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RE: MBB Schedule 2016/17
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I just like what Wm returns and what I saw from them last year. Your analysis of our roster is spot on.
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(08-11-2016 08:21 PM)nyduke Wrote:  nj duke

I just like what Wm returns and what I saw from them last year. Your analysis of our roster is spot on.

Have to like W&M- likely have the player of the year (either him or the UNCW walkon) in Prewitt but minus Tarpey and the Center with the man bun not sure they have the toughness to match the DUKES inside.

Btw want to see a nice mid major schedule- check out this one by Mercer- a team that made some noise a couple of years ago in the big dance.
http://mercerbears.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball

@ Florida
vs. Davidson
@Clemson
@ Auburn
vs. LaSalle

also at Mason vs. ECU.

granted they don't play in as good a conference as the CAA but I think you get the point in terms of multiple P5 teams.
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RE: MBB Schedule 2016/17
Okay, they scheduled three road loss payday games. How does that benefit them?
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(08-14-2016 12:26 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Okay, they scheduled three road loss payday games. How does that benefit them?

I might be way off on this, but I would think money would be a pretty big benefit.
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MBB Schedule 2016/17
$300,000 benefit.
3 Chances to beat big brother.
RPI enhancer
Increase in Fan interest
More media coverage

We shouldn't downplay others' savvy scheduling to make ourselves feel better.
Opportunity lost.
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I would be surprised if Mercer didn't win at least 1 of those 3- without a lot of knowledge about their 16-17 team they have build a solid program that beat Duke in the NCAAs a few years ago. Also- Clemson hasn't been good since Rick Barnes, Auburn is still ramping up with Bruce Pearl but hasn't been good in a while, and Billy Donovan isn't coaching Florida anymore. I think it's smart scheduling- they are all regional games for Mercer not to mention the home games vs. Davidson and LaSalle. It's the equivalent of JMU playing a game at VaTech. It would be a smart game to get on the schedule assuming Tech was agreeable to it- judging from the fact that they play other in state mid majors I can't see why they wouldn't.
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(08-15-2016 05:01 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  $300,000 benefit.
3 Chances to beat big brother.
RPI enhancer
Increase in Fan interest
More media coverage

We shouldn't downplay others' savvy scheduling to make ourselves feel better.
Opportunity lost.

Absolutely. Back when Lou played we would have seen this as a "normal" schedule and the discussion would have been about how many of these teams we would beat.

Hope we get back to this type of schedule in the next few years. 20+ wins means nothing if you are playing Eastern Mennonite - still kills me we scheduled them.
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RE: MBB Schedule 2016/17
Losing to a P5 on the road is not an RPI enhancer. Increased fan interest? For the first couple of years, but finish at or near the bottom of the league and attendance will taper off.
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Yes, playing a successful hoops program on the road does enhance rpi. Win or lose it helps. In fact the SOS is the most important metric in the calculation. Several leagues actually have bylaws on scheduling so the entire league rpi benefits which matters when they start playing each other in conference.

Also, those OOC games have nothing to do with conference standings so I'm not sure where you were going with that one. In a 31 game schedule it is ok to lose a few games and learn valuable lessons against the best.

We get it. JMU Nation is scared of playing good teams.
That is un-American and anti-competitive.

What athlete has ever said they don't want to play the best competition? None that are worth anything at all.
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(08-16-2016 06:10 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Yes, playing a successful hoops program on the road does enhance rpi. Win or lose it helps. In fact the SOS is the most important metric in the calculation. Several leagues actually have bylaws on scheduling so the entire league rpi benefits which matters when they start playing each other in conference.

Also, those OOC games have nothing to do with conference standings so I'm not sure where you were going with that one. In a 31 game schedule it is ok to lose a few games and learn valuable lessons against the best.

We get it. JMU Nation is scared of playing good teams.
That is un-American and anti-competitive.

What athlete has ever said they don't want to play the best competition? None that are worth anything at all.

Yep- that's the other part of it- recruiting. Kids like to play the best players and teams- many solid-good mid major recruits grew up playing AAU against kids that wind up going to P5 schools so they know that they can compete against them. That and a few games against regional rivals in front of decent crowds is enough to make them feel like they are playing big time D1 college hoops. It balances out the games at Drexel or at Elon (no offense to Drexel or Elon). If JMU is actively recruiting in Florida and that's where Rowe is from why couldn't they have played an away game or two vs a P5 in Florida or Georgia or North Carolina? Why couldn't they play a road game at VCU or VaTech without a return game? There's no down side. Maybe Deane tried but I'm surprised they came up empty- not one P5 game on the schedule.
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RE: MBB Schedule 2016/17
(08-16-2016 07:21 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 06:10 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Yes, playing a successful hoops program on the road does enhance rpi. Win or lose it helps. In fact the SOS is the most important metric in the calculation. Several leagues actually have bylaws on scheduling so the entire league rpi benefits which matters when they start playing each other in conference.

Also, those OOC games have nothing to do with conference standings so I'm not sure where you were going with that one. In a 31 game schedule it is ok to lose a few games and learn valuable lessons against the best.

We get it. JMU Nation is scared of playing good teams.
That is un-American and anti-competitive.

What athlete has ever said they don't want to play the best competition? None that are worth anything at all.

Yep- that's the other part of it- recruiting. Kids like to play the best players and teams- many solid-good mid major recruits grew up playing AAU against kids that wind up going to P5 schools so they know that they can compete against them. That and a few games against regional rivals in front of decent crowds is enough to make them feel like they are playing big time D1 college hoops. It balances out the games at Drexel or at Elon (no offense to Drexel or Elon). If JMU is actively recruiting in Florida and that's where Rowe is from why couldn't they have played an away game or two vs a P5 in Florida or Georgia or North Carolina? Why couldn't they play a road game at VCU or VaTech without a return game? There's no down side. Maybe Deane tried but I'm surprised they came up empty- not one P5 game on the schedule.

I hear what you and Hart are saying, and trust me that I totally agree. I am good with what we are doing for this upcoming season and I certainly hope for a steady increase in the competition as Lou moves forward. As I have stated before the schedule we've put together has the potential to start bringing the fans back to JMU MBB.
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(08-16-2016 07:21 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 06:10 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Yes, playing a successful hoops program on the road does enhance rpi. Win or lose it helps. In fact the SOS is the most important metric in the calculation. Several leagues actually have bylaws on scheduling so the entire league rpi benefits which matters when they start playing each other in conference.

Also, those OOC games have nothing to do with conference standings so I'm not sure where you were going with that one. In a 31 game schedule it is ok to lose a few games and learn valuable lessons against the best.

We get it. JMU Nation is scared of playing good teams.
That is un-American and anti-competitive.

What athlete has ever said they don't want to play the best competition? None that are worth anything at all.

Yep- that's the other part of it- recruiting. Kids like to play the best players and teams- many solid-good mid major recruits grew up playing AAU against kids that wind up going to P5 schools so they know that they can compete against them. That and a few games against regional rivals in front of decent crowds is enough to make them feel like they are playing big time D1 college hoops. It balances out the games at Drexel or at Elon (no offense to Drexel or Elon). If JMU is actively recruiting in Florida and that's where Rowe is from why couldn't they have played an away game or two vs a P5 in Florida or Georgia or North Carolina? Why couldn't they play a road game at VCU or VaTech without a return game? There's no down side. Maybe Deane tried but I'm surprised they came up empty- not one P5 game on the schedule.

the only problem with the recruiting theory is that basketball schedules are not like football.

they are not made years in advance. most of the games we scheduled this year were done after the two recruiting periods. kids had no clue the majority of games we were going to play this season.
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(08-16-2016 01:42 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 07:21 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 06:10 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Yes, playing a successful hoops program on the road does enhance rpi. Win or lose it helps. In fact the SOS is the most important metric in the calculation. Several leagues actually have bylaws on scheduling so the entire league rpi benefits which matters when they start playing each other in conference.

Also, those OOC games have nothing to do with conference standings so I'm not sure where you were going with that one. In a 31 game schedule it is ok to lose a few games and learn valuable lessons against the best.

We get it. JMU Nation is scared of playing good teams.
That is un-American and anti-competitive.

What athlete has ever said they don't want to play the best competition? None that are worth anything at all.

Yep- that's the other part of it- recruiting. Kids like to play the best players and teams- many solid-good mid major recruits grew up playing AAU against kids that wind up going to P5 schools so they know that they can compete against them. That and a few games against regional rivals in front of decent crowds is enough to make them feel like they are playing big time D1 college hoops. It balances out the games at Drexel or at Elon (no offense to Drexel or Elon). If JMU is actively recruiting in Florida and that's where Rowe is from why couldn't they have played an away game or two vs a P5 in Florida or Georgia or North Carolina? Why couldn't they play a road game at VCU or VaTech without a return game? There's no down side. Maybe Deane tried but I'm surprised they came up empty- not one P5 game on the schedule.

the only problem with the recruiting theory is that basketball schedules are not like football.

they are not made years in advance. most of the games we scheduled this year were done after the two recruiting periods. kids had no clue the majority of games we were going to play this season.

What you say is very true, but if a coach builds a reputation of quality opponents the recruit can believe him when he mentions some of the teams he's trying to schedule.

With all that said, I still wish we'd play EMU or Bridgewater for our first game. Years ago we almost always had a Christmas Tourney in Richmond with four VA teams to look forward to and took care of our off time. It'd be nice to have it come back.
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Not having a P5 on the schedule does not make it a bad one.

Not scared Hart. Just realistic. Why schedule losses this season? Lou can wait until he has his players.
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(08-17-2016 11:19 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Not having a P5 on the schedule does not make it a bad one.

Not scared Hart. Just realistic. Why schedule losses this season? Lou can wait until he has his players.

Its debatable if next years team with more of coach Rowe's players on it will be as prepared as this years Senior laden team is to compete against P5 schools. Sure he'll have Snowden and McLean back as Seniors and Holmes and Johnson will have a year of experience as Juniors. Mosely will likely be a contributor right away as a Junior and it remains to be seen how big a contributor Scissum will be as a red shirt sophomore. Barring a grad school transfer- the rest will be either Jucos or true freshmen.

I think this years JMU team with Dalembert and Serb could compete and give some P5 teams trouble inside but we won't find out until the NCAAs. Shaq Brown has shown that he can compete against P5 competition (good game vs. WVU last year). Also guys like Vodo and even Satkus are at least rugged inside- in all likelihood next year JMU will be small/thin up front.

Again- it was a missed opportunity- why take your time with stuff like this? Jump right in and compete right away- every season and OOC schedule matters for the program and I just don't sense any urgency.

This is the most interesting OOC schedule I think I've seen to date. North Florida- a coach on JMU's staff used to be an assistant there and a former recruit of Coach Brady's for 2017 (Wes Morgan) is committed to play there next year. They just graduated a kid who made an NBA roster as well and I think their coach may have been among the names rumored to be in the mix for the JMU job.

@ Auburn (SEC)
Home vs. Edward Waters
Home vs. Miami (ACC)
@ LSU (SEC)
Home vs. Florida National
North Dakota (Neutral Court)
Cal State Bakersfield (Neutral Court)
@ Wright State
Home vs. Florida (SEC)
@ Syracuse (ACC)
@ Arkansas (SEC)
@ University of Texas Rio Grande Valley
Home vs. Thomas University
@ UCONN (AAC)
@FIU
Home vs. Ball State
Home vs. Palm Beach Atlantic

13 D1 games 8 of which are against Power Conference/Power Programs and 4 games/exhibitions against D2 or below? Talk about using the rules to your advantage from a scheduling and RPI standpoint.

I'm not suggesting that JMU tries this type of schedule it's a little excessive. The recruiting in Jacksonville probably affords them the opportunity to host Miami and Florida- the Valley can't measure up to that but still- they are playing 7-8 P5 teams- JMU can't play 2-3?
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CAA announces conference hoops schedule... http://caasports.com/news/2016/8/18/MBB_0818161209.aspx
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I was confused about the Montana State game but my understanding is it is apart of an exempt tournament that allows you to play 3 games for the price of 1. There is no bracket. So the game that made no sense to me now makes plenty of sense. Texas Southern and Rice are apart of this 3 for 1 I believe as well.

http://www.bloggingthebracket.com/2015/1...utral-site
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(08-18-2016 10:06 AM)UofRfan Wrote:  I was confused about the Montana State game but my understanding is it is apart of an exempt tournament that allows you to play 3 games for the price of 1. There is no bracket. So the game that made no sense to me now makes plenty of sense. Texas Southern and Rice are apart of this 3 for 1 I believe as well.

http://www.bloggingthebracket.com/2015/1...utral-site

That's correct. Additionally, Chris Dobberton, the lead of that site, recently advised me via email exchange will soon be authoring an article that outlines how these early season tournaments that aren't really tournaments may become more popular moving forward among the power conferences considering they may be moving to increased conference games and these types of events assure 4-5 home games for the big boys.

For example, the ACC is moving from 18 to 20 conference games in 2019 as part of their new ACC Network agreement adding inventory for ESPN and the new channel. That's going to leave about 11 games to schedule OOC. One of those is gone to the ACC-Big 10 Challenge thing. Working in a 3-game neutral site early season tournament while still needing the revenue of non-ACC home games for the schools like Duke, Syracuse, UNC, etc., who rake in a ton of cash from home hoops games is tricky in balancing with what they do currently. They of course will get 1 extra home conference game in moving to 20 so maybe it isn't that big of a deal. Will see what Chris says soon.

ESPN also though owns and runs a lot of these preseason tournaments in lush locales to which it will continue to want to run for TV filler entertainment mostly around Thanksgiving week/weekend. And, I believe the coaches will continue to want to travel to these locales for recruiting purposes if nothing else (coach to recruiting target: "hey Joe Blue Chip, come with us and over your time with us you'll visit the Bahamas, Vegas, etc.").

We'll see...
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(08-14-2016 12:26 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Okay, they scheduled three road loss payday games. How does that benefit them?

Fan interest? Mercer expects to win and progress as a program?

What should Mercer have done? Schedule the weakest teams in the state and then lauded that the Mercer basketball program has the highest winning percentage in GA?
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(08-18-2016 11:22 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  
(08-14-2016 12:26 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Okay, they scheduled three road loss payday games. How does that benefit them?

Fan interest? Mercer expects to win and progress as a program?

What should Mercer have done? Schedule the weakest teams in the state and then lauded that the Mercer basketball program has the highest winning percentage in GA?

Geez dude.....you should really get a job in the JMU Athletic Department and take over scheduling for all the athletic programs. JMU does exactly what everyone had been b***tching about and got ODU/Richmond/GMU back on the schedule. Still working on VCU for the future. They in the recent past played UVA in a 2 for 1 deal. By the way those 3 games really were great for the program and showed yeah you can't play with those guys. It did pack the convo though and those games were over in about 10 minutes each. This is the first season I can recall in recent memory without a P5 opponent, SO WHAT! Were you planning to go see them play against Syracuse or Michigan?
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