Pete Thamel discusses

I thought this was interesting stuff. A lot of angles to consider here.

(07-28-2016 02:47 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Pete Thamel discusses

I thought this was interesting stuff. A lot of angles to consider here.

Well, I think what their game is has to do with leveraging the networks into agreeing to dissolve the GOR by helping to place the other 7 schools. The question becomes which is more reasonable, letting the Big 12 grow the Network expense by 800 million over the life of the contract, or bumping the existing members a little bit less by moving them to other conferences now.

Texas as a partial to the ACC with Baylor and West Virginia as full members would account for 3.

Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC accounts for two more.

Texas Tech and T.C.U. to the PAC accounts for two more. Kansas and Iowa State to the Big 10 two more.

But if FOX won't play, and ESPN, will it gets easier.

Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas and Iowa State to the SEC.

Texas, Baylor, Kansas State and West Virginia to the ACC.

Texas Tech and T.C.U. to the PAC.

Or if ESPN won't play (which I doubt is an issue) then FOX could place Texas, Kansas, Iowa State, and Oklahoma in the Big 10 and Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and T.C.U. in the PAC if they are willing to guarantee the PAC enough.

Personally I don't think ESPN wants to give up on Texas and I think FOX will be a player. So, ESPN and FOX cooperate in placing all of the schools. The Big 12 is dissolved and we move on with 65 (counting N.D.) in 4 conferences. Nobody gets two plumbs and everyone takes somebody they otherwise would have passed on.

It's possible but I just can't get past the idea that such scenarios are predicated on: That the B12 only has 3 properties worth taking (and only 2 are FB properties) plus a minimum of 5 more undesireables that also need homes all divided by 4 power conferences mean AT LEAST one (and maybe two or even 3 of them) is getting screwed into taking nothing but lesser brands they didnt want while helping their competitors divvy up the 3 brands they would want. The math just doesn't make sense.

IMO the B12 is expanding to try and save their conference. They have been doing this for three years now. A year before Boren went public he was already talking to Cincy and the records request showed it.

This isn't an attempt to get out of the GOR tomorrow. It is an attempt to get more money out of the TV contract and then at a later date schools can opt out of signing a new GOR when the renewal date comes up.

The reason why people were surprised about all of this stuff happening the last two weeks is all about the media getting it completley wrong. It happens. Life goes on. B12 is expanding.

(07-28-2016 05:28 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  It's possible but I just can't get past the idea that such scenarios are predicated on: That the B12 only has 3 properties worth taking (and only 2 are FB properties) plus a minimum of 5 more undesireables that also need homes all divided by 4 power conferences mean AT LEAST one (and maybe two or even 3 of them) is getting screwed into taking nothing but lesser brands they didnt want while helping their competitors divvy up the 3 brands they would want. The math just doesn't make sense.

I think the idea would be that whoever ended up with the worse part of the deal would be financially compensated. But as the old adage goes, not all money is good money. I don't think there is any monetary number acceptable for the SEC to add say WVU and Baylor.

(07-29-2016 09:54 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 05:28 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  It's possible but I just can't get past the idea that such scenarios are predicated on: That the B12 only has 3 properties worth taking (and only 2 are FB properties) plus a minimum of 5 more undesireables that also need homes all divided by 4 power conferences mean AT LEAST one (and maybe two or even 3 of them) is getting screwed into taking nothing but lesser brands they didnt want while helping their competitors divvy up the 3 brands they would want. The math just doesn't make sense.

I think the idea would be that whoever ended up with the worse part of the deal would be financially compensated. But as the old adage goes, not all money is good money. I don't think there is any monetary number acceptable for the SEC to add say WVU and Baylor.

That is precisely why some theorize that the PAC would take some of the others. They need carriage help. FOX and ESPN could help that issue with their influence. Also FOX and ESPN could increase their lease payments for say added portions of Texas and/or Oklahoma and Kansas. I don't think anyone is going to force the SEC or Big 10 take a dog, but they might be able to leverage a middle tier Big 12 property.

(07-29-2016 03:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-29-2016 09:54 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 05:28 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  It's possible but I just can't get past the idea that such scenarios are predicated on: That the B12 only has 3 properties worth taking (and only 2 are FB properties) plus a minimum of 5 more undesireables that also need homes all divided by 4 power conferences mean AT LEAST one (and maybe two or even 3 of them) is getting screwed into taking nothing but lesser brands they didnt want while helping their competitors divvy up the 3 brands they would want. The math just doesn't make sense.

I think the idea would be that whoever ended up with the worse part of the deal would be financially compensated. But as the old adage goes, not all money is good money. I don't think there is any monetary number acceptable for the SEC to add say WVU and Baylor.

That is precisely why some theorize that the PAC would take some of the others. They need carriage help. FOX and ESPN could help that issue with their influence. Also FOX and ESPN could increase their lease payments for say added portions of Texas and/or Oklahoma and Kansas. I don't think anyone is going to force the SEC or Big 10 take a dog, but they might be able to leverage a middle tier Big 12 property.

If ESPN wants Fox to play ball with them on this one, offer Fox UT and the LHN for the right to cherry pick desired B12 schools to the ACC or SEC. SEC could add two to four schools while FOX can distribute the Texas schools and remaining B12 to either the PAC or B1G.

The last time the networks were this pissed at a conference, it destroyed the Big East.