Congrats Ms Beacham on your UT degree.
Wish you much future success. It would be great to meet you someday at an Alumni event. God's blessings.

The timing of this announcement really makes me wonder. Beacham would have had a lot more opportunities if she had entered the portal in March. What happened between then and now to cause her to leave, despite limited options due to the late entry?

(06-11-2020 08:03 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 06:35 AM)pono Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 04:58 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 04:49 AM)pono Wrote:  

(06-10-2020 07:42 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  After doing nothing her first two seasons (3.9/3.6ppg), except getting free tuition, housing and medical care, she finally has a decent season and wants to leave.

why the hostility? because a talented young person receives basic housing, medical care and education. not trying to veer too much into politics. but in the wealthiest country in the world bursting with resources shouldn't that be the normal expectation for everyone?

no! Not at that age and that level of education. The player earned those things in agreed contract. That is what is wrong with the original statement.

i counter that both statements are accurate. yes, she earned those things per a contract, but, everything is contractual in some sense. whether it's a scholarship agreement, a set of social mores, how you treat your family. some contracts are written, some extrapolated, some are understood. when my daughter is in college or graduates, i don't want to worry about her being homeless, or without proper doctors, or unable to explore academic passions. to me that should be part of her country's contract with her. instead we have a contract with the market and all those human necessities must be navigated as a transaction.

Yeah yeah yeah :) everybody gets a trophy.

I seem to recall there were actually studies on why this doesn't work. It backfires. It's certainly corporate welfare for the university system but it leads to unmotivated students populating your classrooms (or not) and worse, your dorms.

Even the poorest in our richest country has to learn the skills to survive college and much of that battle is gaining the intellectual and economic resources to get there. There is so much scholarship money floating around unused, MUCH more than when we went to school, often because of us, anyone who has earned college and goes into a degree that actually has a chance to earn money, will get by.

Old guy
I wrinkled my hands in the dorm kitchen, the whipper-snappers can do the same.

i'm not talking about participation trophies or using resources to pay for kids to go to school who aren't really trying. I'm saying we shouldn't be jealous of our neighbors having their basic human needs met by society. Not sure what studies you allude to, but there's plenty of data on how college costs have risen, student debt has increased, housing costs per inflation have risen (most places, maybe not Toledo) and medical costs per income have increased. I'm not paying for a 20 year old student's luxury, Amazon bill, or weed habit but I'm happy to chip in on making sure they got a dorm bed and access to a doctor.

MLive’s top Michigan girls basketball recruits for Class of 2021

https://www.mlive.com/highschoolsports/2...-2021.html

Someone please send mlive a picture of Ware.

(06-18-2020 06:11 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  MLive’s top Michigan girls basketball recruits for Class of 2021

https://www.mlive.com/highschoolsports/2...-2021.html

Someone please send mlive a picture of Ware.

No photos. No more stories. Silence please.......

(06-11-2020 07:07 PM)pono Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 08:03 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 06:35 AM)pono Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 04:58 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 04:49 AM)pono Wrote:  why the hostility? because a talented young person receives basic housing, medical care and education. not trying to veer too much into politics. but in the wealthiest country in the world bursting with resources shouldn't that be the normal expectation for everyone?

no! Not at that age and that level of education. The player earned those things in agreed contract. That is what is wrong with the original statement.

i counter that both statements are accurate. yes, she earned those things per a contract, but, everything is contractual in some sense. whether it's a scholarship agreement, a set of social mores, how you treat your family. some contracts are written, some extrapolated, some are understood. when my daughter is in college or graduates, i don't want to worry about her being homeless, or without proper doctors, or unable to explore academic passions. to me that should be part of her country's contract with her. instead we have a contract with the market and all those human necessities must be navigated as a transaction.

Yeah yeah yeah :) everybody gets a trophy.

I seem to recall there were actually studies on why this doesn't work. It backfires. It's certainly corporate welfare for the university system but it leads to unmotivated students populating your classrooms (or not) and worse, your dorms.

Even the poorest in our richest country has to learn the skills to survive college and much of that battle is gaining the intellectual and economic resources to get there. There is so much scholarship money floating around unused, MUCH more than when we went to school, often because of us, anyone who has earned college and goes into a degree that actually has a chance to earn money, will get by.

Old guy
I wrinkled my hands in the dorm kitchen, the whipper-snappers can do the same.

i'm not talking about participation trophies or using resources to pay for kids to go to school who aren't really trying. I'm saying we shouldn't be jealous of our neighbors having their basic human needs met by society. Not sure what studies you allude to, but there's plenty of data on how college costs have risen, student debt has increased, housing costs per inflation have risen (most places, maybe not Toledo) and medical costs per income have increased. I'm not paying for a 20 year old student's luxury, Amazon bill, or weed habit but I'm happy to chip in on making sure they got a dorm bed and access to a doctor.

I wouldn't argue against any of that but it's a big change from the post to which I responded, from your original statement of "free" to all and the statement made by another that college athletes aren't working for the services.

I whole heartedly agree, if "free" is the goal, YOU should pay for it. :)

(06-19-2020 04:40 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 07:07 PM)pono Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 08:03 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 06:35 AM)pono Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 04:58 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  no! Not at that age and that level of education. The player earned those things in agreed contract. That is what is wrong with the original statement.

i counter that both statements are accurate. yes, she earned those things per a contract, but, everything is contractual in some sense. whether it's a scholarship agreement, a set of social mores, how you treat your family. some contracts are written, some extrapolated, some are understood. when my daughter is in college or graduates, i don't want to worry about her being homeless, or without proper doctors, or unable to explore academic passions. to me that should be part of her country's contract with her. instead we have a contract with the market and all those human necessities must be navigated as a transaction.

Yeah yeah yeah :) everybody gets a trophy.

I seem to recall there were actually studies on why this doesn't work. It backfires. It's certainly corporate welfare for the university system but it leads to unmotivated students populating your classrooms (or not) and worse, your dorms.

Even the poorest in our richest country has to learn the skills to survive college and much of that battle is gaining the intellectual and economic resources to get there. There is so much scholarship money floating around unused, MUCH more than when we went to school, often because of us, anyone who has earned college and goes into a degree that actually has a chance to earn money, will get by.

Old guy
I wrinkled my hands in the dorm kitchen, the whipper-snappers can do the same.

i'm not talking about participation trophies or using resources to pay for kids to go to school who aren't really trying. I'm saying we shouldn't be jealous of our neighbors having their basic human needs met by society. Not sure what studies you allude to, but there's plenty of data on how college costs have risen, student debt has increased, housing costs per inflation have risen (most places, maybe not Toledo) and medical costs per income have increased. I'm not paying for a 20 year old student's luxury, Amazon bill, or weed habit but I'm happy to chip in on making sure they got a dorm bed and access to a doctor.

I wouldn't argue against any of that but it's a big change from the post to which I responded, from your original statement of "free" to all and the statement made by another that college athletes aren't working for the services.

I whole heartedly agree, if "free" is the goal, YOU should pay for it. :)

I haven't heard or read of any other school beating down her door, for her services? I think this years team will be young but very enjoyable, lasts years teams always seemed to be a step behind the other team. I can accept a young team making mistakes, but a veteran team that we had last year under performed. B.G's lady falcons played better then we did.

This year's team will be very enjoyable only if you enjoy losing, I fear. I do agree, though, in the sense that when you have a veteran team that isn't very good, there's not a lot to get excited about. At least next year, we will be able to imagine that our young players will grow into winners. Can't agree with you about the Falcons, who were awful last year. The coming year will be an important one for their new coach, who has won something like four or five conference games (total) in two years.

(06-20-2020 11:42 AM)FrickerRon Wrote:  

(06-19-2020 04:40 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 07:07 PM)pono Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 08:03 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 06:35 AM)pono Wrote:  i counter that both statements are accurate. yes, she earned those things per a contract, but, everything is contractual in some sense. whether it's a scholarship agreement, a set of social mores, how you treat your family. some contracts are written, some extrapolated, some are understood. when my daughter is in college or graduates, i don't want to worry about her being homeless, or without proper doctors, or unable to explore academic passions. to me that should be part of her country's contract with her. instead we have a contract with the market and all those human necessities must be navigated as a transaction.

Yeah yeah yeah :) everybody gets a trophy.

I seem to recall there were actually studies on why this doesn't work. It backfires. It's certainly corporate welfare for the university system but it leads to unmotivated students populating your classrooms (or not) and worse, your dorms.

Even the poorest in our richest country has to learn the skills to survive college and much of that battle is gaining the intellectual and economic resources to get there. There is so much scholarship money floating around unused, MUCH more than when we went to school, often because of us, anyone who has earned college and goes into a degree that actually has a chance to earn money, will get by.

Old guy
I wrinkled my hands in the dorm kitchen, the whipper-snappers can do the same.

i'm not talking about participation trophies or using resources to pay for kids to go to school who aren't really trying. I'm saying we shouldn't be jealous of our neighbors having their basic human needs met by society. Not sure what studies you allude to, but there's plenty of data on how college costs have risen, student debt has increased, housing costs per inflation have risen (most places, maybe not Toledo) and medical costs per income have increased. I'm not paying for a 20 year old student's luxury, Amazon bill, or weed habit but I'm happy to chip in on making sure they got a dorm bed and access to a doctor.

I wouldn't argue against any of that but it's a big change from the post to which I responded, from your original statement of "free" to all and the statement made by another that college athletes aren't working for the services.

I whole heartedly agree, if "free" is the goal, YOU should pay for it. :)

I haven't heard or read of any other school beating down her door, for her services? I think this years team will be young but very enjoyable, lasts years teams always seemed to be a step behind the other team. I can accept a young team making mistakes, but a veteran team that we had last year under performed. B.G's lady falcons played better then we did.

By nearly every metric used, especially that head to head score thing, your last statement is false. Otherwise, agreed.

Jessica Cook names Central NY Large School POY

https://www.syracuse.com/highschoolsport...wards.html

Strack is reporting that Beacham is transferring to Ohio State.

I don't know what OSU's issue is, but of late it seems that they can barely field a roster without MAC and other transfers. If their website is accurate, they only have 11 players, not counting Tanaya, and of that, only 3 upperclassmen and only 4 forwards. I would guess she will see good playing time.

(07-07-2020 07:50 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Strack is reporting that Beacham is transferring to Ohio State.

I don't know what OSU's issue is, but of late it seems that they can barely field a roster without MAC and other transfers. If their website is accurate, they only have 11 players, not counting Tanaya, and of that, only 3 upperclassmen and only 4 forwards. I would guess she will see good playing time.

OSU=good recruiting/bad coaching

Beacham was a solid player but not our best. OSU should be getting the best players in the LEAGUE let alone the second or third best player on a middling MAC team.

So Beacham thinks she's too good for Toledo? The grass ain't always greener...

Personally, I thought she fit in quite well as a Rocket. Cullop lets a rising senior get away, this one is going to hurt.

(07-07-2020 08:02 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Beacham was a solid player but not our best. OSU should be getting the best players in the LEAGUE let alone the second or third best player on a middling MAC team.

She was certainly catching her stride at the end of the season, scoring double-digit points in the final 9 games, including 3 double-doubles.

should be interesting to see how she does in a full court offense and defense. Plus she will not be a 5 at OSU.

Losing Beacham will hurt us a whole lot more than it will help OSU. It's really hard to imagine us winning many games this coming season. From Ohio State's perspective, they had a roster spot available, and Beacham can play right away. Better for the Buckeyes to pick up a player who may contribute a bit rather than leave the spot open.

Rockets have offered 2023 G Abbie Riddle from Baltimore, OH

https://www.hudl.com/profile/13758691/Abbie-Riddle

She appears to already have offers from half the MAC and is getting interested from numerous schools.

Also offer 2022 6'1 F Charia Smith from Westerville North

https://www.hudl.com/profile/12370533/Charia-Smith

Couple '23 offers reported today on twitter:

5'11 G Dacia Lewandowski from Pittsburgh North Catholic
I see an offer from Marshall, not sure if there are others.

https://www.hudl.com/profile/12693240/Dacia-Lewandowski


5'8 G Raeven Raye-Redmond from Trotwood Madison
Offers from Akron, Miami, Wright State, Detroit, YSU, maybe others.

https://www.hudl.com/profile/13822124/Ra...ayeRedmond
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRnx_STPAgA