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(07-27-2016 08:14 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Flemmings was the one of the best defenders on UNCW's team last year. To me Flemmings is more of a 3 playing 4 but is so good that he can play the 4. Nobody can guard him. Getting back...I think of Elmore being a 5 man in this system without question. At least for next year for sure because Keatts will have Flemmings at the 4 and I would think that Cacok would definitely be the other top 4 option. Cacok is going to get minutes, you know that. This is why Elmore, who is big and strong, likely plays the 5 not the 4.

He might play him there but I doubt it and I don't think he can defend a upper class post as a freshman. Just makes very little sense to me that you would throw to the wolves. You can get really abused in the post and look very bad trying to figure out how to guard a guy who has been there for 3-4 years. He might put him down there but I hope not. Cacok is the guy I would try there.
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Elmore will not play the 5. No way. He is too much of an outside threat and 3 point shooter to waste him there. He's also not a banger that could defend, for example, Gustys. Once you see him on the floor, you'll understand he is not a center.
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Okay, I'll take your word for it 82, but that's a real bummer because the kid is strong and big. Somebody's got to hold homeboy down low. We will see. I'd put him down there, get him tougher and let him step out. You're saying it's gonna be Marcus, Big Chuck and possibly Devonte. Devonte is strong as a bull, but I'd like him at the 4. It's gonna work out this year because we will put up #'s like a pin ball machine with a stuck ball, but the game slows down sometimes in the CAA. Thanks for the heads up since you've seen him!
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Remember, Elmore "slimmed" down from 240lbs. to 225 lbs. this past year, in anticipation of playing in a Keatts system. As much as i'd like to see Cacok at the 4, his scoring is limited to back to the basket post play. Same for Ogbodo and Marcus, and none of them are serious offensive threats in the post. Without serious scoring from the 5, we have got to get points from the 4. Although Flemmings produced at the 4, at 6'5" and a slim 185lbs., Flemmings is undersized at the 4, and he would be far more effective at the 3. Put him at the 3 spot with Bryce at the 2 and we have a good sized team overall.

I could imagine the following

PG - Ingram 6'0"
2- Bryce 6'5"
3- Flemmings 6'5"
4- Elmore 6'8"
5- Cacok 6'8"

That would be an athletic team with excellent overall size, and maximum scoring abilities at each positon. I know you like Talley, but if his offense doesn't take a huge leap this year, i'm afraid he's been recruited over by players with equal ability who can fill it up. I'm hearing that Fornes will bring an "edge" to the PG spot, is aggressive on D and can attack and score. And, don't forget Richmond was on the radar of Duke while in HS. We are stacked at guard, almost too stacked since there will be some unhappy players getting limited PT.

You could then mix up spots on the floor, rotating Richmond at the 1/2 spot, Fornes at the 1/2 spot, Talley at PG, Mosley at the 2 spot, Flemmings at the 4, Bryce at the 2/3 spot.

We have so many options in the 1-3 spots, and very few options at the 4-5 spots. We really NEED Elmore to come in as a Freshman ready to play. His offense and size can really help at the 4. Also, if you look at our outstanding offers on the table, we have a lot out to players in the 6'7" - 6'8" range.

I think we have 3 players who are practically guaranteed to start in Ingram, Bryce and Flemmings. If you start Flemmings at the 4, then you have to put Bryce at the 3. Then, you decide on Ingram at the 2 or at PG. If he's at the 2, our options at PG are all as small as Ingram. Then you end up with this.

PG - 6'0"/ Talley/Richmond
2- 6'0" Ingram
3 - 6'5" Bryce
4- 6'5" Flemmings
5- 6'7"/6'8"

If we are to improve over last year, I think we have to increase our overall size.

Look out for Fornes. At 6'3 he is a great ballhanlder, distributor and scorer. He could make a run at starting PG.
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Forgive my ignorance, but isn't the "Stretch 5" that's become so big in the NBA trickling to the college ranks as well? I'd love to see a situation where we use Elmore creatively like that. Could you imagine the scoring potential, for short stretches, with a lineup of, say, Ingram, Mosely, Bryce, Flemmings, and Elmore?
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If Elmore is not ready coming in, it won't be because he's not working to get there.
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(07-29-2016 09:10 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Forgive my ignorance, but isn't the "Stretch 5" that's become so big in the NBA trickling to the college ranks as well? I'd love to see a situation where we use Elmore creatively like that. Could you imagine the scoring potential, for short stretches, with a lineup of, say, Ingram, Mosely, Bryce, Flemmings, and Elmore?

I'm afraid that lineup would struggle to rebound and defend m/m. 6'0, 6'1", 6'5", 6'5", and 6'8". But, against the right team we could go there for stretches. Hell, we could go Richmond or Fornes, Ingram, Bryce, Flemmings, Elmore along that line as well. There will be no lack of options in the 1-3 spots on this team. The 4/5 is where it gets dicey if we want to keep scoring on the floor in those spots. I can't see any of the current players averaging 10 ppg out of the 5 spot.
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I could see that line-up finally busting us out of the zones the plagued us last year. But in man, we need Chris at the 3, Elmore 4, and Tae beasting rebounds and putbacks down low.
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It's a good roster regardless because they have to match up with us fellas. If you do put Cacok at a 5, that's a serious problem for the opposing team because he's gonna run baseline to baseline faster than any big. This team is an offensive juggernaut against ANYBODY period. Good times.

With that written, Elmore was selected to be a 5 man eventually. Heck, he's 6'10" and strong plus athletic. He may not start out there, but will eventually be there. This team isn't your typical 1 through 5 man, you can't think that way because the opposition will have to adjust also. When/if this team is in the NCAA's/post season (barring injuries), that's when problems can occur. There are options available and the coach will have to sort it through. We shall see. I tend to think that Coach Keatts has to feel pretty good going into this situation and this team can play/beat anybody on a given night.
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The Tribe comes in at #105 and 4th in the preseason CAA. Hawks will be the #1 preseason seed so it's interesting to see where they stack up according to this....

http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/13386
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(07-29-2016 11:28 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  It's a good roster regardless because they have to match up with us fellas. If you do put Cacok at a 5, that's a serious problem for the opposing team because he's gonna run baseline to baseline faster than any big. This team is an offensive juggernaut against ANYBODY period. Good times.

With that written, Elmore was selected to be a 5 man eventually. Heck, he's 6'10" and strong plus athletic. He may not start out there, but will eventually be there. This team isn't your typical 1 through 5 man, you can't think that way because the opposition will have to adjust also. When/if this team is in the NCAA's/post season (barring injuries), that's when problems can occur. There are options available and the coach will have to sort it through. We shall see. I tend to think that Coach Keatts has to feel pretty good going into this situation and this team can play/beat anybody on a given night.

FYI, Elmore is 6'8" and weighs 225lbs.
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This article has him at 6'9" and 240 lbs. He's still a pretty good sized player.

http://dubhub.blogs.starnewsonline.com/2...s-to-uncw/
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(07-30-2016 09:34 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  This article has him at 6'9" and 240 lbs. He's still a pretty good sized player.

http://dubhub.blogs.starnewsonline.com/2...s-to-uncw/

Bill I spoke to his dad at a tournament in February. He told me he lost weight in order to fit in a higher paced UNCW offense, and was down to 225 lbs. And, he's 6'8". We all know how the official size listings exaggerate height.....lol.
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Okay, thanks '82. Yea, everybody is listed a bit higher. You've got me excited to see him play! The kid from Raleigh is very talented...I know that for a fact.
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(07-30-2016 12:50 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Okay, thanks '82. Yea, everybody is listed a bit higher. You've got me excited to see him play! The kid from Raleigh is very talented...I know that for a fact.

Have you had a chance to see him play? 6'3" maybe 6'4", good ball handling skills and penetration. Plus, I've been told he plays with some swagger. May be a sleeper.
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I haven't in person, but I've got friends up here that have seen him and they told me that he's very good. Like anything, they've got to actually go out there and do it, but the kid scored 50 points on an Austrailian National team last year. He's got body control, good athlete and can stroke it.

http://usatodayhss.com/2015/jaylen-forne...roy-baxter
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(07-30-2016 09:45 AM)82hawk Wrote:  And, he's 6'8". We all know how the official size listings exaggerate height.....lol.

Remember how, I think it was in Buzz Peterson's second year, everyone on the UNCW roster miraculously "grew" a few inches? Unless they were being measured wearing 8 pairs of gym socks and platform sneakers, it was just a straight-up lie...and a stupid one at that.
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Buzz wasn't that great but at least he did a good job of getting the APR in much better shape. Keatts took the ball from there and the rest is history.
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(07-31-2016 01:03 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Buzz wasn't that great but at least he did a good job of getting the APR in much better shape. Keatts took the ball from there and the rest is history.

True. But it's also true that he "inflated" players' heights...which served no discernible purpose. It fooled no one...except maybe Buzz....
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Elmore is not a big or long 6-8 but is a decent athlete and a hard worker. I think he can get some minutes but I would let him find his way as a player and not expect him to put up big numbers right away. If Keatts does not play him some I think he is making a mistake.
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