(08-08-2016 12:49 PM)Wadszip Wrote:  ...Where was OU in attendance pre-Solich? That's pretty much what Akron was when Bowden took over. If he sticks around for 10-plus years like Solich has in Athens, the teams wins consistently and yet, still nobody shows up, then you would have a point.

Here's a snapshot of the MAC's attendance in 2002, 3yrs before Solich:

27,788 Marshall
23,965 Toledo
21,972 UCF
20,952 NIU
18,878 WMU
18,285 Miami
18,076 Ohio
17,836 BGSU
17,537 MAC Avg.
17,308 CMU
13,962 Buffalo
12,304 Ball St
11,600 Akron
10,776 EMU
8,461 Kent St.

Ohio's attendance has always been relatively good because of the band.

(08-08-2016 07:27 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:17 PM)herdinva Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:05 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 06:41 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 05:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Um NIU is in Illinois. Of course that game had good ratings in Chicago. Everyone was interested that the G5 rep was in their own backyard. It doesn't mean those people are NIU fans, or that the Chicago market is saturated dominantly with NIU fans??? NIU has been lucky to have on field success when the Illini have been trash. You can't tell me if they were in that game Chicago's ratings wouldn't have been double NIU's Orange Bowl.

Illinois played in the 2008 Rose Bowl and they did not pull twice the ratings in Chicago that NIU in Orange Bowl did. So right of the bat your wrong.

Quote:NIU finds itself in the best bowls because they have recently been no worse than the 3rd best team in the conference and they reach the title game every season! It has nothing to do with NIU beating out better MAC programs for high profile games because of their large TV audience:lmfao

The highest profile bowl last season was not in San Diego at 4:30...
Boca had first choice last season and they wanted Toledo to play #24Temple.
1.92 mil watch the Boca bowl. 2.34 mil watched the BG vs. Goso game. 1.38 mil tuned in for the Poinsettia Bowl. 1.85 mil watched OU. 2.14 mil watched WMU in their game. The only MAC team NIU outdrew was Akron and the Potato is always one of the least viewed games.

Boise State is and will always be a better opponent than Temple. But if you feel happy playing Temple, then by all means. The Poinsettia Bowl was played on a weekday in the afternoon so of course the ratings were going to be bad.

Look back at the TV ratings for NIU during the regular season and you will consistently see the games NIU was in rank highest among MAC teams.

Quote:In 2014 NIU was the team of choice for Boca but they won the MAC. No one is choosing NIU to play Marshall over Toledo or OU if they want fans and high viewership.

NIU finished above Toledo. Toledo ended up in Boca because we played there the season before and because we wanted Boise State.

NIU vs. Marshall was ESPN's doing, not a choice that either team made other than accepting the bid. If you recruit FL, and have an opportunity to play in a FL bowl, its not smart to go elsewhere unless its a BCS bowl..

Boise State 56 NIU 7

NIU 32 Toledo 27

(08-08-2016 07:27 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:17 PM)herdinva Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:05 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 06:41 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 05:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Um NIU is in Illinois. Of course that game had good ratings in Chicago. Everyone was interested that the G5 rep was in their own backyard. It doesn't mean those people are NIU fans, or that the Chicago market is saturated dominantly with NIU fans??? NIU has been lucky to have on field success when the Illini have been trash. You can't tell me if they were in that game Chicago's ratings wouldn't have been double NIU's Orange Bowl.

Illinois played in the 2008 Rose Bowl and they did not pull twice the ratings in Chicago that NIU in Orange Bowl did. So right of the bat your wrong.

Quote:NIU finds itself in the best bowls because they have recently been no worse than the 3rd best team in the conference and they reach the title game every season! It has nothing to do with NIU beating out better MAC programs for high profile games because of their large TV audience:lmfao

The highest profile bowl last season was not in San Diego at 4:30...
Boca had first choice last season and they wanted Toledo to play #24Temple.
1.92 mil watch the Boca bowl. 2.34 mil watched the BG vs. Goso game. 1.38 mil tuned in for the Poinsettia Bowl. 1.85 mil watched OU. 2.14 mil watched WMU in their game. The only MAC team NIU outdrew was Akron and the Potato is always one of the least viewed games.

Boise State is and will always be a better opponent than Temple. But if you feel happy playing Temple, then by all means. The Poinsettia Bowl was played on a weekday in the afternoon so of course the ratings were going to be bad.

Look back at the TV ratings for NIU during the regular season and you will consistently see the games NIU was in rank highest among MAC teams.

Quote:In 2014 NIU was the team of choice for Boca but they won the MAC. No one is choosing NIU to play Marshall over Toledo or OU if they want fans and high viewership.

NIU finished above Toledo. Toledo ended up in Boca because we played there the season before and because we wanted Boise State.

NIU vs. Marshall was ESPN's doing, not a choice that either team made other than accepting the bid. If you recruit FL, and have an opportunity to play in a FL bowl, its not smart to go elsewhere unless its a BCS bowl..

Boise State 56 NIU 7

He's a Marshall fan, why would he get upset with you posting NIU scores?

Hell, he had a chance to witness an NIU prison rape by his Thundering Herd anyway, he's well aware NIU chokes in bowl games

But at least we don't do it during the regular season like a certain team we know

"Maybe next year"

Sound like Cubs fans, those Toledo Rockets

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(08-08-2016 07:13 PM)herdinva Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 05:46 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 04:13 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Keep in mind that the AAC that anybody would be looking at would be an AAC without two or even four of its best programs. Does the AAC without Cincinnati and Houston really seem like a clear jump from the MAC? What if Memphis and UCF also go?

Athletic Budgets, Stadium/Arena capacities, TV markets-it's a clear jump.
It would still be the best G-5 Conference.

Well lets say Memphis, Houston, Cincy and UConn are gone (or UCF). What is left that really would cause a stir with networks and the football scene, or even basketball for that matter? I honestly don't think NAVY would stick around if this comes to be, why would they? So they will potentially lose 5 programs. Is ECU, USF and Temple enough to draw in programs? I think they would lose a huge amount of TV money, to the point that it may not be worth paying entrance and exit fees to go there.

Realignment Scenario:

B12 (BYU, CSU, UH, UC)
AAC (Rice, ODU)
MWC (UTEP)
CUSA (A-State)

MAC & CUSA both at 12 schools. Combine TV deals and have a 1 game FB & 2 game BB series to get AAC TV money per school.

Have the MAC #1 vs. CUSA #1 square off in a bowl game. Perhaps Little Rock War Memorial Stadium. A game that could draw well if priced affordably because it would be a big event for Little Rock.

(08-08-2016 07:43 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:27 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:17 PM)herdinva Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:05 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 06:41 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Illinois played in the 2008 Rose Bowl and they did not pull twice the ratings in Chicago that NIU in Orange Bowl did. So right of the bat your wrong.


Boise State is and will always be a better opponent than Temple. But if you feel happy playing Temple, then by all means. The Poinsettia Bowl was played on a weekday in the afternoon so of course the ratings were going to be bad.

Look back at the TV ratings for NIU during the regular season and you will consistently see the games NIU was in rank highest among MAC teams.


NIU finished above Toledo. Toledo ended up in Boca because we played there the season before and because we wanted Boise State.

NIU vs. Marshall was ESPN's doing, not a choice that either team made other than accepting the bid. If you recruit FL, and have an opportunity to play in a FL bowl, its not smart to go elsewhere unless its a BCS bowl..

Boise State 56 NIU 7

He's a Marshall fan, why would he get upset with you posting NIU scores?

Hell, he had a chance to witness an NIU prison rape by his Thundering Herd anyway, he's well aware NIU chokes in bowl games

But at least we don't do it during the regular season like a certain team we know

"Maybe next year"

Sound like Cubs fans, those Toledo Rockets

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More like the Tigers. Find ourselves in post season play. Usually do well. Choke on the big stage. The cubs were finally good for the first time in 10 years last season.

All I'm saying with my rant was that NIU doesnt get first dibs on bowl games because of some TV ratings bump over other MAC schools. They get it because they're always the best or one of in the conference.

Yes Toledo vs. ranked Temple was a more highly touted game than Boise vs NIU. Both Toledo and Temple were ranked during the year. They ranked most intriguing bowl games before they happened. It was unanimously the best G5 vs G5 game. It also ended up ranked 10th by espn or whoever in best games after the fact.

8-6 NIU or 10-2 Toledo. You won head to head... Great. Transitive property doesnt work always. In the end of it, we had a better resume.

(08-08-2016 07:52 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:43 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:27 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:17 PM)herdinva Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:05 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

NIU vs. Marshall was ESPN's doing, not a choice that either team made other than accepting the bid. If you recruit FL, and have an opportunity to play in a FL bowl, its not smart to go elsewhere unless its a BCS bowl..

Boise State 56 NIU 7

He's a Marshall fan, why would he get upset with you posting NIU scores?

Hell, he had a chance to witness an NIU prison rape by his Thundering Herd anyway, he's well aware NIU chokes in bowl games

But at least we don't do it during the regular season like a certain team we know

"Maybe next year"

Sound like Cubs fans, those Toledo Rockets

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More like the Tigers. Find ourselves in post season play. Usually do well. Choke on the big stage. The cubs were finally good for the first time in 10 years last season.

All I'm saying with my rant was that NIU doesnt get first dibs on bowl games because of some TV ratings bump over other MAC schools. They get it because they're always the best or one of in the conference.

Yes Toledo vs. ranked Temple was a more highly touted game than Boise vs NIU. Both Toledo and Temple were ranked during the year. They ranked most intriguing bowl games before they happened. It was unanimously the best G5 vs G5 game. It also ended up ranked 10th by espn or whoever in best games after the fact.

8-6 NIU or 10-2 Toledo. You won head to head... Great. Transitive property doesnt work always. In the end of it, we had a better resume.

And still missed out on a trip to Detroit. It's ok little brother, we'll tell you all about what a MACCG is like =)

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(08-08-2016 07:52 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:43 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:27 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:17 PM)herdinva Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:05 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

NIU vs. Marshall was ESPN's doing, not a choice that either team made other than accepting the bid. If you recruit FL, and have an opportunity to play in a FL bowl, its not smart to go elsewhere unless its a BCS bowl..

Boise State 56 NIU 7

He's a Marshall fan, why would he get upset with you posting NIU scores?

Hell, he had a chance to witness an NIU prison rape by his Thundering Herd anyway, he's well aware NIU chokes in bowl games

But at least we don't do it during the regular season like a certain team we know

"Maybe next year"

Sound like Cubs fans, those Toledo Rockets

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More like the Tigers. Find ourselves in post season play. Usually do well. Choke on the big stage. The cubs were finally good for the first time in 10 years last season.

All I'm saying with my rant was that NIU doesnt get first dibs on bowl games because of some TV ratings bump over other MAC schools. They get it because they're always the best or one of in the conference.

Yes Toledo vs. ranked Temple was a more highly touted game than Boise vs NIU. Both Toledo and Temple were ranked during the year. They ranked most intriguing bowl games before they happened. It was unanimously the best G5 vs G5 game. It also ended up ranked 10th by espn or whoever in best games after the fact.

8-6 NIU or 10-2 Toledo. You won head to head... Great. Transitive property doesnt work always. In the end of it, we had a better resume.

Have you not noticed how NIU has only played in one Mobile or Detroit (now defunct) bowl game despite being in 7 of the last 11 MAC title games? Those two games supposedly always get the #1 or #2 MAC team. It's because we want better bowl matchups and bowls know we bring the TV sets.

What transitive property are you talking about? You gave the score of a game NIU lost and I gave the score of a game Toledo lost. Simple as that.

If the Big 12 decides to expand, I expect that they opt for adding two teams, not four. I would also expect one of those two would be Houston and the other one from the following group (listed alphabetically): BYU, Cincinnati, Colorado State, Rice.

A real long, long shot would be for Colorado to leave the PAC 10 and return to the Big 12 (highly unlikely) and then also add Colorado State.

I would be surprised if the AAC turned to the MAC to replace any team they lose to the Big 12, even if they have to replace two teams. The only MAC team might even get a sniff is Buffalo and I doubt even that will happen. The rest of the MAC doesn't have a prayer, so much of the chest thumping and self promotion in some of the posts on this thread is just an exercise in futility but not a bad way to kill time waiting for the season to start, I suppose.

(08-08-2016 08:35 PM)T-Town Wrote:  If the Big 12 decides to expand, I expect that they opt for adding two teams, not four. I would also expect one of those two would be Houston and the other one from the following group (listed alphabetically): BYU, Cincinnati, Colorado State, Rice.

A real long, long shot would be for Colorado to leave the PAC 10 and return to the Big 12 (highly unlikely) and then also add Colorado State.

I would be surprised if the AAC turned to the MAC to replace any team they loose to the Big 12, even if they have to replace two teams. The only MAC team might even get a sniff is Buffalo and I doubt even that will happen. The rest of the MAC doesn't have a prayer, so much of the chest thumping and self promotion in some the posts on this thread is just an exercise in futility but not a bad way to kill time waiting for the season to start.

I'm literally just here to and try to make a rivalry. NIU needs one

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(08-08-2016 08:22 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:52 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:43 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:27 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:17 PM)herdinva Wrote:  NIU vs. Marshall was ESPN's doing, not a choice that either team made other than accepting the bid. If you recruit FL, and have an opportunity to play in a FL bowl, its not smart to go elsewhere unless its a BCS bowl..

Boise State 56 NIU 7

He's a Marshall fan, why would he get upset with you posting NIU scores?

Hell, he had a chance to witness an NIU prison rape by his Thundering Herd anyway, he's well aware NIU chokes in bowl games

But at least we don't do it during the regular season like a certain team we know

"Maybe next year"

Sound like Cubs fans, those Toledo Rockets

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More like the Tigers. Find ourselves in post season play. Usually do well. Choke on the big stage. The cubs were finally good for the first time in 10 years last season.

All I'm saying with my rant was that NIU doesnt get first dibs on bowl games because of some TV ratings bump over other MAC schools. They get it because they're always the best or one of in the conference.

Yes Toledo vs. ranked Temple was a more highly touted game than Boise vs NIU. Both Toledo and Temple were ranked during the year. They ranked most intriguing bowl games before they happened. It was unanimously the best G5 vs G5 game. It also ended up ranked 10th by espn or whoever in best games after the fact.

8-6 NIU or 10-2 Toledo. You won head to head... Great. Transitive property doesnt work always. In the end of it, we had a better resume.

Have you not noticed how NIU has only played in one Mobile or Detroit (now defunct) bowl game despite being in 7 of the last 11 MAC title games? Those two games supposedly always get the #1 or #2 MAC team. It's because we want better bowl matchups and bowls know we bring the TV sets.

What transitive property are you talking about? You gave the score of a game NIU lost and I gave the score of a game Toledo lost. Simple as that.

Viewers:
Temple/Toledo 1.962 million
Boise/NIU 1.382 million

(08-08-2016 08:38 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 08:22 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:52 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:43 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:27 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Boise State 56 NIU 7

He's a Marshall fan, why would he get upset with you posting NIU scores?

Hell, he had a chance to witness an NIU prison rape by his Thundering Herd anyway, he's well aware NIU chokes in bowl games

But at least we don't do it during the regular season like a certain team we know

"Maybe next year"

Sound like Cubs fans, those Toledo Rockets

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More like the Tigers. Find ourselves in post season play. Usually do well. Choke on the big stage. The cubs were finally good for the first time in 10 years last season.

All I'm saying with my rant was that NIU doesnt get first dibs on bowl games because of some TV ratings bump over other MAC schools. They get it because they're always the best or one of in the conference.

Yes Toledo vs. ranked Temple was a more highly touted game than Boise vs NIU. Both Toledo and Temple were ranked during the year. They ranked most intriguing bowl games before they happened. It was unanimously the best G5 vs G5 game. It also ended up ranked 10th by espn or whoever in best games after the fact.

8-6 NIU or 10-2 Toledo. You won head to head... Great. Transitive property doesnt work always. In the end of it, we had a better resume.

Have you not noticed how NIU has only played in one Mobile or Detroit (now defunct) bowl game despite being in 7 of the last 11 MAC title games? Those two games supposedly always get the #1 or #2 MAC team. It's because we want better bowl matchups and bowls know we bring the TV sets.

What transitive property are you talking about? You gave the score of a game NIU lost and I gave the score of a game Toledo lost. Simple as that.

Viewers:
Temple/Toledo 1.962 million
Boise/NIU 1.382 million

Post the timeslots too, ya pleb

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Here's just a couple links showing NIU's TV ratings among MAC teams, including the two regular season ESPN/ESPN2 November games that NIU participated in last season being ranked among the top 10 for G5. We also had the highest rates ESPNU game last season among G5 teams.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-761000.html

http://www.hustlebelt.com/mac-football/2...pn-in-2013

Interesting that BG-Toledo, two teams from the same TV market had 527K
viewers on a Tuesday night.

(08-08-2016 08:47 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Here's just a couple links showing NIU's TV ratings among MAC teams, including the two regular season ESPN/ESPN2 November games that NIU participated in last season being ranked among the top 10 for G5. We also had the highest rates ESPNU game last season among G5 teams.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-761000.html

http://www.hustlebelt.com/mac-football/2...pn-in-2013

I'll focus on last seasons thread you posted because the 2013 one shows NIU played in more big games than usual. The MAC was incredibly deep with 3 spotlight teams who ended with 10 wins (BSU, NIU, BG), and of course the Toledo game mattered before it was played. Toledo also played Navy and Mizzou on Saturdays leading to crappy ratings. Just as NIU's rating vs. BC last season was probably not worth measuring. Lynch was also a year off of the Orange bowl and should have been a Heisman candidate. I'll give it to you. In 2012 and 2013 NIU made more noise than the rest of the conference if that's what you want to hear... but like I keep saying. Success will do that to you.

The 2015 weekday list shows nothing more than NIU played the most weekday games so they received the highest quantity of ratings. Toledo's ratings were equally as impressive?

That list will always feature the better teams near the top because their games have the most meaning in November. It's the same reason NIU vs. WMU is televised on espn2 and CMU vs. Kent gets pushed to ESPNU. ESPN choosing a game, already chooses who will get better ratings. Toledo played on ESPN2 all three times in November. NIU was pushed to ESPNU two times.

Are you happy to beat out UB for weeknight viewers? Still no proof that your fanbase could generate good numbers if you didn't win the MAC West every year. Toledo hasn't been able to get to the championship and still can put up 527k with BG and technically our market should have been the only one watching. Some AAC fans tuned in though in fear for their NY6 hopes being jeopardized...Which we did for a week.

Toledo 3 midweek games. Average: 648k
BG 3 midweek games. Average: 605k
NIU 4 midweek games. Average: 519k

You have the same siclicle fandom and viewership that all MAC teams have when they experience success. Kent State had good viewership too in 2011. I bet the Cleveland market was very interested in that MACC...

All in all, who cares. If you have all of Chicago? the 3rd??? biggest market in the nation??? Shouldn't you be in the millions for your midweek games?

And why aren't these great fans showing up to HUSKIE STADIUM!?

(08-08-2016 07:52 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:43 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:27 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:17 PM)herdinva Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:05 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

NIU vs. Marshall was ESPN's doing, not a choice that either team made other than accepting the bid. If you recruit FL, and have an opportunity to play in a FL bowl, its not smart to go elsewhere unless its a BCS bowl..

Boise State 56 NIU 7

He's a Marshall fan, why would he get upset with you posting NIU scores?

Hell, he had a chance to witness an NIU prison rape by his Thundering Herd anyway, he's well aware NIU chokes in bowl games

But at least we don't do it during the regular season like a certain team we know

"Maybe next year"

Sound like Cubs fans, those Toledo Rockets

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More like the Tigers. Find ourselves in post season play. Usually do well. Choke on the big stage. The cubs were finally good for the first time in 10 years last season.

All I'm saying with my rant was that NIU doesnt get first dibs on bowl games because of some TV ratings bump over other MAC schools. They get it because they're always the best or one of in the conference.

Yes Toledo vs. ranked Temple was a more highly touted game than Boise vs NIU. Both Toledo and Temple were ranked during the year. They ranked most intriguing bowl games before they happened. It was unanimously the best G5 vs G5 game. It also ended up ranked 10th by espn or whoever in best games after the fact.

8-6 NIU or 10-2 Toledo. You won head to head... Great. Transitive property doesnt work always. In the end of it, we had a better resume.

I cant take sides in this argument but I can tell you why Boca got Toledo instead of NIU. They are trying to make it a destination bowl for the G5. The only way to do that is to put two teams that garnered some attention that current year. Last year Toledo made some waves during the season as did Temple. NIU wasnt quite up that far, now I am not talking about who finished first or second or whatever. Toledo was ranked during the year, NIU wasn't. Now look at the year before with NIU vs. MU, both conference champions, one ranked through most of the year. So just going on those two games, it gives you an idea that ESPN wants to make that a destination for good G5 teams that can draw some attention.

(08-09-2016 07:47 AM)herdinva Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:52 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:43 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:27 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:17 PM)herdinva Wrote:  NIU vs. Marshall was ESPN's doing, not a choice that either team made other than accepting the bid. If you recruit FL, and have an opportunity to play in a FL bowl, its not smart to go elsewhere unless its a BCS bowl..

Boise State 56 NIU 7

He's a Marshall fan, why would he get upset with you posting NIU scores?

Hell, he had a chance to witness an NIU prison rape by his Thundering Herd anyway, he's well aware NIU chokes in bowl games

But at least we don't do it during the regular season like a certain team we know

"Maybe next year"

Sound like Cubs fans, those Toledo Rockets

Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

More like the Tigers. Find ourselves in post season play. Usually do well. Choke on the big stage. The cubs were finally good for the first time in 10 years last season.

All I'm saying with my rant was that NIU doesnt get first dibs on bowl games because of some TV ratings bump over other MAC schools. They get it because they're always the best or one of in the conference.

Yes Toledo vs. ranked Temple was a more highly touted game than Boise vs NIU. Both Toledo and Temple were ranked during the year. They ranked most intriguing bowl games before they happened. It was unanimously the best G5 vs G5 game. It also ended up ranked 10th by espn or whoever in best games after the fact.

8-6 NIU or 10-2 Toledo. You won head to head... Great. Transitive property doesnt work always. In the end of it, we had a better resume.

I cant take sides in this argument but I can tell you why Boca got Toledo instead of NIU. They are trying to make it a destination bowl for the G5. The only way to do that is to put two teams that garnered some attention that current year. Last year Toledo made some waves during the season as did Temple. NIU wasnt quite up that far, now I am not talking about who finished first or second or whatever. Toledo was ranked during the year, NIU wasn't. Now look at the year before with NIU vs. MU, both conference champions, one ranked through most of the year. So just going on those two games, it gives you an idea that ESPN wants to make that a destination for good G5 teams that can draw some attention.

It was considered the highest profile G-5 match-up of the 2015-16 Bowl season. I think it's a great Bowl experience for G-5 schools and their fans. I been to both Boca Raton Bowls, thought the teams and fans enjoyed them.

(08-09-2016 08:27 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 07:47 AM)herdinva Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:52 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:43 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:27 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Boise State 56 NIU 7

He's a Marshall fan, why would he get upset with you posting NIU scores?

Hell, he had a chance to witness an NIU prison rape by his Thundering Herd anyway, he's well aware NIU chokes in bowl games

But at least we don't do it during the regular season like a certain team we know

"Maybe next year"

Sound like Cubs fans, those Toledo Rockets

Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

More like the Tigers. Find ourselves in post season play. Usually do well. Choke on the big stage. The cubs were finally good for the first time in 10 years last season.

All I'm saying with my rant was that NIU doesnt get first dibs on bowl games because of some TV ratings bump over other MAC schools. They get it because they're always the best or one of in the conference.

Yes Toledo vs. ranked Temple was a more highly touted game than Boise vs NIU. Both Toledo and Temple were ranked during the year. They ranked most intriguing bowl games before they happened. It was unanimously the best G5 vs G5 game. It also ended up ranked 10th by espn or whoever in best games after the fact.

8-6 NIU or 10-2 Toledo. You won head to head... Great. Transitive property doesnt work always. In the end of it, we had a better resume.

I cant take sides in this argument but I can tell you why Boca got Toledo instead of NIU. They are trying to make it a destination bowl for the G5. The only way to do that is to put two teams that garnered some attention that current year. Last year Toledo made some waves during the season as did Temple. NIU wasnt quite up that far, now I am not talking about who finished first or second or whatever. Toledo was ranked during the year, NIU wasn't. Now look at the year before with NIU vs. MU, both conference champions, one ranked through most of the year. So just going on those two games, it gives you an idea that ESPN wants to make that a destination for good G5 teams that can draw some attention.

It was considered the highest profile G-5 match-up of the 2015-16 Bowl season. I think it's a great Bowl experience for G-5 schools and their fans. I been to both Boca Raton Bowls, thought the teams and fans enjoyed them.

One of the highest in 14-15 as well.

(08-07-2016 02:17 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  The AAC should add Toledo and NIU - they're close enough to work as travel partners, but far enough apart as to not duplicate markets. If Cincinnati, Memphis, and Houston leave:

West - NIU, Navy, Tulsa, Rice, SMU, Tulane
East - Toledo, UCF, USF, UConn, Temple, ECU

NIU and Toledo could be fixed cross-division rivals in football.


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Why would Navy be in the West and Toledo in the East?

(08-09-2016 09:25 AM)OUVan Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 02:17 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  The AAC should add Toledo and NIU - they're close enough to work as travel partners, but far enough apart as to not duplicate markets. If Cincinnati, Memphis, and Houston leave:

West - NIU, Navy, Tulsa, Rice, SMU, Tulane
East - Toledo, UCF, USF, UConn, Temple, ECU

NIU and Toledo could be fixed cross-division rivals in football.


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Why would Navy be in the West and Toledo in the East?

It will not matter, Navy is not going to stick around for that hodge podge. To answer your question, they wanted to be in the west division to play western teams.

(08-09-2016 09:32 AM)herdinva Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 09:25 AM)OUVan Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 02:17 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  The AAC should add Toledo and NIU - they're close enough to work as travel partners, but far enough apart as to not duplicate markets. If Cincinnati, Memphis, and Houston leave:

West - NIU, Navy, Tulsa, Rice, SMU, Tulane
East - Toledo, UCF, USF, UConn, Temple, ECU

NIU and Toledo could be fixed cross-division rivals in football.


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Why would Navy be in the West and Toledo in the East?

It will not matter, Navy is not going to stick around for that hodge podge. To answer your question, they wanted to be in the west division to play western teams.

Somebody had to go west and neither Cincinnati or the Florida schools wanted to.

Navy happily accepted moving west because the west is the division where the other private schools are playing.

I suspect that Toledo may head west to keep the NIU-Toledo rivalry together in one division should they join. There would be ample room for Navy in the east division at that point.