(08-03-2016 12:20 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 12:09 PM)Realignment Wrote:  I think they'll add BYU, Colorado State, Cincinnati & Houston when it's all said and done. They'll have two teams in the Mountain Time Zone and two teams in the Eastern Time Zone while solving the travel partner issue. The Big 14 would easily be able to sell sponsorship to their championship game. ESPN & FOX may get upset but the Big 14 needs to call their bluff, because at the end of the day the Big 14 will have suitors for their content. Extending the Grant of Rights may be the biggest hold-up as Oklahoma & Texas probably want to have the option to look elsewhere once it's all said and done.

That's only one team (Cincinnati) in the Eastern Time Zone, no?

WVU.

Realignment you seem to have no idea what's going on or at least what's happening east of the Mississippi. Lol

(08-03-2016 12:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 12:20 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 12:09 PM)Realignment Wrote:  I think they'll add BYU, Colorado State, Cincinnati & Houston when it's all said and done. They'll have two teams in the Mountain Time Zone and two teams in the Eastern Time Zone while solving the travel partner issue. The Big 14 would easily be able to sell sponsorship to their championship game. ESPN & FOX may get upset but the Big 14 needs to call their bluff, because at the end of the day the Big 14 will have suitors for their content. Extending the Grant of Rights may be the biggest hold-up as Oklahoma & Texas probably want to have the option to look elsewhere once it's all said and done.

That's only one team (Cincinnati) in the Eastern Time Zone, no?

WVU.

Misunderstood then. Thought he was talking about the added teams.

(08-03-2016 11:07 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 10:48 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  I think the columnist being loose with words. He is not saying they "admitted" it as in someone physically said it on the record. I think he is stating their actions of leaking info on expansion, more or less, "all but" admits they have been manipulating it. However, I think that might be a tad presumptuous to say it, as if anything all they have "admitted" to is fighting back on carte blanche expansion, and the expectation that the networks would pay for it. I am not saying the networks are involved, I just don't think this is an admission of it.

I agree. What they have is a contract clause favorable to the Big 12 which they are about to enact, and it is especially unfavorable to ESPN.

Nobody really admitted anything, but they did go public with their complaints, which is similar, and shows their intent and involvement, since they never squawked before, lol.

I'll never forget what the Boston College guy said in 2011 after the ACC raided the Big East (again) and snatched Cuse & Pitt, "ESPN told us what to do."---Those words were said and reported in every medium around the country.
Cheers!

(08-02-2016 10:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 10:36 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Total theory here. If ESPN and Fox are willing to pay for Big12 additions of UConn, Cincy, USF and Temple....wouldn't that take care of all the former BCS eligible teams? If not Temple, how about BYU?
What other schools could file suit based on precedent of access?
I'm probably off here but.......

If it comes down to being sued for interference......?

Houston, SMU and Rice.

Border:
New Mexico
New Mexico State
West Texas A&M
Northern Arizona
UTEP
Southwestern
Hardin-Simmons
Trinity TX.

Southwest Conference:
Southwestern

RMAC:
Colorado College
Colorado Mines
Denver
Montana State
BYU
Wyoming
Northern Colorado
Western State

Southern Conference: Parent conference to the ACC and SEC:
Washington and Lee
Sewanee
VMI
George Washington
Richmond
William And Mary
The Citadel
Davidson
Furman

Big 8/MVC:
Drake
Washington, MO.
Grinnell
Creighton
Butler

Those were considered Power conference.

But, since this would be 1980s and forwards, many of the schools listed would not sue. West Texas A&M could since they were FBS until 1985. UTA could as well and so could Wichita State.

Let me explain this to you realignment. Espn already has byu as a property. Fox doesn't care though. Fox is salivating to get into the heavily populous and profitable east,period. They can basically steal any aac teams they want via the big12's contract and make espn pay half the bill,ouch!! Byu has an out clause in their espn contract in case they receive a p5 invite. Fox could offer the pac12 network a lifeline if they add byu,therfore All of their bases are covered and they become instantly ESPN'S equal. I'll bet the expansion holdup is because Fox maybe wanting to take the big12 to 16 not just 2 teams, for them the more the better (espn has to pay half). They may be willing to give the big12 their coveted network in return. We'll see soon

i'm not sure why its a big deal that ESPN and Fox are involved in the realignment.
why wouldn't they be?

the arrangement between the networks and conferences is a PARTNERSHIP. Both sides should be at the table.

the schools provide the content, for which the networks pay them enormous sums.
Without ESPN, these Big12 schools dont' have the money to finance all there expenditures. which continue to up, up, up, up and away

they should be doing whatever ESPN/Fox tell them to do. Period. Or prepare to be "CUSA'd" in less than 10 years.

(08-03-2016 12:09 PM)Realignment Wrote:  I think they'll add BYU, Colorado State, Cincinnati & Houston when it's all said and done. They'll have two teams in the Mountain Time Zone and two teams in the Eastern Time Zone while solving the travel partner issue. The Big 14 would easily be able to sell sponsorship to their championship game. ESPN & FOX may get upset but the Big 14 needs to call their bluff, because at the end of the day the Big 14 will have suitors for their content. Extending the Grant of Rights may be the biggest hold-up as Oklahoma & Texas probably want to have the option to look elsewhere once it's all said and done.

How does it solve the "travel partner" problem? I guess it helps WVU some, Cincy is not a true travel partner, but close enough. however CSU and BYU become two new islands: neither are "travel partners" for the other, as they are 475 miles away from each other, which is roughly the distance from Rutgers to NC State - I doubt anyone considers Rutgers and NC State "travel partners."

I can say this now, I am ready for the B12 just to name the times and get this over. I now know how weatherman Phil Connors felt.

300mi between WV and Cincy, probably about 5hrs from the bus leaving the stadium to arriving at the hotel. Maybe not ideal, but doable.


For the (new) Big East, if it were going to take UConn then I wonder if it would also take UMass? It doesn't have a team in CT or MA. Or maybe it would rather have St Louis, to pair with Creighton, leaving Providence and UConn as travel partners.

And would it care that UConn still has FBS football, which could be a flight risk if the ACC ever comes calling?

(08-03-2016 12:47 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  Let me explain this to you realignment. Espn already has byu as a property. Fox doesn't care though. Fox is salivating to get into the heavily populous and profitable east,period. They can basically steal any aac teams they want via the big12's contract and make espn pay half the bill,ouch!! Byu has an out clause in their espn contract in case they receive a p5 invite. Fox could offer the pac12 network a lifeline if they add byu,therfore All of their bases are covered and they become instantly ESPN'S equal. I'll bet the expansion holdup is because Fox maybe wanting to take the big12 to 16 not just 2 teams, for them the more the better (espn has to pay half). They may be willing to give the big12 their coveted network in return. We'll see soon

It does appear that FOX senses an opening. By the way, guess who has a ton of east coast teams, gets pretty good ratings, and is horribly under paid? I don't think ESPN is going to get away with 2 million a team when the AAC comes up for renegotiation. Now that they see its provides a solid on field product that attracts near P5 ratings---I think Fox will be looking to snake that AAC inventory away.

(08-03-2016 12:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 10:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 10:36 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Total theory here. If ESPN and Fox are willing to pay for Big12 additions of UConn, Cincy, USF and Temple....wouldn't that take care of all the former BCS eligible teams? If not Temple, how about BYU?
What other schools could file suit based on precedent of access?
I'm probably off here but.......

If it comes down to being sued for interference......?

Houston, SMU and Rice.

Border:
New Mexico
New Mexico State
West Texas A&M
Northern Arizona
UTEP
Southwestern
Hardin-Simmons
Trinity TX.

Southwest Conference:
Southwestern

RMAC:
Colorado College
Colorado Mines
Denver
Montana State
BYU
Wyoming
Northern Colorado
Western State

Southern Conference: Parent conference to the ACC and SEC:
Washington and Lee
Sewanee
VMI
George Washington
Richmond
William And Mary
The Citadel
Davidson
Furman

Big 8/MVC:
Drake
Washington, MO.
Grinnell
Creighton
Butler

Those were considered Power conference.

But, since this would be 1980s and forwards, many of the schools listed would not sue. West Texas A&M could since they were FBS until 1985. UTA could as well and so could Wichita State.

Please just stop.

You realize that every time you so much as quote him, you're giving him fuel. Right?

(08-03-2016 01:18 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 12:09 PM)Realignment Wrote:  I think they'll add BYU, Colorado State, Cincinnati & Houston when it's all said and done. They'll have two teams in the Mountain Time Zone and two teams in the Eastern Time Zone while solving the travel partner issue. The Big 14 would easily be able to sell sponsorship to their championship game. ESPN & FOX may get upset but the Big 14 needs to call their bluff, because at the end of the day the Big 14 will have suitors for their content. Extending the Grant of Rights may be the biggest hold-up as Oklahoma & Texas probably want to have the option to look elsewhere once it's all said and done.

How does it solve the "travel partner" problem? I guess it helps WVU some, Cincy is not a true travel partner, but close enough. however CSU and BYU become two new islands: neither are "travel partners" for the other, as they are 475 miles away from each other, which is roughly the distance from Rutgers to NC State - I doubt anyone considers Rutgers and NC State "travel partners."

Maybe out east that isn't close to be travel partners. It is out west. Heck our travel partner is Wichita and they are 250 miles apart.

3spn showed there hand when they leaked they didn't want to pay 10x the money for aac teams but fox seems more than willing. Guess what,Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, Uconn, Temple, and Ucf doubles the big12's footprint enough in the east for fox to create them a network,that's a lot of content not to mention as a side note creating a bball conference that could rival the old big East. Suddenly those 6 aac teams are creating mega bucks for the existing big12 teams. Big12 east- WVU, Uconn, Cincy, Temple, Memphis, Istate,UCF Houston, great bball/markets. Big12 west- texas,ttech,ok,okst,Baylor, tcu,Kansas, kstate. Rivalries maintained big12 stable

AC,
To be honest, I think ESPN would let the AAC go to Fox if the bid is higher. I just don't see if three strong teams leave, there is single east coast that enhances the league let alone three. In addition, major TV markets will be gone as well. The AAC will be lucky to match what the Big East just gets for Basketball from FOX. Initially, I thought Cinci and either Memphis or UCF would be the only two teams added to get to 12. I actually thought the one saving grace for the AAC was Houston would be with UCONN because the logical thinking was B12 would not take a Fifth Texas Team. Now that appears to be out the window, I think this may be the biggest blow to the AAC is them going to 14 and taking Houston. As always, this depends on if the B12 expands.

I think UCONN and Houston are relatively safe, this expansion is 100% being driven by fox. They already have the pac12 so no western expansion is needed. Fox is completely motivated to break into the east southeast and fox has been known to win at all costs

If that's the case then, we know Cincinnati & Houston are probably locks. FOX Sports wants to get into SEC territory then I suspect it would be Memphis & Tulane or UCF & USF, at that point the Big 14 should make a 5-game scheduling agreement with BYU & then sign a Big 14/WCC basketball challenge that could be aired by FS1. At the end of the day though, I think the Big 12 will add BYU & Colorado State for the 2018 season followed by Cincinnati & Houston for the 2019 season.

No offense but Tulane isn't getting in over Uconn or Temple. Remember east/southeast plus markets. They can steal byu if they want to by helping you guys floundering network for inviting them.

(08-03-2016 02:12 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  AC,
To be honest, I think ESPN would let the AAC go to Fox if the bid is higher. I just don't see if three strong teams leave, there is single east coast that enhances the league let alone three. In addition, major TV markets will be gone as well. The AAC will be lucky to match what the Big East just gets for Basketball from FOX. Initially, I thought Cinci and either Memphis or UCF would be the only two teams added to get to 12. I actually thought the one saving grace for the AAC was Houston would be with UCONN because the logical thinking was B12 would not take a Fifth Texas Team. Now that appears to be out the window, I think this may be the biggest blow to the AAC is them going to 14 and taking Houston. As always, this depends on if the B12 expands.

The AAC already gets less than the Big East. If they lose three teams no way they get more or the same.