I felt so bad for Kay. He legitimately earned the quarterback spot while Butch was here only to have it handed to Munchie. No disrespect for Munchie, because what would we have done w/o him Kiels freshman year. Kiel was simply amazing and once they got back to the spread, we played great again. Gran should have known, if it aint broke dont fix it.

(08-08-2016 08:43 AM)pat5775 Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:24 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(08-06-2016 10:11 AM)pat5775 Wrote:  

(08-06-2016 09:59 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(08-06-2016 08:52 AM)pat5775 Wrote:  Tuberville pulls this crap every year. I get that Gunner missed spring practice but come on, who's he kidding? Everyone and their mother knows Gunner will be the starter.

Although... I thought the same thing before the 2013 season when Tuberville went with Munchie over Kay

I thought that there is no way that Munchie would start over Kay and we see how it worked out. Not convinced that Kay was injured or he would not play a mop up roll.

Kay wasn't nearly as injured as tuberville lead on. To this day, I'm still baffled by his decision to start Munchie. I don't think I'll ever understand why.

How would you know?

(08-07-2016 09:50 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  LOL. Kay was so injured they brought him in to the second half of that first game to run QB dives and keepers on short yardage plays to get him shellacked repetedly in garbage time.

That's how.

So you never considered that he was indeed hurt during camp and thus didn't get the reps in, so that Munchie honestly earned the job because he got the majority of the work and had a better grasp of the new offense?

Munchie's throwing motion made me cringe every single time he threw the football.

(08-08-2016 10:33 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 08:43 AM)pat5775 Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 07:24 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(08-06-2016 10:11 AM)pat5775 Wrote:  

(08-06-2016 09:59 AM)rosewater Wrote:  I thought that there is no way that Munchie would start over Kay and we see how it worked out. Not convinced that Kay was injured or he would not play a mop up roll.

Kay wasn't nearly as injured as tuberville lead on. To this day, I'm still baffled by his decision to start Munchie. I don't think I'll ever understand why.

How would you know?

(08-07-2016 09:50 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  LOL. Kay was so injured they brought him in to the second half of that first game to run QB dives and keepers on short yardage plays to get him shellacked repetedly in garbage time.

That's how.

So you never considered that he was indeed hurt during camp and thus didn't get the reps in, so that Munchie honestly earned the job because he got the majority of the work and had a better grasp of the new offense?

I find it very hard to believe that is what happened. Better grasp of the offense or not, Munchie couldn't throw worth a damn. Love the kid for making that amazing comeback after that gruesome injury, but a QB who has a great grasp of the offense but atrocious throwing ability should never be a starter

Throwing motion is not more important than in-game competence.
I don't care how pretty you throw it, if every time at the line you **** your pants, or if you're too short to throw it down the middle or if you're just a flat-out basket case and can't commit to a particular target.

Having said that, Kay was competent. I'm not sure the decision making process of this staff either. The play calling on offense is atrocious at times and I find previous choices like running tiny scat backs like Abernathy up the middle asinine. I know Grand supposedly has a pedigree but damn...

(08-08-2016 01:48 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Throwing motion is not more important than in-game competence.
I don't care how pretty you throw it, if every time at the line you **** your pants, or if you're too short to throw it down the middle or if you're just a flat-out basket case and can't commit to a particular target.

Having said that, Kay was competent. I'm not sure the decision making process of this staff either. The play calling on offense is atrocious at times and I find previous choices like running tiny scat backs like Abernathy up the middle asinine. I know Grand supposedly has a pedigree but damn...

no doubt. Move away from the spread, Legeux over Kay, All the Boone nonsense, 4th down v ecu, All the goal line calls, All the defensive coordinators, Onside kick v. Houston, Allow the backs to substitue themselves, No altitude issues in Provo....

(08-08-2016 02:13 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 01:48 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Throwing motion is not more important than in-game competence.
I don't care how pretty you throw it, if every time at the line you **** your pants, or if you're too short to throw it down the middle or if you're just a flat-out basket case and can't commit to a particular target.

Having said that, Kay was competent. I'm not sure the decision making process of this staff either. The play calling on offense is atrocious at times and I find previous choices like running tiny scat backs like Abernathy up the middle asinine. I know Grand supposedly has a pedigree but damn...

no doubt. Move away from the spread, Legeux over Kay, All the Boone nonsense, 4th down v ecu, All the goal line calls, All the defensive coordinators, Onside kick v. Houston, Allow the backs to substitue themselves, No altitude issues in Provo....

You guys realize we basically have an all new offensive staff right? Gran and Hinshaw are in Kentucky and Hiller, the OL, is at USF. Time to move on from the mistakes of the past couple years and look at it from an all new paradigm. The offense this year will not look like the ones we've seen the past couple of years. We'll be running out of the Pro Formation, will have 1-2 TE's on the field most of the time and will probably be throwing it half as much as we did before.

(08-08-2016 02:18 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 02:13 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 01:48 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Throwing motion is not more important than in-game competence.
I don't care how pretty you throw it, if every time at the line you **** your pants, or if you're too short to throw it down the middle or if you're just a flat-out basket case and can't commit to a particular target.

Having said that, Kay was competent. I'm not sure the decision making process of this staff either. The play calling on offense is atrocious at times and I find previous choices like running tiny scat backs like Abernathy up the middle asinine. I know Grand supposedly has a pedigree but damn...

no doubt. Move away from the spread, Legeux over Kay, All the Boone nonsense, 4th down v ecu, All the goal line calls, All the defensive coordinators, Onside kick v. Houston, Allow the backs to substitue themselves, No altitude issues in Provo....

You guys realize we basically have an all new offensive staff right? Gran and Hinshaw are in Kentucky and Hiller, the OL, is at USF. Time to move on from the mistakes of the past couple years and look at it from an all new paradigm. The offense this year will not look like the ones we've seen the past couple of years. We'll be running out of the Pro Formation, will have 1-2 TE's on the field most of the time and will probably be throwing it half as much as we did before.

Chad Brendel on BSJ said we will be single back. A Pro Formation features two backs (HB/FB). FYI

(08-08-2016 02:18 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 02:13 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 01:48 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Throwing motion is not more important than in-game competence.
I don't care how pretty you throw it, if every time at the line you **** your pants, or if you're too short to throw it down the middle or if you're just a flat-out basket case and can't commit to a particular target.

Having said that, Kay was competent. I'm not sure the decision making process of this staff either. The play calling on offense is atrocious at times and I find previous choices like running tiny scat backs like Abernathy up the middle asinine. I know Grand supposedly has a pedigree but damn...

no doubt. Move away from the spread, Legeux over Kay, All the Boone nonsense, 4th down v ecu, All the goal line calls, All the defensive coordinators, Onside kick v. Houston, Allow the backs to substitue themselves, No altitude issues in Provo....

You guys realize we basically have an all new offensive staff right? Gran and Hinshaw are in Kentucky and Hiller, the OL, is at USF. Time to move on from the mistakes of the past couple years and look at it from an all new paradigm. The offense this year will not look like the ones we've seen the past couple of years. We'll be running out of the Pro Formation, will have 1-2 TE's on the field most of the time and will probably be throwing it half as much as we did before.

Agree, some pent up negativism that needed exorcised.

(08-08-2016 02:27 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 02:18 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 02:13 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 01:48 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Throwing motion is not more important than in-game competence.
I don't care how pretty you throw it, if every time at the line you **** your pants, or if you're too short to throw it down the middle or if you're just a flat-out basket case and can't commit to a particular target.

Having said that, Kay was competent. I'm not sure the decision making process of this staff either. The play calling on offense is atrocious at times and I find previous choices like running tiny scat backs like Abernathy up the middle asinine. I know Grand supposedly has a pedigree but damn...

no doubt. Move away from the spread, Legeux over Kay, All the Boone nonsense, 4th down v ecu, All the goal line calls, All the defensive coordinators, Onside kick v. Houston, Allow the backs to substitue themselves, No altitude issues in Provo....

You guys realize we basically have an all new offensive staff right? Gran and Hinshaw are in Kentucky and Hiller, the OL, is at USF. Time to move on from the mistakes of the past couple years and look at it from an all new paradigm. The offense this year will not look like the ones we've seen the past couple of years. We'll be running out of the Pro Formation, will have 1-2 TE's on the field most of the time and will probably be throwing it half as much as we did before.

Chad Brendel on BSJ said we will be single back. A Pro Formation features two backs (HB/FB). FYI

I have also heard about Bates playing some fullback, so I think that they will play both.

(08-08-2016 02:27 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 02:18 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 02:13 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 01:48 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Throwing motion is not more important than in-game competence.
I don't care how pretty you throw it, if every time at the line you **** your pants, or if you're too short to throw it down the middle or if you're just a flat-out basket case and can't commit to a particular target.

Having said that, Kay was competent. I'm not sure the decision making process of this staff either. The play calling on offense is atrocious at times and I find previous choices like running tiny scat backs like Abernathy up the middle asinine. I know Grand supposedly has a pedigree but damn...

no doubt. Move away from the spread, Legeux over Kay, All the Boone nonsense, 4th down v ecu, All the goal line calls, All the defensive coordinators, Onside kick v. Houston, Allow the backs to substitue themselves, No altitude issues in Provo....

You guys realize we basically have an all new offensive staff right? Gran and Hinshaw are in Kentucky and Hiller, the OL, is at USF. Time to move on from the mistakes of the past couple years and look at it from an all new paradigm. The offense this year will not look like the ones we've seen the past couple of years. We'll be running out of the Pro Formation, will have 1-2 TE's on the field most of the time and will probably be throwing it half as much as we did before.

Chad Brendel on BSJ said we will be single back. A Pro Formation features two backs (HB/FB). FYI

Typo- I meant pro style offense.

For clarification though- you can run a single back in a pro formation. Back in the day when I played high school ball we called it the I-Formation or Power-I.

(08-02-2016 11:17 AM)digibrink Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 10:18 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  Until he decides to leave the team for 6 months to "handle more personal problems". I think the team should move on with the players that have been there. Any player that abandons his team-mates before the bowl is a POS who doesn't deserve another chance.

Typical internet troll response with absolutely no clue as to the situation surrounding Gunner's leave. Think before you type.

The truth will come out sooner or later about the Golden Boy. I am not going to say because its just heresay. If he left because of injury that would be different. The team looked horrible which makes me think that this came as a total surprise to the coaching staff.

(08-08-2016 02:37 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Back in the day when I played high school ball we called it the I-Formation or Power-I.

I formation is QB, FB, RB in straight line behind center

Power I is QB, FB, FB, RB where the second FB is to the side of the other other FB depending which side the play is being run to.

Power I is typically a run option offense, like wishbone, veer, and wing T

I suspect UC will go primarily with a one back, 2 TE base formation, with one TE motioning to be the blocker, I'm not sure UC has a true FB on the roster. 3 WR sets depending on down and distance.

(08-08-2016 03:02 PM)FLIP Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 02:37 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Back in the day when I played high school ball we called it the I-Formation or Power-I.

I suspect UC will go primarily with a one back, 2 TE base formation, with one TE motioning to be the blocker, I'm not sure UC has a true FB on the roster. 3 WR sets depending on down and distance.

I'd be surprised to see four or five wide this year and that makes me very happy.

I know it's popular to bash the coaching staff and decision making, etc. but I came across this article and thought it was interesting:

Quote:Best and worst college football coaches in close games entering 2016

Coach, School Career Current School

Bobby Wilder, Old Dominion 20-7 (.741) 20-7 (.741)
Urban Meyer, Ohio State 34-13 (.723) 13-2 (.867)
Brian Kelly, Notre Dame 78-38-2 (.669) 22-13 (.629)
Tommy Tuberville, Cincinnati 60-31 (.659) 8-5 (.615)
Les Miles, LSU 46-25 (.648) 39-18 (.684)
Kyle Whittingham, Utah 34-19 (.642) 34-19 (.642)
Dan Mullen, Mississippi State 16-9 (.640) 16-9 (.640)
Gary Patterson, TCU 43-25 (.632) 43-25 (.632)
Matt Viator, Louisiana-Monroe 24-14 (.632) New coach
Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State 23-14 (.622) 23-14 (.622)

American



Best: Tommy Tuberville, Cincinnati -- Last year's 2-3 record in one-score games was an anomaly for Tuberville. His .659 winning percentage ranks fifth among active FBS coaches who have been in at least 25 one-score games. Remember, Tuberville built up the bulk of his record in the SEC and then briefly in the Big 12. This is the coach, after all, who won a 3-2 game at Auburn.

Worst: Matt Rhule, Temple -- An important qualifier is needed here. Rhule is 3-9 in one-score games in large part because he made Temple more competitive than it usually is in football. Rhule was 2-1 during Temple's breakthrough 2015 season and the loss was to Notre Dame, but with a lot of new coaches in the American, Rhule's numbers still stand out.

From the same article:

Quote:SEC

Best: Les Miles, LSU -- Miles' career winning percentage in one-score games (.648) ranks third among active Power Five coaches who have coached in at least 25 one-score games. Only Meyer and Brian Kelly (Notre Dame) have done better than Miles. Perhaps this explains why Miles has been so reluctant to open up LSU's offense, even though a change is likely necessary for LSU to better compete with higher-scoring offenses.

Worst: Butch Jones, Tennessee -- Normally this spot would be reserved for Arkansas' Bret Bielema, but he may have turned a corner in 2015 by going 3-3 in one-score games to end an 11-game losing streak in such contests. Bielema even won a close game at Tennessee where Jones is 6-9 in one-score games and has lost too many close games that are really important. Jones is 1-6 in one-score games against Georgia, Florida, Alabama and Oklahoma. Even when he won consecutive Big East titles at Cincinnati in 2011 and 2012, Jones was only 5-4 in one-score games. He will need to win more tight games to survive long-term in the SEC

Independent

Best: Brian Kelly, Notre Dame -- Kelly is the second-best Power Five coach in one-score games, and it's not just due to racking up wins at lower-profile jobs. Notre Dame won 53 percent of its one-score games from 1981 to 2009. Kelly has won 63 percent of one-score games in six years at Notre Dame, a better rate than Lou Holtz (56 percent). Kelly has also won 20 of his past 28 one-score games after starting 2-5 at Notre Dame.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...ring-2016/

(08-09-2016 11:27 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  I know it's popular to bash the coaching staff and decision making, etc. but I came across this article and thought it was interesting:

Quote:Best and worst college football coaches in close games entering 2016

Coach, School Career Current School

Bobby Wilder, Old Dominion 20-7 (.741) 20-7 (.741)
Urban Meyer, Ohio State 34-13 (.723) 13-2 (.867)
Brian Kelly, Notre Dame 78-38-2 (.669) 22-13 (.629)
Tommy Tuberville, Cincinnati 60-31 (.659) 8-5 (.615)
Les Miles, LSU 46-25 (.648) 39-18 (.684)
Kyle Whittingham, Utah 34-19 (.642) 34-19 (.642)
Dan Mullen, Mississippi State 16-9 (.640) 16-9 (.640)
Gary Patterson, TCU 43-25 (.632) 43-25 (.632)
Matt Viator, Louisiana-Monroe 24-14 (.632) New coach
Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State 23-14 (.622) 23-14 (.622)

American



Best: Tommy Tuberville, Cincinnati -- Last year's 2-3 record in one-score games was an anomaly for Tuberville. His .659 winning percentage ranks fifth among active FBS coaches who have been in at least 25 one-score games. Remember, Tuberville built up the bulk of his record in the SEC and then briefly in the Big 12. This is the coach, after all, who won a 3-2 game at Auburn.

Worst: Matt Rhule, Temple -- An important qualifier is needed here. Rhule is 3-9 in one-score games in large part because he made Temple more competitive than it usually is in football. Rhule was 2-1 during Temple's breakthrough 2015 season and the loss was to Notre Dame, but with a lot of new coaches in the American, Rhule's numbers still stand out.

From the same article:

Quote:SEC

Best: Les Miles, LSU -- Miles' career winning percentage in one-score games (.648) ranks third among active Power Five coaches who have coached in at least 25 one-score games. Only Meyer and Brian Kelly (Notre Dame) have done better than Miles. Perhaps this explains why Miles has been so reluctant to open up LSU's offense, even though a change is likely necessary for LSU to better compete with higher-scoring offenses.

Worst: Butch Jones, Tennessee -- Normally this spot would be reserved for Arkansas' Bret Bielema, but he may have turned a corner in 2015 by going 3-3 in one-score games to end an 11-game losing streak in such contests. Bielema even won a close game at Tennessee where Jones is 6-9 in one-score games and has lost too many close games that are really important. Jones is 1-6 in one-score games against Georgia, Florida, Alabama and Oklahoma. Even when he won consecutive Big East titles at Cincinnati in 2011 and 2012, Jones was only 5-4 in one-score games. He will need to win more tight games to survive long-term in the SEC

Independent

Best: Brian Kelly, Notre Dame -- Kelly is the second-best Power Five coach in one-score games, and it's not just due to racking up wins at lower-profile jobs. Notre Dame won 53 percent of its one-score games from 1981 to 2009. Kelly has won 63 percent of one-score games in six years at Notre Dame, a better rate than Lou Holtz (56 percent). Kelly has also won 20 of his past 28 one-score games after starting 2-5 at Notre Dame.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...ring-2016/

This is the sound of me turning the cheek and whistling... tweet ta tweet tweet tweet.

So the worst guy in the SEC is ranked in the top 10 in his 4th year after inheriting a complete dumpster fire. I'd take it. They lost to Oklahoma, at Florida and against the national champions at Alabama in close games. Arkansas, too but i don't recall if that was at home or away. They finished with just those 4 losses...

Also, sometimes it matters who you win or lose to in those one score games. UC keeps winning one score games against our bottom dwelling friends in Oxford. Bravo.

Whoa, Gunner remains third string...

Tweeted by fox 19 reporter

Quote:UC source on #Bearcats QB situation: Hayden Moore and Ross Trail split first team reps in closed final scrimmage, Gunner Kiel third team.

If not gunner i want trail. Moore has turned into a turnover machine.

(08-20-2016 05:41 PM)rosewater Wrote:  If not gunner i want trail. Moore has turned into a turnover machine.

From the report from Higher Ground all three of them are turnover machines right now....very concerned