(08-05-2016 08:21 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 08:17 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 08:06 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  "America First means that the American worker will have his or her job protected from unfair foreign competition."

Donald J. Trump

If you told me that Jill Stein or Bernie Sanders said that, I would've believed you.

That's pure left wing, economically.

Trump is running as a 1980s hard left protectionist democrat on economic issues.

No he isn't; that's asinine.

This is the kind of thing people say when they reach the limit of their knowledge base and are forced to shove people into the few neat little ideological compartments they know of.

She's adopted some of Bernie's populist stances. Do I trust her to follow through on them? Not really but at least we've got her on record and can show politicians will be rewarded for such.

(08-05-2016 08:17 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 08:06 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  "America First means that the American worker will have his or her job protected from unfair foreign competition."

Donald J. Trump

If you told me that Jill Stein or Bernie Sanders said that, I would've believed you.

That's pure left wing, economically.

No it isn't.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN10G2BQ

New Reuters poll has Clintons lead down to 3. Absolutely nothing of note is happened since the last one which is why I am questioning them. They are all over the place

(08-05-2016 08:29 AM)Max Power Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 12:09 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 07:09 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Where? What states are absorbing all these Clinton gains to allow the battlegrounds to remain close enough for Trump to poach?

That's the only way your theory makes sense -- argue that Hillary's bounce in national polls is somehow confined to blue and red states but not affecting the battlegrounds. When you game it out you see what I mean. We're not balkanized. Gains in California means gains in PA, means gains in FL. And national poll movement is extremely helpful, not just to tell us whether to bother with state polling, but to give us an indication of where all the states are moving, to some degree or another.

Errrr, it's early August. Means nothing. I'm old enough to have been teaching political science when HW was running for reelection and trying like the dickens to fight off the likes of Doug Wilder and a band of merry losers, one of whom was Bubba...

how'd that work out? He (HW) was at 90% in Jan-Feb or so, pretty sure he served one term.

Tits on a bull.

You really think a near double digit lead in August means nothing?

Bush 41 had a surge after the Gulf War, but the '92 recession crushed him. Instead of January, it's August, with only 3 months to go and only the debates left to really alter the course of this thing. And instead of a recession, the BLM just announced we created 250,000 jobs last month and UE is 4.9%. Trump's fuct.

Damn!

Black lives mutter created 250000 jobs?!?

That's gotta be some serial groundspeed record right there.

Yes, meaningless. The cank is the worst public speaker and debate candidate I've ever seen on even a state wide stage.

Just awful.

That and her rank corruption and incessant lying are clear "plan on" events that will unfold, perhaps later, not sooner.

The agitation and nervousness are palpable with every interview you see from it, or her co-conspirators.

Time is not your friend on this one.

Monmouth: Hillary +13

NBC/SurveyMonkey: Hillary +10

Clinton 44% (+6)
Trump 38%
Johnson (L) 10%
Stein (G) 4%
-- @NBCNews/@SurveyMonkey http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-ele...mp-n625676 …

MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO

That's in a 4 way. Gary Johnson won't get 10%, and for that matter Stein won't get 4.

The only poll I am going to believe is on Nov 8th. If she wins, she wins. The country is lost.

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(08-09-2016 08:49 AM)Max Power Wrote:  That's in a 4 way. Gary Johnson won't get 10%, and for that matter Stein won't get 4.

FORTUNE TELLER

(08-09-2016 08:49 AM)Max Power Wrote:  That's in a 4 way. Gary Johnson won't get 10%, and for that matter Stein won't get 4.

I wouldn't be so sure. The rumblings I've been hearing and seeing is that a lot more would break for both Johnson and Stein if people felt that their vote wouldn't be "wasted". This is the situation we are in. If you let Stein and Johnson into the debates, more people would be willing to support them. It's not that Johnson and Stein are unpopular, and it most surely isn't because people think that Clinton and Trump are awesome candidates. The real evil here is that the Dem and GOP machine make people believe that there only should be 2 choices.

I hear a lot of "I like Johnson a lot, and I think he'd be better than Trump and Clinton. But I don't want to waste my vote". Why would anyone feel that voting 3rd party is a wasted vote? Because The Duopoly put barriers to entry up so that people feel forced to consider only 2 parties.

(08-09-2016 08:51 AM)green Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 08:49 AM)Max Power Wrote:  That's in a 4 way. Gary Johnson won't get 10%, and for that matter Stein won't get 4.

FORTUNE TELLER

Nostradamus?

(08-09-2016 08:55 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 08:49 AM)Max Power Wrote:  That's in a 4 way. Gary Johnson won't get 10%, and for that matter Stein won't get 4.

I wouldn't be so sure. The rumblings I've been hearing and seeing is that a lot more would break for both Johnson and Stein if people felt that their vote wouldn't be "wasted". This is the situation we are in. If you let Stein and Johnson into the debates, more people would be willing to support them. It's not that Johnson and Stein are unpopular, and it most surely isn't because people think that Clinton and Trump are awesome candidates. The real evil here is that the Dem and GOP machine make people believe that there only should be 2 choices.

I hear a lot of "I like Johnson a lot, and I think he'd be better than Trump and Clinton. But I don't want to waste my vote". Why would anyone feel that voting 3rd party is a wasted vote? Because The Duopoly put barriers to entry up so that people feel forced to consider only 2 parties.

Does anyone really think that Trump is the GOP? That is the point. Trump is a 3rd party that kicked in the door and pulled off a home invasion because enough people were sick and tired of the same old **** in DC.

Sanders tried the same thing but the DNC establishment still likes being in power enough to have worked against him early enough and often enough.

(08-09-2016 09:24 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 08:55 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 08:49 AM)Max Power Wrote:  That's in a 4 way. Gary Johnson won't get 10%, and for that matter Stein won't get 4.

I wouldn't be so sure. The rumblings I've been hearing and seeing is that a lot more would break for both Johnson and Stein if people felt that their vote wouldn't be "wasted". This is the situation we are in. If you let Stein and Johnson into the debates, more people would be willing to support them. It's not that Johnson and Stein are unpopular, and it most surely isn't because people think that Clinton and Trump are awesome candidates. The real evil here is that the Dem and GOP machine make people believe that there only should be 2 choices.

I hear a lot of "I like Johnson a lot, and I think he'd be better than Trump and Clinton. But I don't want to waste my vote". Why would anyone feel that voting 3rd party is a wasted vote? Because The Duopoly put barriers to entry up so that people feel forced to consider only 2 parties.

Does anyone really think that Trump is the GOP? That is the point. Trump is a 3rd party that kicked in the door and pulled off a home invasion because enough people were sick and tired of the same old **** in DC.

Sanders tried the same thing but the DNC establishment still likes being in power enough to have worked against him early enough and often enough.

You are correct that Bernie Sanders wasn't a Democrat. But HRC had a core of loyal followers and loyal Democrats to get her the nomination. The impact of DJT in the race really helped her too. Regardless of HRC's liabilities, she's a known quantity and isn't going to do anything rash. A perfect counterpoint to DJT. Better than Bernie.

The GOP establishment tried to stop Trump. But the neo-con wing and the fundy wing and the business wing and the moderate wing were too busy fighting each other (which was helped by the fact that billionaires can fund their pet candidate to keep them viable long after they should be out of the race), thus allowing the unelectable wing to take over.

Where do you think the race would be if a center right candidate like John Kasich was at the head of the GOP ticket?

(08-09-2016 10:57 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 09:24 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 08:55 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 08:49 AM)Max Power Wrote:  That's in a 4 way. Gary Johnson won't get 10%, and for that matter Stein won't get 4.

I wouldn't be so sure. The rumblings I've been hearing and seeing is that a lot more would break for both Johnson and Stein if people felt that their vote wouldn't be "wasted". This is the situation we are in. If you let Stein and Johnson into the debates, more people would be willing to support them. It's not that Johnson and Stein are unpopular, and it most surely isn't because people think that Clinton and Trump are awesome candidates. The real evil here is that the Dem and GOP machine make people believe that there only should be 2 choices.

I hear a lot of "I like Johnson a lot, and I think he'd be better than Trump and Clinton. But I don't want to waste my vote". Why would anyone feel that voting 3rd party is a wasted vote? Because The Duopoly put barriers to entry up so that people feel forced to consider only 2 parties.

Does anyone really think that Trump is the GOP? That is the point. Trump is a 3rd party that kicked in the door and pulled off a home invasion because enough people were sick and tired of the same old **** in DC.

Sanders tried the same thing but the DNC establishment still likes being in power enough to have worked against him early enough and often enough.

You are correct that Bernie Sanders wasn't a Democrat. But HRC had a core of loyal followers and loyal Democrats to get her the nomination. The impact of DJT in the race really helped her too. Regardless of HRC's liabilities, she's a known quantity and isn't going to do anything rash. A perfect counterpoint to DJT. Better than Bernie.

The GOP establishment tried to stop Trump. But the neo-con wing and the fundy wing and the business wing and the moderate wing were too busy fighting each other (which was helped by the fact that billionaires can fund their pet candidate to keep them viable long after they should be out of the race), thus allowing the unelectable wing to take over.

Where do you think the race would be if a center right candidate like John Kasich was at the head of the GOP ticket?

We did that route with McCain.

Yo are right to be nervous. You are right to say Hillary is a known candidate. She will:

1. Keep setting the world on fire
2. Keep ignoring terrorist groups until its too late
3. Keep Obamas sorry excuse for an economy which is killing the rust belt
4. She will keep deflecting blame for her actions to something else
5. She will lie

We know exactly who Hillary is.

(08-09-2016 11:01 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 10:57 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 09:24 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 08:55 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 08:49 AM)Max Power Wrote:  That's in a 4 way. Gary Johnson won't get 10%, and for that matter Stein won't get 4.

I wouldn't be so sure. The rumblings I've been hearing and seeing is that a lot more would break for both Johnson and Stein if people felt that their vote wouldn't be "wasted". This is the situation we are in. If you let Stein and Johnson into the debates, more people would be willing to support them. It's not that Johnson and Stein are unpopular, and it most surely isn't because people think that Clinton and Trump are awesome candidates. The real evil here is that the Dem and GOP machine make people believe that there only should be 2 choices.

I hear a lot of "I like Johnson a lot, and I think he'd be better than Trump and Clinton. But I don't want to waste my vote". Why would anyone feel that voting 3rd party is a wasted vote? Because The Duopoly put barriers to entry up so that people feel forced to consider only 2 parties.

Does anyone really think that Trump is the GOP? That is the point. Trump is a 3rd party that kicked in the door and pulled off a home invasion because enough people were sick and tired of the same old **** in DC.

Sanders tried the same thing but the DNC establishment still likes being in power enough to have worked against him early enough and often enough.

You are correct that Bernie Sanders wasn't a Democrat. But HRC had a core of loyal followers and loyal Democrats to get her the nomination. The impact of DJT in the race really helped her too. Regardless of HRC's liabilities, she's a known quantity and isn't going to do anything rash. A perfect counterpoint to DJT. Better than Bernie.

The GOP establishment tried to stop Trump. But the neo-con wing and the fundy wing and the business wing and the moderate wing were too busy fighting each other (which was helped by the fact that billionaires can fund their pet candidate to keep them viable long after they should be out of the race), thus allowing the unelectable wing to take over.

Where do you think the race would be if a center right candidate like John Kasich was at the head of the GOP ticket?

We did that route with McCain.

Yo are right to be nervous. You are right to say Hillary is a known candidate. She will:

1. Keep setting the world on fire
2. Keep ignoring terrorist groups until its too late
3. Keep Obamas sorry excuse for an economy which is killing the rust belt
4. She will keep deflecting blame for her actions to something else
5. She will lie

We know exactly who Hillary is.

McCain ran at the end of Bush's second term against a candidate that was an exceptional orator, had high personal likeability, tons of enthusiasm behind him, was largely gaffe free, and didn't make any major mistakes.

McCain was going to lose. Anyone the GOP put up was going to lose. Unless the Dems nominated someone unelectable. To be sure, the GOP tried to paint Obama as the next incarnation of Jesse Jackson, but when Obama turned out to be electable, they were screwed.