11:23 AM)texowl2 Wrote:  
(08-30-2016 01:32 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(08-30-2016 12:13 AM)ranfin Wrote:  
(08-29-2016 11:13 PM)DFW Owl Wrote:  Kazemi was 0-1 in 3 yrs at Rice and 0-1 at Oregon. These days not many NBA-drafted 6-7 players only take two 3pters in a 4 year college career.

He didn't take many shots outside of ten feet.

A former player told me Kazemi was a decent mid-range shooter but the coaching staff told him not to shoot.

Reality is that he didn't take many outside of 3 feet, but that former player comment is horrific....

I should clarify that they told him not to shoot jumpers. Obviously he was allowed to dunk and take close-range shots.

I never understood why they were not encouraging him to develop at least a mid range jumper. It would have helped his game and the team's. It's not like we had a bunch of other great shooters on that team.
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(08-30-2016 01:47 PM)ranfin Wrote:  
(08-30-2016 11:29 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(08-30-2016 11:23 AM)texowl2 Wrote:  
(08-30-2016 01:32 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(08-30-2016 12:13 AM)ranfin Wrote:  He didn't take many shots outside of ten feet.

A former player told me Kazemi was a decent mid-range shooter but the coaching staff told him not to shoot.

Reality is that he didn't take many outside of 3 feet, but that former player comment is horrific....

I should clarify that they told him not to shoot jumpers. Obviously he was allowed to dunk and take close-range shots.

I never understood why they were not encouraging him to develop at least a mid range jumper. It would have helped his game and the team's. It's not like we had a bunch of other great shooters on that team.

No idea if this applies to what the coaching staff was thinking or not, but as more advanced metrics have come out, pretty much everyone has figured out that the midrange jumper is the least valuable/efficient shot on the court. Diminished likelihood of making the shot, compared to very close to the rim; similar likelihood to a 3-pointer, without the extra point bonus.
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(08-30-2016 02:34 PM)baker-13 Wrote:  
(08-30-2016 01:47 PM)ranfin Wrote:  
(08-30-2016 11:29 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(08-30-2016 11:23 AM)texowl2 Wrote:  
(08-30-2016 01:32 AM)mrbig Wrote:  A former player told me Kazemi was a decent mid-range shooter but the coaching staff told him not to shoot.

Reality is that he didn't take many outside of 3 feet, but that former player comment is horrific....

I should clarify that they told him not to shoot jumpers. Obviously he was allowed to dunk and take close-range shots.

I never understood why they were not encouraging him to develop at least a mid range jumper. It would have helped his game and the team's. It's not like we had a bunch of other great shooters on that team.

No idea if this applies to what the coaching staff was thinking or not, but as more advanced metrics have come out, pretty much everyone has figured out that the midrange jumper is the least valuable/efficient shot on the court. Diminished likelihood of making the shot, compared to very close to the rim; similar likelihood to a 3-pointer, without the extra point bonus.

Marcus Evans made a killing on those last year, probably best Rice player I can remember back to maybe Ricky Pierce.
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