Pretty sure they don't.

Quote:Houston's win over Oklahoma loses a little shine after OSU blew them out worse. If Houston was to beat Louisville they'd be in the playoff I'd imagine so not sure if G5 still gets an access bowl then???

No, they don't. Wouldn't open it up for the MAC. Rules say Playoff covers the BCS bowl slot for a G5. All the "playoff" is, is a Top 2 BCS Bowl situation. They're just bowls, remember. Just the Top 2 winners get to play each other later, is all. Hardly a "playoff", in actuality.

Thing is, if Toledo's the undefeated team, they won't have a P5 win under their belt, so that'll be tougher than CMU or WMU to make it in.

Houston needs to beat Louisville (Good possibility of course; kind of expected) + loseHouston needs to beat Louisville (Good possibility of course; kind of expected) + lose a conference game (possible but not expected; injuries would make it more possible). a conference game (possible but not expected; injuries would make it more possible).

... all while Boise/SD-State don't go undefeated.

To go the PLAYOFF? Technically Possible, but we'd be dreaming from the start of the season going to the BCS-G5-Bowl, with Houston getting 2 losses, and MW Champs 1-loss or more:

CMU:
- OK-State wins the B12, and goes 11-1 [fat chance; but possible; makes B12 out of Playoff picture]
- Virginia suddenly improves after 0-4 to go 6-2 in the ACC, while having to play Louisville, Miami-FL, and UNC [incredibly fat like the gal from Sat night; very improbable]
- UNLV makes waves in the MW, going 8-4, knocking off Boise or SD-State (which helps them in MW/MAC comparison)
- CMU goes 13-0, beating an 11-1 WMU team, and 10-2 Toledo team (only losses are to WMU+CMU), stomping 8-4 Akron/Ohio in MACC
- ACC/P12/B1G beat up on each other with one of their champs having 3 losses and not looking SO impressive [Iowa of B1G at 9-3 beats OSU/UM/MSU]

WMU:
- OK-State wins the B12 [eliminates B12 playoff contender]
- Northwestern's O bounces back and makes a run for the B1G West and wins it, and beats UM/MSU/OSU for the B1G Championship @ 10-3 [eliminates B1G contender]
- Illinois bounces doesn't totally tank, and makes it 5-7/6-6 for the season [possible]
- GA-Southern wins the Sun Belt @ 11-1/10-2, while beating GA-Tech and/or Ole Miss (+ WMU)
- WMU goes 13-0, beating 11-1 CMU team, and 10-2 Toldeo team (only losses are to WMU+CMU), stomping 8-4 Akron/Ohio in MACC

TOLEDO: [No P5 game; good luck happening; FATTEST CHANCE]
- Arkansas State wins the Sun Belt @ 10-2, goes undefeated the rest of the way
- GA-Southern beats Ole Miss & GA-Tech, but goes 10-2 (losses to WMU+ArkSt)
- Texas State beats Houston and goes 9-3 (losses to Arkansas, GA-Southern, and ArkSt)
- Fresno St wins the MW @ 11-2, goes undefeated the rest of the way [doesn't play Boise Reg season]
- SD-State goes 11-1, only loss to Fresno [doesn't play Boise Reg season]
- Boise State goes 11-2 losing to BYU+Fresno in MWC game
- BYU goes 9-3, losing to (Utah & Cal by the slight margin they did + STOMPED by Toledo; but beating @MSU, Miss-State, @Boise, @Cinci)
- Cinci beats Houston in AAC Champ game
- MSU (11-1; only loss to BYU who got whipped by Toledo) beats UM & OSU, goes to B1G Champ Game BUT LOSES to 9-3 Iowa [eliminates B1G overtaking 13-0 Toledo]
- OK-State goes 11-1 and wins the B12 [eliminates B12 overtaking 13-0 Toledo with their loss coming from CMU]
- Toledo goes 13-0, beating an 11-1 CMU team, and a 10-2 WMU team (only losses are to CMU+Toledo), stomping 9-3 Akron in MACC
- No barn-burners -- all solid wins and whippings

i admire your attention to detail but all those things need not happen for a MAC team to go to a BCS bowl. for that to happen, Houston needs to lose the AAC title and to Louisville and the MAC team needs to go undefeated. If Boise/SDSU is an undefeated MW champ it would be a toss-up as the MW is pretty even with the MAC this year and neither of those teams plays an obviously stronger schedule than the MAC champ. If the MW doesn't have an undefeated team and Houston gets suffer up a bit by the end of the year the MAC is in good position with the loaded West producing a a highly ranked champ.

Quote:i admire your attention to detail but all those things need not happen for a MAC team to go to a BCS bowl.

I was saying PLAYOFF. :)

Obviously easier for a BCS Bowl. Just going undefeated, Houston losing 2 + Boise/SD-State losing 1 with no one-big win (or an upset winner in MW).

Making the Playoff would be super-hard.

Basically being chosen over 2 P5 Conf Champs (and Independents).

Boise or SDSU would definitely go over MAC champs if both were undefeated. Better name recognition and already significantly higher in the polls.

Well CMU already lost to Okie State guys....come on now. Pay attention.

(09-20-2016 01:55 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  Boise or SDSU would definitely go over MAC champs if both were undefeated. Better name recognition and already significantly higher in the polls.

Umm... The MAC has considerably tougher games down the stretch to Jump SDSU. They have the easiest schedule in the country.

Even BYU, CMU, WMU, Akron, OU, then Akron again would be better than SDSU getting USU and Boise in the title game. We'll have a Fresno State comparison game as well. That's the worst resume of the 3 teams in contention. Boise State? Yeah, they'll stay ahead of us. But if 1 MAC team ran the table I doubt another school would even do that. If #11 Boise State went ahead of #15 Toledo... I wouldn't be too hurt. That's life. I'd hope we both got at large bowls.

Quote:The MAC has considerably tougher games down the stretch to Jump SDSU. They have the easiest schedule in the country.

They beat Cal, who if does well in the P12 and after beating Texas may, will mean a lot to the voters. But yes, I see they don't have a tough schedule. It would prove not-tougher than an undefeated CMU, Toledo, or WMU -- for regular season. But if they were to play an undefeated or possibly a 1L Boise State for the MWC VS an 8-4 Akron/Ohio -- I think the voters wouldn't see it that way. MW by default is going to get the nod when records are equal. MAC needs an undefeated to upend a 1L MW Champ.

Quote:If #11 Boise State went ahead of #15 Toledo... I wouldn't be too hurt. That's life. I'd hope we both got at large bowls.

I don't think they're going to dole out 2 G5s to BCS bowls.

2 Top Bowls for Winners-for-Nat-Champ (Playoff Bowls) -- #1 P5s of 4 conferences [Fiesta & Peach Bowl]
1 BCS Bowl -- #1 P5 vs #2 P5 [Sugar: B12 vs SEC]
1 BCS Bowl -- #2 P5 vs #2 P5 [Rose: B10 vs P12]
1 BCS Bowl -- #2 P5 vs #1 Overall-G5 [Cotton: At-Large vs At-Large]
1 BCS Bowl -- #2 P5 vs #3 P5/ND [Orange: ACC vs B10/SEC/ND]


An undefeated #15 Toledo would have to outrank a the-last-man-standing in one of the P5s for that. Basically beat out ND and the best #3 P5 to be put in. Would the 3rd best SEC team OR Notre Dame be ranked higher than #15? Yeah, most likely.

(09-20-2016 01:03 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:The MAC has considerably tougher games down the stretch to Jump SDSU. They have the easiest schedule in the country.

They beat Cal, who if does well in the P12 and after beating Texas may, will mean a lot to the voters. But yes, I see they don't have a tough schedule. It would prove not-tougher than an undefeated CMU, Toledo, or WMU -- for regular season. But if they were to play an undefeated or possibly a 1L Boise State for the MWC VS an 8-4 Akron/Ohio -- I think the voters wouldn't see it that way. MW by default is going to get the nod when records are equal. MAC needs an undefeated to upend a 1L MW Champ.

Quote:If #11 Boise State went ahead of #15 Toledo... I wouldn't be too hurt. That's life. I'd hope we both got at large bowls.

I don't think they're going to dole out 2 G5s to BCS bowls.

2 Top Bowls for Winners-for-Nat-Champ (Playoff Bowls) -- #1 P5s of 4 conferences [Fiesta & Peach Bowl]
1 BCS Bowl -- #1 P5 vs #2 P5 [Sugar: B12 vs SEC]
1 BCS Bowl -- #2 P5 vs #2 P5 [Rose: B10 vs P12]
1 BCS Bowl -- #2 P5 vs #1 Overall-G5 [Cotton: At-Large vs At-Large]
1 BCS Bowl -- #2 P5 vs #3 P5/ND [Orange: ACC vs B10/SEC/ND]


An undefeated #15 Toledo would have to outrank a the-last-man-standing in one of the P5s for that. Basically beat out ND and the best #3 P5 to be put in. Would the 3rd best SEC team OR Notre Dame be ranked higher than #15? Yeah, most likely.

Im arguing for an at large bowl, not an at large for NY6. Aka another bowl doesnt have enough conference schools for their tie in, and A MAC school is granted playing a P5 school instead of playing the SBC champ. I'd be okay with drawing a USF, ECU, or other top AAC team, or SDSU... Other than that. I want a P5. I'm done playing the belt. It gets little recognition and there are a couple good teams We could lose to. No shame in losing to Pitt in the Military Bowl vs. South Alabama in Birmingham or GoSo in Mobile.

Yeah, the MAC has tie-ins with the AAC who isn't necessarily that bad. And ESPN will shift things around since they own so many bowls now (see Boise vs NIU last year).

So yeah, Toledo #15 would probably be playing the #2/#3 G5 team (Boise if Houston makes it; Houston if Boise makes it). I don't think an undefeated MAC team falling just short of the NY6 invite will have to worry about a sh!tty bowl at all. :)

At worst, it'd be an invite against an 8-4 or big-name 7-5 P5 team.

You have to be a league champion to get the BCS bowl game, so Houston just would have to lose that game and the MAC champ could pass them.

Houston is very good but they, like most everyone, will have a hard time going undefeated in conference where other schools are familiar with their schemes and personnel. easier to sneak up on an oklahoma, arkansas, illinois, etc... early in the season in a non-conf game than get by every team on your schedule that has a clear idea of what they are up against and how to game plan for you.

(09-20-2016 10:59 PM)DICK Wrote:  You have to be a league champion to get the BCS bowl game, so Houston just would have to lose that game and the MAC champ could pass them.

As long as the AAC East champ isnt already ranked. We need USF to lose to Florida State this weekend.

Yeah, if Houston loses to a 10-2 AAC team -- an undefeated MAC team will overtake them.

But then you have the Mountain West (Boise/SD-State).

And then you have Sun Belt -- which WMU can stop cold in its tracks by beating GA-Southern on Saturday night for the good of the MAC. Because if GA-Southern were to go undefeated, they'd beat GA-Tech + Ole Miss > undefeated Toledo. But I doubt GA-Southern will go undefeated, so it doesn't really matter much at all in speculation. Any tie to Sun Belt in records would go to the MAC, just like any tie in records to MW/AAC, would not go to the MAC.

A tie in record for SDSU with CMU/WMU/Toledo would go to the MAC. The only aspect Toledo would need to achieve is beat NIU and Fresno worse or equal to SDSU. Playing BYU, CMU, WMU, Bal State, Akron x2, and Ohio would be much more convincing than Cal, Boise State, Utah State, Airforce and Wyoming.

If undefeated, IMO, it would go to SDSU, assuming the cards fall where they should in the MW.

SDSU would beat an 11-1/10-2 Boise State > 8-4 Akron
SDSU would beat a Cal team that beat Texas and maybe go 8-4 > 6-6/7-5 BYU team

Toledo would beat a 11-1/10-2/9-3 CMU team > 8-4/7-5/6-6 Utah State/Nevada/Wyoming team
Toledo would beat a 11-1/10-2/9-3 WMU team > 8-4/7-5/6-6 Utah State/Nevada/Wyoming team

IMO, Boise would have to go 9-3 because of their name or Cal could tank, and Toledo would get the nod. But I think in any have-to-think-about-it calls, they're going to go MW.

But yes, definately an undefeated MAC team could take out an undefeated SD-State. That Option is open.

I'm not saying there aren't preconceptions and name based prejudices but the playoff system now has a (relatively) impartial set of folks who rank the teams and set the playoff match-ups. Last year, they were pretty fair to the MAC and other G5 schools in their rankings. I didn't see obvious bias by name recognition or conference. their purview is to avoid that. This is a big week for the MAC. An upset over memphis or cincy would be huge. The WMU-Ga So game might not sound sexy but it is one of the more competitive games of the week in the nation and huge for each of those teams, basically a new year's day bowl elimination game between undefeated G5 conference favorites. And the EMU-Wyoming game will be a fun game in that both programs have been down for a while but are having a bit of a resurgence. One of them will walk off the field 3-1 with real bowl possibilities, the other will be 2-2 and going into some tough conference games. Add to it that it's on national tv (the obscure cable channel kind, let's admit) and it should be about as exciting an atmosphere as Ypsilanti football can get.

I really don't see any MAC team being undefeated. I have a feeling WMU CMU and UT will beat up on each other or the other may drop a game they shouldn't. It's so hard being undefeated in college football regardless of who you play.

Quote:I really don't see any MAC team being undefeated. I have a feeling WMU CMU and UT will beat up on each other or the other may drop a game they shouldn't.

Yeah, I agree. CMU/WMU/Toledo -- my predictions is all 3 will be tied with 1L in the MAC.

(09-22-2016 12:01 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:I really don't see any MAC team being undefeated. I have a feeling WMU CMU and UT will beat up on each other or the other may drop a game they shouldn't.

Yeah, I agree. CMU/WMU/Toledo -- my predictions is all 3 will be tied with 1L in the MAC.

I'm not counting out NIU until conference play is at least half complete. Toledo has always found a way to lose to them and it wouldn't surprise me if they spoiled a few other teams also...