(08-09-2016 11:18 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 09:03 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  WVU fits better in the SEC than ACC, IMO.

There was a time I can recall when there was very little difference between VT and WVU, imho. Both live in areas where you can see the end of the world, their fans were both rowdy and obnoxious, both had great traveling football fan bases, and they both played one hell of a game of football.

When did VT become gentrified by the ACC?

Cheers,
Neil

When VT reached number 70 in the USNWR rankings.

Regarding a potential conference member in the State of Texas, aside from Texas, I actually think SMU would be a great cultural fit in the ACC.

(08-09-2016 01:47 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 12:03 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 08:55 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 08:40 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Baylor to the ACC is DOA.

I think Lumber is on to something regarding the ties between Iowa State, NC State and VT.
A whole lot has to happen for West Virginia to get a sniff or 12 votes.

I wonder if Lumber's view of Lubbock stems from NC State's visit there back in the early 2000s..

I dont like Baylor but I think Baylor to the ACC is not as kooky as Iowa State to the ACC.

Baylor has an academic freedom issue that can not be papered over and is not acceptable to Duke, UVa, UNC, GT, and others. It's that simple. You need only read their mission statement and documents related to what they considered to be academic freedom. Hell will freeze over and and elephants skate on the ice before the ACC, P12, or B10 admit Baylor. The view of Baylor in the academic world is that of a cancer.

VT was a member of the club from 1907 until 1954 when Maryland and Clemson blackballed them and UVa was brought in by MD to sustain the blackball over the Big 4's support. As remote as VT was in the past, it was never Morgantown, and western Virginia is not West Virginia. In fact the comparison is an insult to the Corps of Cadets.

It is not gentrification to welcome home a long absent brother.

I don't think anyone connected with Syracuse needs to be casting aspersions around about the end of the Earth.

I'd say the recent murders and sexual assaults hamper Baylor more so than any other factor in terms of being an expansion candidate for any league.

As for "the lost brother" analogy, I will say this - you are consistent when it comes to delusional re-writing of history. How long did it take both UNC and NC State to agree to home-and-homes with the Hokies on a regular basis during those decades they were "brothers" prior to the formation of the ACC (and dumping them entirely) instead of just playing the games at a neutral site in Richmond or Norfolk? Well, at least the Pack was a little more accomodating, allowing Roanoke to be used as the VT home game site sometime in the 30s in order to get VT games played in Raleigh.

Revisionist history as to why this was done and why UNC and NC State only had VT's interests at heart by generously doing this in 3...2...1...

Cheers,
Neil

Neil, you really are quite ignorant of the history of the Southern Conference and ACC, but that's to be expected given your background.

(08-09-2016 01:59 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 11:18 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 09:03 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  WVU fits better in the SEC than ACC, IMO.

There was a time I can recall when there was very little difference between VT and WVU, imho. Both live in areas where you can see the end of the world, their fans were both rowdy and obnoxious, both had great traveling football fan bases, and they both played one hell of a game of football.

When did VT become gentrified by the ACC?

Cheers,
Neil

When VT reached number 70 in the USNWR rankings.

Regarding a potential conference member in the State of Texas, aside from Texas, I actually think SMU would be a great cultural fit in the ACC.

It must be discouraging to have watched VT and NC State bypass Syracuse from an academic standpoint, and then to be thrown out of the AAU. Yes, must be disappointing.

Orange Fan - universities use US News rankings to sell something to the poorly educated and weak minded. US News rankings are easy to game and based mostly on measures that are opinion or just inputs.

Universities look at ARWU or NSF to measure their ***** against others. Let's see how Syracuse stacks up and you will see why you were tossed out of AAU.

NSF (Total funding for research in 2014 per National Science Foundation) RED
ARWU National Rank for 2015 - Black

Duke 7 and 23
UNC 8 and 29
Pitt 16 and 41
GT 24 and 52-65
VT 39 and 79-102
NCSU 46 and 66-78
UVa 61 and 52-65
Miami 65 and 66-78
FSU 84 and 79-102
Louisville 107 and above 200
Notre Dame 108 and 79-109
Wake Forest 111 and 126-146
Clemson 117 and 126-146
Syracuse 170 and 126-146
BC 195 and 126-146

So other than a lot of mouth and claiming to know things from afar, and claiming to know more than people who have actually worked with or know former Athletic Directors, or President, or Chancellors, or ACC officials, what is it that Syracuse actually does - education wise?

Whatever your are doing it's not working.

(08-09-2016 04:58 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 01:59 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 11:18 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 09:03 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  WVU fits better in the SEC than ACC, IMO.

There was a time I can recall when there was very little difference between VT and WVU, imho. Both live in areas where you can see the end of the world, their fans were both rowdy and obnoxious, both had great traveling football fan bases, and they both played one hell of a game of football.

When did VT become gentrified by the ACC?

Cheers,
Neil

When VT reached number 70 in the USNWR rankings.

Regarding a potential conference member in the State of Texas, aside from Texas, I actually think SMU would be a great cultural fit in the ACC.

It must be discouraging to have watched VT and NC State bypass Syracuse from an academic standpoint, and then to be thrown out of the AAU. Yes, must be disappointing.

Orange Fan - universities use US News rankings to sell something to the poorly educated and weak minded. US News rankings are easy to game and based mostly on measures that are opinion or just inputs.

Universities look at ARWU or NSF to measure their ***** against others. Let's see how Syracuse stacks up and you will see why you were tossed out of AAU.

NSF (Total funding for research in 2014 per National Science Foundation) RED
ARWU National Rank for 2015 - Black

Duke 7 and 23
UNC 8 and 29
Pitt 16 and 41
GT 24 and 52-65
VT 39 and 79-102
NCSU 46 and 66-78
UVa 61 and 52-65
Miami 65 and 66-78
FSU 84 and 79-102
Louisville 107 and above 200
Notre Dame 108 and 79-109
Wake Forest 111 and 126-146
Clemson 117 and 126-146
Syracuse 170 and 126-146
BC 195 and 126-146

So other than a lot of mouth and claiming to know things from afar, and claiming to know more than people who have actually worked with or know former Athletic Directors, or President, or Chancellors, or ACC officials, what is it that Syracuse actually does - education wise?

Whatever your are doing it's not working.

The "T" in VT stands for "tech" - or, if you'd rather, the "p" in VPI stands for "polytechnic." That means Virginia Tech is an engineering-heavy school. Of course they're going to do well on the arbitrary ranking system that you used that places a heavy emphasis on research over actual education. Apparently that subtlety is lost on you.

And your criticism of the USNWR rankings shows a complete lack of understanding of basic statistics, which is ironic given your affinity for STEM schools.

That said, Neil's statement about VT was a little heavy-handed.

*This was typed on a phone. I'm sure typos abound.

(08-09-2016 04:58 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 01:59 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 11:18 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 09:03 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  WVU fits better in the SEC than ACC, IMO.

There was a time I can recall when there was very little difference between VT and WVU, imho. Both live in areas where you can see the end of the world, their fans were both rowdy and obnoxious, both had great traveling football fan bases, and they both played one hell of a game of football.

When did VT become gentrified by the ACC?

Cheers,
Neil

When VT reached number 70 in the USNWR rankings.

Regarding a potential conference member in the State of Texas, aside from Texas, I actually think SMU would be a great cultural fit in the ACC.

It must be discouraging to have watched VT and NC State bypass Syracuse from an academic standpoint, and then to be thrown out of the AAU. Yes, must be disappointing.

Orange Fan - universities use US News rankings to sell something to the poorly educated and weak minded. US News rankings are easy to game and based mostly on measures that are opinion or just inputs.

Universities look at ARWU or NSF to measure their ***** against others. Let's see how Syracuse stacks up and you will see why you were tossed out of AAU.

NSF (Total funding for research in 2014 per National Science Foundation) RED
ARWU National Rank for 2015 - Black

Duke 7 and 23
UNC 8 and 29
Pitt 16 and 41
GT 24 and 52-65
VT 39 and 79-102
NCSU 46 and 66-78
UVa 61 and 52-65
Miami 65 and 66-78
FSU 84 and 79-102
Louisville 107 and above 200
Notre Dame 108 and 79-109
Wake Forest 111 and 126-146
Clemson 117 and 126-146
Syracuse 170 and 126-146
BC 195 and 126-146

So other than a lot of mouth and claiming to know things from afar, and claiming to know more than people who have actually worked with or know former Athletic Directors, or President, or Chancellors, or ACC officials, what is it that Syracuse actually does - education wise?

Whatever your are doing it's not working.

Syracuse has definitely not kept up with the Joneses as a major research institution. We surrendered our AAU membership a few years back in recognition of this fact. We're certainly hurt, among other things, by the fact that we sold our medical school to SUNY many years back. Research, however, is only one aspect of the mission of a college or university. The USNWR ratings are more focused on the quality of a school in performing its teaching mission rather than the research mission. These ratings are not always correlated, as demonstrated by BC's poor ranking as research institution as well. I'm sure Amherst, Williams or Bowdoin would rank far worse than BC or Syracuse as research institutions, but are equivalent to Duke for the undergraduate education provided.

Forbes, which ranks the value of the education received from the school, ranks the ACC members are as follows:

13. Notre Dame
22. BC
26. Duke
36. UVA
47. UNC
61. Wake
89. Georgia Tech
112. Miami
118. VT
144. SU
168. Clemson
177. FSU
189. NC St.
204. Pitt
494. Louisville

http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinehowa...thodology/

(08-10-2016 07:35 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 04:58 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 01:59 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 11:18 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 09:03 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  WVU fits better in the SEC than ACC, IMO.

There was a time I can recall when there was very little difference between VT and WVU, imho. Both live in areas where you can see the end of the world, their fans were both rowdy and obnoxious, both had great traveling football fan bases, and they both played one hell of a game of football.

When did VT become gentrified by the ACC?

Cheers,
Neil

When VT reached number 70 in the USNWR rankings.

Regarding a potential conference member in the State of Texas, aside from Texas, I actually think SMU would be a great cultural fit in the ACC.

It must be discouraging to have watched VT and NC State bypass Syracuse from an academic standpoint, and then to be thrown out of the AAU. Yes, must be disappointing.

Orange Fan - universities use US News rankings to sell something to the poorly educated and weak minded. US News rankings are easy to game and based mostly on measures that are opinion or just inputs.

Universities look at ARWU or NSF to measure their ***** against others. Let's see how Syracuse stacks up and you will see why you were tossed out of AAU.

NSF (Total funding for research in 2014 per National Science Foundation) RED
ARWU National Rank for 2015 - Black

Duke 7 and 23
UNC 8 and 29
Pitt 16 and 41
GT 24 and 52-65
VT 39 and 79-102
NCSU 46 and 66-78
UVa 61 and 52-65
Miami 65 and 66-78
FSU 84 and 79-102
Louisville 107 and above 200
Notre Dame 108 and 79-109
Wake Forest 111 and 126-146
Clemson 117 and 126-146
Syracuse 170 and 126-146
BC 195 and 126-146

So other than a lot of mouth and claiming to know things from afar, and claiming to know more than people who have actually worked with or know former Athletic Directors, or President, or Chancellors, or ACC officials, what is it that Syracuse actually does - education wise?

Whatever your are doing it's not working.

The "T" in VT stands for "tech" - or, if you'd rather, the "p" in VPI stands for "polytechnic." That means Virginia Tech is an engineering-heavy school. Of course they're going to do well on the arbitrary ranking system that you used that places a heavy emphasis on research over actual education. Apparently that subtlety is lost on you.

And your criticism of the USNWR rankings shows a complete lack of understanding of basic statistics, which is ironic given your affinity for STEM schools.

That said, Neil's statement about VT was a little heavy-handed.

*This was typed on a phone. I'm sure typos abound.

No, Lumber is correct. USNWR is not well respected among admission deans and such... at least it wasn't 10 years ago. Too much BS that is easily manipulated and once one school starts with the BS all the others are forced to do the same or their ranking drops in USNWR and people start banging on their doors asking WHY!!!

(08-09-2016 01:47 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 12:03 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 08:55 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 08:40 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Baylor to the ACC is DOA.

I think Lumber is on to something regarding the ties between Iowa State, NC State and VT.
A whole lot has to happen for West Virginia to get a sniff or 12 votes.

I wonder if Lumber's view of Lubbock stems from NC State's visit there back in the early 2000s..

I dont like Baylor but I think Baylor to the ACC is not as kooky as Iowa State to the ACC.

Baylor has an academic freedom issue that can not be papered over and is not acceptable to Duke, UVa, UNC, GT, and others. It's that simple. You need only read their mission statement and documents related to what they considered to be academic freedom. Hell will freeze over and and elephants skate on the ice before the ACC, P12, or B10 admit Baylor. The view of Baylor in the academic world is that of a cancer.

VT was a member of the club from 1907 until 1954 when Maryland and Clemson blackballed them and UVa was brought in by MD to sustain the blackball over the Big 4's support. As remote as VT was in the past, it was never Morgantown, and western Virginia is not West Virginia. In fact the comparison is an insult to the Corps of Cadets.

It is not gentrification to welcome home a long absent brother.

I don't think anyone connected with Syracuse needs to be casting aspersions around about the end of the Earth.

I'd say the recent murders and sexual assaults hamper Baylor more so than any other factor in terms of being an expansion candidate for any league.

As for "the lost brother" analogy, I will say this - you are consistent when it comes to delusional re-writing of history. How long did it take both UNC and NC State to agree to home-and-homes with the Hokies on a regular basis during those decades they were "brothers" prior to the formation of the ACC (and dumping them entirely) instead of just playing the games at a neutral site in Richmond or Norfolk? Well, at least the Pack was a little more accomodating, allowing Roanoke to be used as the VT home game site sometime in the 30s in order to get VT games played in Raleigh.

Revisionist history as to why this was done and why UNC and NC State only had VT's interests at heart by generously doing this in 3...2...1...

Cheers,
Neil

UNC pushed for both VaTech and WVU to be admitted into the ACC at its foundation.

(08-09-2016 12:03 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 08:55 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 08:40 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Baylor to the ACC is DOA.

I think Lumber is on to something regarding the ties between Iowa State, NC State and VT.
A whole lot has to happen for West Virginia to get a sniff or 12 votes.

I wonder if Lumber's view of Lubbock stems from NC State's visit there back in the early 2000s..

I dont like Baylor but I think Baylor to the ACC is not as kooky as Iowa State to the ACC.

Baylor has an academic freedom issue that can not be papered over and is not acceptable to Duke, UVa, UNC, GT, and others. It's that simple. You need only read their mission statement and documents related to what they considered to be academic freedom. Hell will freeze over and and elephants skate on the ice before the ACC, P12, or B10 admit Baylor. The view of Baylor in the academic world is that of a cancer.

VT was a member of the club from 1907 until 1954 when Maryland and Clemson blackballed them and UVa was brought in by MD to sustain the blackball over the Big 4's support. As remote as VT was in the past, it was never Morgantown, and western Virginia is not West Virginia. In fact the comparison is an insult to the Corps of Cadets.

It is not gentrification to welcome home a long absent brother.

I don't think anyone connected with Syracuse needs to be casting aspersions around about the end of the Earth.

(08-10-2016 07:35 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 04:58 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 01:59 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 11:18 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 09:03 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  WVU fits better in the SEC than ACC, IMO.

There was a time I can recall when there was very little difference between VT and WVU, imho. Both live in areas where you can see the end of the world, their fans were both rowdy and obnoxious, both had great traveling football fan bases, and they both played one hell of a game of football.

When did VT become gentrified by the ACC?

Cheers,
Neil

When VT reached number 70 in the USNWR rankings.

Regarding a potential conference member in the State of Texas, aside from Texas, I actually think SMU would be a great cultural fit in the ACC.

It must be discouraging to have watched VT and NC State bypass Syracuse from an academic standpoint, and then to be thrown out of the AAU. Yes, must be disappointing.

Orange Fan - universities use US News rankings to sell something to the poorly educated and weak minded. US News rankings are easy to game and based mostly on measures that are opinion or just inputs.

Universities look at ARWU or NSF to measure their ***** against others. Let's see how Syracuse stacks up and you will see why you were tossed out of AAU.

NSF (Total funding for research in 2014 per National Science Foundation) RED
ARWU National Rank for 2015 - Black

Duke 7 and 23
UNC 8 and 29
Pitt 16 and 41
GT 24 and 52-65
VT 39 and 79-102
NCSU 46 and 66-78
UVa 61 and 52-65
Miami 65 and 66-78
FSU 84 and 79-102
Louisville 107 and above 200
Notre Dame 108 and 79-109
Wake Forest 111 and 126-146
Clemson 117 and 126-146
Syracuse 170 and 126-146
BC 195 and 126-146

So other than a lot of mouth and claiming to know things from afar, and claiming to know more than people who have actually worked with or know former Athletic Directors, or President, or Chancellors, or ACC officials, what is it that Syracuse actually does - education wise?

Whatever your are doing it's not working.

The "T" in VT stands for "tech" - or, if you'd rather, the "p" in VPI stands for "polytechnic." That means Virginia Tech is an engineering-heavy school. Of course they're going to do well on the arbitrary ranking system that you used that places a heavy emphasis on research over actual education. Apparently that subtlety is lost on you.

And your criticism of the USNWR rankings shows a complete lack of understanding of basic statistics, which is ironic given your affinity for STEM schools.

That said, Neil's statement about VT was a little heavy-handed.

*This was typed on a phone. I'm sure typos abound.

Not sure if this is relevant, but this is not the first time Syracuse fans have looked down their noses at Virginia Tech. The comments from their fan site on SB Nation was fairly negative of people who live in Blacksburg, VA when they first joined the ACC.

What I found so sad is that I've found it to be quite the opposite. Never have I felt more at home and welcomed than during my three years at Virginia Tech. People were kind and welcoming, even when I ventured out of Blacksburg and visited some of the small towns surrounding Virginia Tech. Can't say I ever felt so welcomed and met more friendly people even when compared to my time growing up in San Jose, CA.

Here is a link to what I'm talking about:
Troy Nunez is an absolute magician

Not only did UNC nominate VT in 1954, State and Wake seconded the motion. It died 4-4 because MD had already brought in UVa, who also wanted to keep VPISU out. State continued to play VT in football for nearly a decade after the blackball. And if you wanted to play Duke and UNC back in the 30's and 40's, you usually did it a their place since Kenan and Wallace Wade were real football stadiums, not tiny cracker boxes. Furthermore, Raleigh was such a small town that playing a football game in Richmond or the Tidewater was seen as a highlight for NC State College and VT.

The relationship between VT and UNC/NC State/WF is in the business world along the NC/Va boarder because all along the boarder are a set of urban centers that are not twins but separate attractors. Danville, Martisville, and the Hampton Roads area has an economic attraction into North Carolina. Mount Airy, Winston-Salem, Greensboro, Durham, and Roanake Rapids attracts from Virginia.

It's not much different than the Charlotte and Myrtle Beach and the overlap between Tar Heels and Sandlappers in business.

Syracuse is so spatially isolated and most of the boarder between PA and NY so sparsely populated that you would not have a similar experience.

(08-10-2016 01:39 PM)JAE_VT Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 12:03 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 08:55 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 08:40 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Baylor to the ACC is DOA.

I think Lumber is on to something regarding the ties between Iowa State, NC State and VT.
A whole lot has to happen for West Virginia to get a sniff or 12 votes.

I wonder if Lumber's view of Lubbock stems from NC State's visit there back in the early 2000s..

I dont like Baylor but I think Baylor to the ACC is not as kooky as Iowa State to the ACC.

Baylor has an academic freedom issue that can not be papered over and is not acceptable to Duke, UVa, UNC, GT, and others. It's that simple. You need only read their mission statement and documents related to what they considered to be academic freedom. Hell will freeze over and and elephants skate on the ice before the ACC, P12, or B10 admit Baylor. The view of Baylor in the academic world is that of a cancer.

VT was a member of the club from 1907 until 1954 when Maryland and Clemson blackballed them and UVa was brought in by MD to sustain the blackball over the Big 4's support. As remote as VT was in the past, it was never Morgantown, and western Virginia is not West Virginia. In fact the comparison is an insult to the Corps of Cadets.

It is not gentrification to welcome home a long absent brother.

I don't think anyone connected with Syracuse needs to be casting aspersions around about the end of the Earth.

(08-10-2016 07:35 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 04:58 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 01:59 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 11:18 AM)omniorange Wrote:  There was a time I can recall when there was very little difference between VT and WVU, imho. Both live in areas where you can see the end of the world, their fans were both rowdy and obnoxious, both had great traveling football fan bases, and they both played one hell of a game of football.

When did VT become gentrified by the ACC?

Cheers,
Neil

When VT reached number 70 in the USNWR rankings.

Regarding a potential conference member in the State of Texas, aside from Texas, I actually think SMU would be a great cultural fit in the ACC.

It must be discouraging to have watched VT and NC State bypass Syracuse from an academic standpoint, and then to be thrown out of the AAU. Yes, must be disappointing.

Orange Fan - universities use US News rankings to sell something to the poorly educated and weak minded. US News rankings are easy to game and based mostly on measures that are opinion or just inputs.

Universities look at ARWU or NSF to measure their ***** against others. Let's see how Syracuse stacks up and you will see why you were tossed out of AAU.

NSF (Total funding for research in 2014 per National Science Foundation) RED
ARWU National Rank for 2015 - Black

Duke 7 and 23
UNC 8 and 29
Pitt 16 and 41
GT 24 and 52-65
VT 39 and 79-102
NCSU 46 and 66-78
UVa 61 and 52-65
Miami 65 and 66-78
FSU 84 and 79-102
Louisville 107 and above 200
Notre Dame 108 and 79-109
Wake Forest 111 and 126-146
Clemson 117 and 126-146
Syracuse 170 and 126-146
BC 195 and 126-146

So other than a lot of mouth and claiming to know things from afar, and claiming to know more than people who have actually worked with or know former Athletic Directors, or President, or Chancellors, or ACC officials, what is it that Syracuse actually does - education wise?

Whatever your are doing it's not working.

The "T" in VT stands for "tech" - or, if you'd rather, the "p" in VPI stands for "polytechnic." That means Virginia Tech is an engineering-heavy school. Of course they're going to do well on the arbitrary ranking system that you used that places a heavy emphasis on research over actual education. Apparently that subtlety is lost on you.

And your criticism of the USNWR rankings shows a complete lack of understanding of basic statistics, which is ironic given your affinity for STEM schools.

That said, Neil's statement about VT was a little heavy-handed.

*This was typed on a phone. I'm sure typos abound.

Not sure if this is relevant, but this is not the first time Syracuse fans have looked down their noses at Virginia Tech. The comments from their fan site on SB Nation was fairly negative of people who live in Blacksburg, VA when they first joined the ACC.

What I found so sad is that I've found it to be quite the opposite. Never have I felt more at home and welcomed than during my three years at Virginia Tech. People were kind and welcoming, even when I ventured out of Blacksburg and visited some of the small towns surrounding Virginia Tech. Can't say I ever felt so welcomed and met more friendly people even when compared to my time growing up in San Jose, CA.

Here is a link to what I'm talking about:
Troy Nunez is an absolute magician

Wow those comments at the linked NunesMagician article is your proof?

The season can't start soon enough.....

(08-10-2016 06:18 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The season can't start soon enough.....

You can say that again!

(08-10-2016 01:39 PM)JAE_VT Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 12:03 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 08:55 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 08:40 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Baylor to the ACC is DOA.

I think Lumber is on to something regarding the ties between Iowa State, NC State and VT.
A whole lot has to happen for West Virginia to get a sniff or 12 votes.

I wonder if Lumber's view of Lubbock stems from NC State's visit there back in the early 2000s..

I dont like Baylor but I think Baylor to the ACC is not as kooky as Iowa State to the ACC.

Baylor has an academic freedom issue that can not be papered over and is not acceptable to Duke, UVa, UNC, GT, and others. It's that simple. You need only read their mission statement and documents related to what they considered to be academic freedom. Hell will freeze over and and elephants skate on the ice before the ACC, P12, or B10 admit Baylor. The view of Baylor in the academic world is that of a cancer.

VT was a member of the club from 1907 until 1954 when Maryland and Clemson blackballed them and UVa was brought in by MD to sustain the blackball over the Big 4's support. As remote as VT was in the past, it was never Morgantown, and western Virginia is not West Virginia. In fact the comparison is an insult to the Corps of Cadets.

It is not gentrification to welcome home a long absent brother.

I don't think anyone connected with Syracuse needs to be casting aspersions around about the end of the Earth.

(08-10-2016 07:35 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 04:58 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 01:59 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 11:18 AM)omniorange Wrote:  There was a time I can recall when there was very little difference between VT and WVU, imho. Both live in areas where you can see the end of the world, their fans were both rowdy and obnoxious, both had great traveling football fan bases, and they both played one hell of a game of football.

When did VT become gentrified by the ACC?

Cheers,
Neil

When VT reached number 70 in the USNWR rankings.

Regarding a potential conference member in the State of Texas, aside from Texas, I actually think SMU would be a great cultural fit in the ACC.

It must be discouraging to have watched VT and NC State bypass Syracuse from an academic standpoint, and then to be thrown out of the AAU. Yes, must be disappointing.

Orange Fan - universities use US News rankings to sell something to the poorly educated and weak minded. US News rankings are easy to game and based mostly on measures that are opinion or just inputs.

Universities look at ARWU or NSF to measure their ***** against others. Let's see how Syracuse stacks up and you will see why you were tossed out of AAU.

NSF (Total funding for research in 2014 per National Science Foundation) RED
ARWU National Rank for 2015 - Black

Duke 7 and 23
UNC 8 and 29
Pitt 16 and 41
GT 24 and 52-65
VT 39 and 79-102
NCSU 46 and 66-78
UVa 61 and 52-65
Miami 65 and 66-78
FSU 84 and 79-102
Louisville 107 and above 200
Notre Dame 108 and 79-109
Wake Forest 111 and 126-146
Clemson 117 and 126-146
Syracuse 170 and 126-146
BC 195 and 126-146

So other than a lot of mouth and claiming to know things from afar, and claiming to know more than people who have actually worked with or know former Athletic Directors, or President, or Chancellors, or ACC officials, what is it that Syracuse actually does - education wise?

Whatever your are doing it's not working.

The "T" in VT stands for "tech" - or, if you'd rather, the "p" in VPI stands for "polytechnic." That means Virginia Tech is an engineering-heavy school. Of course they're going to do well on the arbitrary ranking system that you used that places a heavy emphasis on research over actual education. Apparently that subtlety is lost on you.

And your criticism of the USNWR rankings shows a complete lack of understanding of basic statistics, which is ironic given your affinity for STEM schools.

That said, Neil's statement about VT was a little heavy-handed.

*This was typed on a phone. I'm sure typos abound.

Not sure if this is relevant, but this is not the first time Syracuse fans have looked down their noses at Virginia Tech. The comments from their fan site on SB Nation was fairly negative of people who live in Blacksburg, VA when they first joined the ACC.

What I found so sad is that I've found it to be quite the opposite. Never have I felt more at home and welcomed than during my three years at Virginia Tech. People were kind and welcoming, even when I ventured out of Blacksburg and visited some of the small towns surrounding Virginia Tech. Can't say I ever felt so welcomed and met more friendly people even when compared to my time growing up in San Jose, CA.

Here is a link to what I'm talking about:
Troy Nunez is an absolute magician

1) SU has a very strong relationship (and geographic connections) with Pitt (joined w/ SU), BC (pre-SU ACC member), and ND (ACC target at the time of the SU add). ISU doesn't have any real relationships with anyone in the ACC on any meaningful level. The two aren't the same at all.

2) FWIW, I have nothing against VT academics or athletics.

VT football was a little bit of a late comer, but it's now a very, very solid program. And, we had some great games in the BIG EAST (which I miss dearly).

Additionally, VT academics aren't bad - they're actually quite good. In fact, in my opinion, it's one of America's best engineering schools. However, there is much more taught on college campuses than STEM subjects. And that's where Syracuse's strengths are.

(08-10-2016 11:07 AM)wrigley2 Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 07:35 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 04:58 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 01:59 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 11:18 AM)omniorange Wrote:  There was a time I can recall when there was very little difference between VT and WVU, imho. Both live in areas where you can see the end of the world, their fans were both rowdy and obnoxious, both had great traveling football fan bases, and they both played one hell of a game of football.

When did VT become gentrified by the ACC?

Cheers,
Neil

When VT reached number 70 in the USNWR rankings.

Regarding a potential conference member in the State of Texas, aside from Texas, I actually think SMU would be a great cultural fit in the ACC.

It must be discouraging to have watched VT and NC State bypass Syracuse from an academic standpoint, and then to be thrown out of the AAU. Yes, must be disappointing.

Orange Fan - universities use US News rankings to sell something to the poorly educated and weak minded. US News rankings are easy to game and based mostly on measures that are opinion or just inputs.

Universities look at ARWU or NSF to measure their ***** against others. Let's see how Syracuse stacks up and you will see why you were tossed out of AAU.

NSF (Total funding for research in 2014 per National Science Foundation) RED
ARWU National Rank for 2015 - Black

Duke 7 and 23
UNC 8 and 29
Pitt 16 and 41
GT 24 and 52-65
VT 39 and 79-102
NCSU 46 and 66-78
UVa 61 and 52-65
Miami 65 and 66-78
FSU 84 and 79-102
Louisville 107 and above 200
Notre Dame 108 and 79-109
Wake Forest 111 and 126-146
Clemson 117 and 126-146
Syracuse 170 and 126-146
BC 195 and 126-146

So other than a lot of mouth and claiming to know things from afar, and claiming to know more than people who have actually worked with or know former Athletic Directors, or President, or Chancellors, or ACC officials, what is it that Syracuse actually does - education wise?

Whatever your are doing it's not working.

The "T" in VT stands for "tech" - or, if you'd rather, the "p" in VPI stands for "polytechnic." That means Virginia Tech is an engineering-heavy school. Of course they're going to do well on the arbitrary ranking system that you used that places a heavy emphasis on research over actual education. Apparently that subtlety is lost on you.

And your criticism of the USNWR rankings shows a complete lack of understanding of basic statistics, which is ironic given your affinity for STEM schools.

That said, Neil's statement about VT was a little heavy-handed.

*This was typed on a phone. I'm sure typos abound.

No, Lumber is correct. USNWR is not well respected among admission deans and such... at least it wasn't 10 years ago. Too much BS that is easily manipulated and once one school starts with the BS all the others are forced to do the same or their ranking drops in USNWR and people start banging on their doors asking WHY!!!

Think about what you just said:
1) if everyone dies it, all the "bs" balances out
2) if it wasn't influential, schools wouldn't care, so they wouldn't do the BS - and if it wasn't respected, it wouldn't be influential. It may be the warren buffet effect in academics, but self fulfilling prophesies are still accurate prophesies.

Basing academic rankings on research is laughably dumb for a myriad of reasons. But rather than jump down that rabbit hole, ask yourself how many 18 year old with no idea what they want to do when they grow up would turn down ND, Williams, GTown, BC, Dartmouth, and so on to go to SUNY at Buffalo for academic reasons?