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(01-22-2017 04:35 AM)army56mike Wrote:  Why hasn't McCaw gotten us to FBS yet!?! That's all I want to know!!!!! He's had plenty of time!!!!!!!!!!

I think the going Indy route is the fastest and easiest route to go. Why it's taking so long to move in that direction I do not know. It's frustrating for me since I think LU is dragging their feet. You have schools invited into FBS that didn't even have FB teams and or a stadium to play in. So if we are waiting on some perfect situation to move, moving to FBS is never going to happen. We do it or don't do it and right now it appears we are not going to do it.
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The sooner, the better in my opinion. The longer we wait, the less time there is before the power conferences fill up and Liberty has less time to "state their case" for inclusion. Liberty likely doesn't want to transition with a coach who has a high probability to be fired after this season and/or just want to have all their ducks in a row. Will the Big South allow Liberty to keep their non-football sports in the conference? I would think so but maybe not and that's a huge problem.
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No it's you guys don't have a route to go FBS yet. The Indy one requires a waiver since it hasn't been done to my knowledge.
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(01-22-2017 09:57 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  No it's you guys don't have a route to go FBS yet. The Indy one requires a waiver since it hasn't been done to my knowledge.

Before the FBS invite rule going FBS Indy from FCS was the thing to do. Now you need a invite. With all the FBS schools unable to make the attendance numbers I really don't see why going FBS Indy isn't a viable route. Not like going FBS Indy would screw anyone over. We wouldn't have bowl tie in's or get any CFP money. So getting denied a waiver seems silly since we wouldn't be cutting into anyone money pie.
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Agreed! What would it hurt to allow LU to move up as an Indy? If anything it just gives everybody an extra team to play when they need to fill their schedule.

But getting home games may be a challenge.
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(01-25-2017 05:58 AM)army56mike Wrote:  Agreed! What would it hurt to allow LU to move up as an Indy? If anything it just gives everybody an extra team to play when they need to fill their schedule.

But getting home games may be a challenge.

Liberty and other schools moving up as independents could take the money games away from existing schools, or at least drag the price that the power schools would have to pay as there would be more supply. Power schools likely would see it as more mouths to feed and potential threats to steal recruits, media attention, etc.

I think Liberty could have problems getting home games if they moved up in a messy way, such as through strong litigation. I don't think anyone would blacklist or boycott Liberty otherwise, or at least not any more than a traditional school (for example, west coast schools probably wouldn't jump at the first chance to play at Liberty unless they wanted more east coast exposure). I think Liberty would spend the money to get at least six home games, maybe seven. I'd be surprised if Liberty took payday games for money and not exposure.
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What is your opinion of the talk of a C-USA/Sun Bet/Independent merger along geographic lines?

NORTH:
Liberty
ODU
WKU
MTSU
Marshall
App St.

SOUTH:
Charlotte
Georgia St.
Georgia So.
Coastal
FAU
FIU

or

NORTH:
Army
UMass
Liberty
ODU
Marshall
WKU
MTSU

SOUTH:
App St.
Charlotte
Georgia St.
Georgia So.
Coastal
FAU
FIU
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I don't think Liberty is in either conference

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As in you don't believe Liberty would be invited to an eastern conference?
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What would have changed?

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(04-28-2017 03:49 AM)panama Wrote:  What would have changed?

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A future LU could be attractive if we win games against P5's and since we will already be FBS there would be no transition. This is a what if type answer I don't know if we will be competitive like I hope we will.
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(04-28-2017 03:49 AM)panama Wrote:  What would have changed?

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A future LU could be attractive if we win games against P5's and since we will already be FBS there would be no transition. This is a what if type answer I don't know if we will be competitive like I hope we will.
The eastern Presidents who wanted no part of Liberty are not changing their minds suddenly.

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(04-28-2017 07:16 AM)panama Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 05:45 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 03:49 AM)panama Wrote:  What would have changed?

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A future LU could be attractive if we win games against P5's and since we will already be FBS there would be no transition. This is a what if type answer I don't know if we will be competitive like I hope we will.
The eastern Presidents who wanted no part of Liberty are not changing their minds suddenly.

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Presidents change all the time and so do opinions.
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(04-28-2017 07:31 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 07:16 AM)panama Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 05:45 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 03:49 AM)panama Wrote:  What would have changed?

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A future LU could be attractive if we win games against P5's and since we will already be FBS there would be no transition. This is a what if type answer I don't know if we will be competitive like I hope we will.
The eastern Presidents who wanted no part of Liberty are not changing their minds suddenly.

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I am sorry Sir, it's a no

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(04-28-2017 07:16 AM)panama Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 05:45 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 03:49 AM)panama Wrote:  What would have changed?

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A future LU could be attractive if we win games against P5's and since we will already be FBS there would be no transition. This is a what if type answer I don't know if we will be competitive like I hope we will.
The eastern Presidents who wanted no part of Liberty are not changing their minds suddenly.

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It's clear LU is not in the SBC radar. And that is better for LU as the SBC is, and has been the entry level FBS stepping stone. LU's quest is beyond the SBC. Like them or not, agree with them or not, LU will eventually seek to be a member of the P5 club, not the G5. It's easy to throw stones at LU with their 5 year denial from the SBC, which paradoxically likely will propel LU faster than being a SBC member with their indy status. GaSt, solely due to it's metro location, will likely be a move-up candidate as size does matter in college sports, not from it's fan support or on field FB success, but metro area.
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(04-28-2017 07:16 AM)panama Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 05:45 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 03:49 AM)panama Wrote:  What would have changed?

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A future LU could be attractive if we win games against P5's and since we will already be FBS there would be no transition. This is a what if type answer I don't know if we will be competitive like I hope we will.
The eastern Presidents who wanted no part of Liberty are not changing their minds suddenly.

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It's clear LU is not in the SBC radar. And that is better for LU as the SBC is, and has been the entry level FBS stepping stone. LU's quest is beyond the SBC. Like them or not, agree with them or not, LU will eventually seek to be a member of the P5 club, not the G5. It's easy to throw stones at LU with their 5 year denial from the SBC, which paradoxically likely will propel LU faster than being a SBC member with their indy status. GaSt, solely due to it's metro location, will likely be a move-up candidate as size does matter in college sports, not from it's fan support or on field FB success, but metro area.
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(04-28-2017 09:18 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 07:16 AM)panama Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 05:45 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 03:49 AM)panama Wrote:  What would have changed?

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A future LU could be attractive if we win games against P5's and since we will already be FBS there would be no transition. This is a what if type answer I don't know if we will be competitive like I hope we will.
The eastern Presidents who wanted no part of Liberty are not changing their minds suddenly.

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It's clear LU is not in the SBC radar. And that is better for LU as the SBC is, and has been the entry level FBS stepping stone. LU's quest is beyond the SBC. Like them or not, agree with them or not, LU will eventually seek to be a member of the P5 club, not the G5. It's easy to throw stones at LU with their 5 year denial from the SBC, which paradoxically likely will propel LU faster than being a SBC member with their indy status. GaSt, solely due to it's metro location, will likely be a move-up candidate as size does matter in college sports, not from it's fan support or on field FB success, but metro area.

I'm a LU homer but LU getting into the P5 is not happening anytime soon if ever. Right now I just want to be able to win enough FBS games to make a bowl. Anything more than that is great but not expected.
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(04-28-2017 09:23 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 09:18 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 07:16 AM)panama Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 05:45 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 03:49 AM)panama Wrote:  What would have changed?

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A future LU could be attractive if we win games against P5's and since we will already be FBS there would be no transition. This is a what if type answer I don't know if we will be competitive like I hope we will.
The eastern Presidents who wanted no part of Liberty are not changing their minds suddenly.

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It's clear LU is not in the SBC radar. And that is better for LU as the SBC is, and has been the entry level FBS stepping stone. LU's quest is beyond the SBC. Like them or not, agree with them or not, LU will eventually seek to be a member of the P5 club, not the G5. It's easy to throw stones at LU with their 5 year denial from the SBC, which paradoxically likely will propel LU faster than being a SBC member with their indy status. GaSt, solely due to it's metro location, will likely be a move-up candidate as size does matter in college sports, not from it's fan support or on field FB success, but metro area.

I'm a LU homer but LU getting into the P5 is not happening anytime soon if ever. Right now I just want to be able to win enough FBS games to make a bowl. Anything more than that is great but not expected.
My post was that LU would seek P5 status, as an indy, not with a conference affiliation with a ACC or SEC invitation, but akin as BYU.
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(04-28-2017 09:50 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 09:23 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 09:18 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 07:16 AM)panama Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 05:45 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  A future LU could be attractive if we win games against P5's and since we will already be FBS there would be no transition. This is a what if type answer I don't know if we will be competitive like I hope we will.
The eastern Presidents who wanted no part of Liberty are not changing their minds suddenly.

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It's clear LU is not in the SBC radar. And that is better for LU as the SBC is, and has been the entry level FBS stepping stone. LU's quest is beyond the SBC. Like them or not, agree with them or not, LU will eventually seek to be a member of the P5 club, not the G5. It's easy to throw stones at LU with their 5 year denial from the SBC, which paradoxically likely will propel LU faster than being a SBC member with their indy status. GaSt, solely due to it's metro location, will likely be a move-up candidate as size does matter in college sports, not from it's fan support or on field FB success, but metro area.

I'm a LU homer but LU getting into the P5 is not happening anytime soon if ever. Right now I just want to be able to win enough FBS games to make a bowl. Anything more than that is great but not expected.
My post was that LU would seek P5 status, as an indy, not with a conference affiliation with a ACC or SEC invitation, but akin as BYU.

Yeah that's not happening either. BYU has a long history and even won a National Championship. We don't have any of that.
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(04-28-2017 11:21 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 09:50 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 09:23 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 09:18 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 07:16 AM)panama Wrote:  The eastern Presidents who wanted no part of Liberty are not changing their minds suddenly.

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It's clear LU is not in the SBC radar. And that is better for LU as the SBC is, and has been the entry level FBS stepping stone. LU's quest is beyond the SBC. Like them or not, agree with them or not, LU will eventually seek to be a member of the P5 club, not the G5. It's easy to throw stones at LU with their 5 year denial from the SBC, which paradoxically likely will propel LU faster than being a SBC member with their indy status. GaSt, solely due to it's metro location, will likely be a move-up candidate as size does matter in college sports, not from it's fan support or on field FB success, but metro area.

I'm a LU homer but LU getting into the P5 is not happening anytime soon if ever. Right now I just want to be able to win enough FBS games to make a bowl. Anything more than that is great but not expected.
My post was that LU would seek P5 status, as an indy, not with a conference affiliation with a ACC or SEC invitation, but akin as BYU.

Yeah that's not happening either. BYU has a long history and even won a National Championship. We don't have any of that.
I'm either not making myself clear or you are misunderstanding my posts. My thought is that the goal of the admins of LU is to be of P5 status. Not by conference affiliation, although that would be a big deal to wish for. If LU was a member of the SBC or CUSA or MAC, how many P5 game would be available for LU to schedule. Likely 2 at best. Example, App State in 2017 plays Georgia and Wake, the rest SBC conference and a FCS game. ODU plays NC and VT, CUSA conference games and Albany as their FCS. Northern Illinois of the MAC plays Nebraska and Boston College.

LU would be in the same situation if a member of the SBC, CUSA or MAC. But being indy, with lots of luck and creative scheduling, can LU play 3 or 4 P5 games? One would hope that is a possibility. And the more LU plays P5 teams, the more opportunities to win one like App over Michigan or JMU over VT. The possibility exists, which will be born out by the 2018 and beyond schedule where LU lies. I'm betting it's better than most believe will happen.
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