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(03-24-2019 09:39 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I tend to think that a good NCAA rule would be if a coach changes schools, he/she can't recruit anyone from his/her old school.

That sounds like a reasonable accommodation in light of the way things are set up now. Although it was "within the rules" I am disappointed that Coach Rhodes chose to go this route. When hired, he didn't seem like the kind of guy who was that much an opportunist.

Funny, seems when we get a decent coach, he's too much a mercenary, or maybe I should say too soon a mercenary, since, as you have stated before with the Boise State example, it would be fine to lose a successful coach every three or four years in a sport and then repeat while moving up in success and stature. Easier said than done.

For Rhoades, I gave him a pass because it was obvious that if the VCU job came open, that was his home and familiar territory, with a much more moderate climate to boot (Houston weather can be hard for some.) So, I could not blame him for leaving for that job, but if it was some other I might have held a grudge, as some here clearly do (and that is their prerogative--I've got little problem with that.) And I did like Rhoades' overall style of preparation and offseason conditioning, which I think was sorely needed. Then again, I liked Wayne Graham, and he was certainl6y not the "gentlest" coach out there. So far, I like Coach pera, and think he is doing some of what Rhoades did not--his athletes seem so far more interested in the school itself, and I will admit being very disappointed that so many of the previous two Coaches' students did not.

Many coaches today recruit to themselves more than their schools. The system really could stand to address this in some proactive way that would be beneficial for the students than the annual transfer-a-palooza. I don't see too many of our former players that it has worked out for better--though there have been a couple (and I'm not talking about those who got their degrees and chose to move on for a last year of eligibility.)

Overall, I think the system is set up to use and dispose of most of these kids and that is a shame, and something Rice has tried in the past not to do. I want us to win, and win big, and I do believe there is a way we can do so within the confines of our academics. I'll probably never be very warm to a milquetoast-type coach on campus, though I understand from reading others' opinions that some seem to think that is about the only type of coach that can be successful here as far as graduating student-athletes. I like a little fire in the () belly.

As to Rhoades and Evans, I liked the way they played the game, and found them very entertaining while here, especially after what came before. But I also enjoyed many of the players this season, and hope they and Coaches Pera and Langley stay around to get us over the NCAA humps before moving on (in Coach Langley's case, if we pay her, I don;t see why she'd have as much reason to go--she can get to the Dance and recruit here. Only if she misses moderate weather would she possibly leave then.
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(03-23-2019 07:31 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(03-22-2019 11:40 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(03-22-2019 11:26 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  No doubt that Marcus was bothered by his leg, but this had to have been one of his worst college performances. He's always going to turn the ball over against good defenses, but you typically shake that off because he drops 20+. His value as a point guard goes down dramatically when he isn't scoring because he just isn't a good enough decision maker to just be a facilitator.

And I'm still bitter about Douglas. Even though he saw pretty limited floor time this year, I'm convinced he could've been all-conference at Rice.

yeah, that's what makes me wistful about these situations. When guys leave, they don;t realize they could be all-time school leaders at a school that will pay much more in dividends for them in their long-term lives if they but get their degrees than other schools may pay in cash upfront 9allegedly.) Yeah, it's a little bittersweet. I did enjoy watching the game, and tip your cap for the moment to UCF, as they did what they had to do. But will be interesting to see how Duke handles Tacko Fall next round.

Evans could have had the school scoring record by quite a bit, and been revered here for life, with all the life connections that would have made him. Does he really get that from VCU? I'm not so sure. Mostly, the announcers talked about all his injuries and though he had a lot of heart they seemed to sound as if his career was nearly over due to the injuries.

At times, Rhoades looked like he was out of ideas when they couldn't buy a basket most of the early 2nd half. Actually, VCU did show a lot of heart to come back from 21 down to get it back down to 7, but then they ran out of gas. UCF started the game off stone cold, but after tying it at 24 all they went on a 19-0 run, and that was pretty much the game.

I don't think Duke has any problem whatsoever with Tacko Fall. Yes, he's tall, but not terribly athletic. Even the announcers mentioned that most of his blocks were achieved with him even jumping. I think Zion simply muscles him and will have his way around the basket. Also, Duke is an exceptional parimeter shooting team.

Well, I think they had more of a problem than they thought. Shame UCF couldn't pull that one out. So close, but few will remember it as Duke marches on as usual. great game to watch though. Wish Tacko would have one more year at UCF. Where do you think he'll play next year?
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(03-09-2019 02:05 PM)gsloth Wrote:  
(03-09-2019 12:05 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(03-08-2019 05:47 PM)gsloth Wrote:  
(03-08-2019 04:51 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(03-08-2019 04:30 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Wade has been suspended at LSU. No word from TCU or Creighton.

hold that Tiger...Rice is mentioned in the story:
LSU suspends Will Wade indefinitely after wiretap report
(that's Condoleezza Rice)

think this will link back to VCU? (Or UTC)?

VCU is a Nike school, so probably not covered by these conspirators.

In this wave, probably not. But if you look hard enough, I'm sure we will find this everywhere.

Heck, look at Rice and Morcos - what are the odds that that was squeaky clean and above board?

Agreed. My comment was only to note that any VCU conversations likely wouldn't have involved these same people that the FBI was wiretapping. So not as likely having any evidence at this time. I'm not saying it didn't happen - honestly, anywhere.

Not every recruit is involved in shady stuff - I'm not trying to imply that. But it's hard to keep up, particularly at the upper echelons, without having ways to make recruits "comfortable" with joining up. We can see it with the wide range of pretty successful Adidas schools (even Creighton) caught up in these wiretaps.

update: LSU reinstates coach Wade today after NCAA meeting

The P5 apparently can do no wrong. Possible dichotomy of ethics standards--one for P5, another for everyone else? (lookout Louisiana-Lafayette)
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That South Alabama pre-med program though...

https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/...14656?s=21
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(04-28-2019 07:58 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  That South Alabama pre-med program though...

https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/...14656?s=21

Yeah, I saw that and found it weird. Chad always appeared to legitimately care about the academic side of being a student-athlete, so it's odd to see all the moving around. But some kids just have trouble finding that perfect fit. For most of these guys, these four years are the last organized ball they'll play. Never going to blame somebody for wanting to find the best fit and a place they genuinely enjoy, even if it doesn't make sense to onlookers.
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Has there ever been a multiple transfer guy that's ended up back at his original school? Would that even be allowed by the NCAA?
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https://www.ksl.com/article/46530112/uvu...sfer-again

Yes, Jake Toolson is doing that this year - going back to BYU to finish career after going to Utah Valley for a few seasons (he is following the Utah Valley coach to BYU). We played against that team a few years ago in the CBI tournament (that's who knocked us out of the tournament) but I just looked at the box and he didn't play in that game against us (another Toolson did - maybe his brother?).
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(04-29-2019 06:39 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://www.ksl.com/article/46530112/uvu...sfer-again

Yes, Jake Toolson is doing that this year - going back to BYU to finish career after going to Utah Valley for a few seasons (he is following the Utah Valley coach to BYU). We played against that team a few years ago in the CBI tournament (that's who knocked us out of the tournament) but I just looked at the box and he didn't play in that game against us (another Toolson did - maybe his brother?).

Conner Toolson ... Jake's cousin.
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(04-29-2019 06:39 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://www.ksl.com/article/46530112/uvu...sfer-again

Yes, Jake Toolson is doing that this year - going back to BYU to finish career after going to Utah Valley for a few seasons (he is following the Utah Valley coach to BYU). We played against that team a few years ago in the CBI tournament (that's who knocked us out of the tournament) but I just looked at the box and he didn't play in that game against us (another Toolson did - maybe his brother?).

Thanks for answering my questions!
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(03-22-2019 09:44 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Wow! Corey Douglas denies 7'6"Tacko Fall of UCF. Both teams ice cold. Combined 1/16. 3-0 VCU at the first tv timeout. Evans is on the floor and looks okay. Lots of adrenaline. Defensive stop making UCF run out of shot clock. Where was Havoc when Rhoades was here?

FWIW:

Tacko Tall: Celtics rookie reveals he concussed himself on the ceiling

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Tacko Fall was too tall for the practice facility. (Winslow Townson-USA TODAY Sports)
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What might have been. It's hard to read, but hard to look away:

VCU Basketball: Rams Team Preview and Season Prediction 2019-20

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Quote:Corey Douglas provides rim protection. The 6'8" junior erases mistakes — last season, he averaged 4.8 blocks per 40 minutes of game action.

“He is an unbelievable listener and worker,” says Rhoades. “He keeps improving by leaps and is ahead of the game because he follows the plan.”

Quote:The heart of the backcourt, and the entire team, is Marcus Evans. Though he produces at a high rate, Evans’ impact is just as significant in the locker room. The senior has fought through injuries to both Achilles tendons and his left knee. An injury-free offseason was the best tonic for the first-team All-A-10 selection.


“We improved his moves with the ball in his hands,” says Rhoades. “We put him in those scenarios and repped that out.”
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(04-15-2019 12:03 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(03-09-2019 02:05 PM)gsloth Wrote:  
(03-09-2019 12:05 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(03-08-2019 05:47 PM)gsloth Wrote:  
(03-08-2019 04:51 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  hold that Tiger...Rice is mentioned in the story:
LSU suspends Will Wade indefinitely after wiretap report
(that's Condoleezza Rice)

think this will link back to VCU? (Or UTC)?

VCU is a Nike school, so probably not covered by these conspirators.

In this wave, probably not. But if you look hard enough, I'm sure we will find this everywhere.

Heck, look at Rice and Morcos - what are the odds that that was squeaky clean and above board?

Agreed. My comment was only to note that any VCU conversations likely wouldn't have involved these same people that the FBI was wiretapping. So not as likely having any evidence at this time. I'm not saying it didn't happen - honestly, anywhere.

Not every recruit is involved in shady stuff - I'm not trying to imply that. But it's hard to keep up, particularly at the upper echelons, without having ways to make recruits "comfortable" with joining up. We can see it with the wide range of pretty successful Adidas schools (even Creighton) caught up in these wiretaps.

update: LSU reinstates coach Wade today after NCAA meeting

The P5 apparently can do no wrong. Possible dichotomy of ethics standards--one for P5, another for everyone else? (lookout Louisiana-Lafayette)

Well, the fans took a shot at ribbing Coach Wade at the LSU-VCU contest, dressing in FBI and SWAT uniforms:



VCU ended up winning the game VCU as LSU turned the ball over 26 times, which VCU turned into 37 points in an 84-82 victory this past Wednesday night. VCU beats No. 23 LSU, 84-82.
Quote:The Rams (3-0), whose contract with Wade mandated he bring his new team to the Siegel Center or have his school pay $250,000, improved to 5-2 against ranked opponents on their home court, and they did it after withstanding a furious rally at the finish.

The Tigers (1-1) took their first lead since early in the first half on two free throws by Mays with 41 seconds left.

"Sometimes you have to put your guts out on the court, make plays, figure it out, find a way," Rams coach Mike Rhoades said.

'Course, so far Rice is looking better in hoops after four straight wins, recovering from the opening loss to Arkansas. Now 4-1 on the young season, Rice will of course next face a test against Houston.

Too bad we Rice didn't include a clause in Rhoades' contract that he had to bring VCU back to S. Main or pay a hefty fine like they did with LSU's Wade. Would have been a fun atmosphere at Tudor Fieldhouse and Autry Court. Could have revived the Jungle Gym and turned the A/C off all day.
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Thought I'd check in on 'em to see how their season was going:

[Image: 2670.png&h=20&w=20] VCU Rams 18-11, (8-8)all alone in 8th place in A-10 currently.

Marcus Evans: 9.9PPG, 1.9Rpg, 2.9Apg*, 1.5Stpg, 2.7TOpg, 36.9% FG 75.2%FT 37.6%3pt
Corey Douglas: 3.5PPG, 2.5Rpg, 0.4Apg, 0.5Stpg, 0.5TOpg, 48.7%FG 58.3%FT 33.3%3pt
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Basically both players' playing time has gone way down at VCU as season has gone on. Would have really helped to have them here, but I know. Of course, Evans would have been done last year had he stayed. Douglas would have been a SR this yr.
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At 18-11 and #67 in Pomeroy, I'm guessing that VCU is going to be NIT-picking.
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Evans is hurt again. He got hurt in the first of 5 straight games VCU lost recently and hasn't played since. Douglas barely is playing these days for them.

The guy making the bigger impact (surprisingly to me at least) is Malik Osborne of #6 Florida State. His stats aren't great but he does start for the #6 ranked team in the country (and FSU had a chance to win its first-ever ACC title, but a loss to Clemson yesterday may put a wrench into those goals).
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(03-02-2020 07:06 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Evans is hurt again. He got hurt in the first of 5 straight games VCU lost recently and hasn't played since. Douglas barely is playing these days for them.

The guy making the bigger impact (surprisingly to me at least) is Malik Osborne of #6 Florida State. His stats aren't great but he does start for the #6 ranked team in the country (and FSU had a chance to win its first-ever ACC title, but a loss to Clemson yesterday may put a wrench into those goals).

Pretty good for Osborne. Must be fun for him. Not as sure about his academic future, but he's living for today, I suppose.

As for Evans, he had 7 points and 2 rebounds in 18 minutes off the bench for VCU during their 65-75 loss to Davidson. Didn;t see that Douglas played.

I wonder if the Athletic Dept. keeps up with/keeps a list of what happens to Rice athletes who transefer out before graduating? It does not seem things generally work out that well for them when they leave here for supposedly greener pastures. Especuially if they were to try to track what happens to them after their college playing days end, as in, do they even ever graduate from their new schools, or at all, and what may become of them after? In light of all the recent early transfers, from Rice and other places, it might help recruting if that data was available, although I don;t know how hard it would be to gather/track. At least when speaking to a new potential recruit, to contrast that data with data we are more likely to have of what happensd to thiose players who do finish their degrees here, even if they don't go on to the fantasy athletic glories, but that they do have good stable careers elsewise. I know we're talking about young men (and women, but mostly men) but it might be a service to them to give them more insight on the truth of the transfer situation and how they usually pan out, and not everyuone will play in pros, much less NBA, after their college careers are done. I certainly hope we can maintain/retain our team thsi offseason, regardless of how we do in the tournament. Building with four years from every recruit and graduating them here is our best way to have occasional up seasons that might allow us to break through eventually.
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BTW, VCU will be the No. 9 seed (and Davidson the No. 7 seed) in next week's A-10 conference tournament. Both teams earned a first-round bye. Grass is looking kinda rough over there.
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