(07-13-2016 10:17 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I thought NBC-Sports was going to be part of the package for sure. Surprised me there wasn't much going on there.

I still believe that there is an opportunity for a national sports network to do for the G5 what Fox News did for conservatives. Conservatives were largely given short thrift in the media and when their point of view was talked about, it was generally only to be laughed at. I can remember "balanced" Sunday morning news talk shows (like ABC's "This Week") would usually consist of a talking heads round table with 3 Democrats and one Republican. The G5 is the same in that its an underserved audience (even more so than conservatives were) that is typically ignored and taken for granted---and when it is discussed---its usually done in a dismissive laughing tone.

Yet the total G5 fan base is a relatively big (and very loyal) audience when taken as a whole--especially for a cable network. If one national sports network attempted to court that audience--they would have no competition. All they would have to do is talk as much about the G5 as P5---talk intelligently about the teams of the G5--and have programs that discuss G5. They could have a Saturday "Game DayZ" program that traveled to the big G5 game of the day and shows that talked about the race for the access bowl. Hell, they could probably easily pick up the contract to televise several G5 bowls.

NBC-Sports would be the best potential outlet since they have about 80 million subscribers (compared to CBS with around 60 million subscribers), but CBS-Sports is probably in the best position to do it. They already have rights to a lot of G5 content. They have CUSA, AAC, MW, and MAC content. They just need to sign a deal to pick up some Sunbelt games and they would be set.

To me, its a no brainer strategy for CBS-Sports. Currently that network has no identity and no real following. Becoming the network of record for the G5 would give it a solid and loyal following.

The main issue is that G5 fans are really just fans of their school. They generally are only fans of their conference insofar as a new TV contract or member's success benefits their school. But the G5 as a concept doesn't drive emotions past frustrated mutterings from fans of G5 schools who see Big State U. getting network and ESPN exposure for their backup longsnapper's bowel movements and ridiculously more money for their media rights. There's no nationalistic zeal for being G5 any more than there would be for being third trombone in band class.

Plus like a dozen schools see themselves as P5-in-waiting, and more schools than that have long-game dreams of being there. Hard to rally around a designation that schools are actively trying to shed.

As such, the only people that would watch a G5 channel would be those who wanted to see their school's games. There wouldn't be enough people watching G5 football for the sake of it being G5 to make it a going concern.

(07-14-2016 02:56 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 10:17 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I thought NBC-Sports was going to be part of the package for sure. Surprised me there wasn't much going on there.

I still believe that there is an opportunity for a national sports network to do for the G5 what Fox News did for conservatives. Conservatives were largely given short thrift in the media and when their point of view was talked about, it was generally only to be laughed at. I can remember "balanced" Sunday morning news talk shows (like ABC's "This Week") would usually consist of a talking heads round table with 3 Democrats and one Republican. The G5 is the same in that its an underserved audience (even more so than conservatives were) that is typically ignored and taken for granted---and when it is discussed---its usually done in a dismissive laughing tone.

Yet the total G5 fan base is a relatively big (and very loyal) audience when taken as a whole--especially for a cable network. If one national sports network attempted to court that audience--they would have no competition. All they would have to do is talk as much about the G5 as P5---talk intelligently about the teams of the G5--and have programs that discuss G5. They could have a Saturday "Game DayZ" program that traveled to the big G5 game of the day and shows that talked about the race for the access bowl. Hell, they could probably easily pick up the contract to televise several G5 bowls.

NBC-Sports would be the best potential outlet since they have about 80 million subscribers (compared to CBS with around 60 million subscribers), but CBS-Sports is probably in the best position to do it. They already have rights to a lot of G5 content. They have CUSA, AAC, MW, and MAC content. They just need to sign a deal to pick up some Sunbelt games and they would be set.

To me, its a no brainer strategy for CBS-Sports. Currently that network has no identity and no real following. Becoming the network of record for the G5 would give it a solid and loyal following.

The main issue is that G5 fans are really just fans of their school. They generally are only fans of their conference insofar as a new TV contract or member's success benefits their school. But the G5 as a concept doesn't drive emotions past frustrated mutterings from fans of G5 schools who see Big State U. getting network and ESPN exposure for their backup longsnapper's bowel movements and ridiculously more money for their media rights. There's no nationalistic zeal for being G5 any more than there would be for being third trombone in band class.

Plus like a dozen schools see themselves as P5-in-waiting, and more schools than that have long-game dreams of being there. Hard to rally around a designation that schools are actively trying to shed.

As such, the only people that would watch a G5 channel would be those who wanted to see their school's games. There wouldn't be enough people watching G5 football for the sake of it being G5 to make it a going concern.

Actually being 3rd chair tromboner and 2nd chair skin fluter would be bigger than being G5 right now.
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NBC EPL production is one of the best sport productions around. EPL on NBC and USA is the only reason that I still keep cable.

I think G5 schools fans in general would support a G5 network. I certainly will watch a CUSA game before an ACC game given the chance. Especially so because the outcomes effect my team. I would hope MAC, MWC, AAC, SB fans would do the same for their conference brethren. I also think a full on split between the P and G is probably inevitable at this point. They've successfully made the advantages for themselves so large that anyone outside of their privileged clique can't expect to compete consistently. And if theres no championship to even remotely play for, why bother.

(07-14-2016 02:56 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 10:17 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I thought NBC-Sports was going to be part of the package for sure. Surprised me there wasn't much going on there.

I still believe that there is an opportunity for a national sports network to do for the G5 what Fox News did for conservatives. Conservatives were largely given short thrift in the media and when their point of view was talked about, it was generally only to be laughed at. I can remember "balanced" Sunday morning news talk shows (like ABC's "This Week") would usually consist of a talking heads round table with 3 Democrats and one Republican. The G5 is the same in that its an underserved audience (even more so than conservatives were) that is typically ignored and taken for granted---and when it is discussed---its usually done in a dismissive laughing tone.

Yet the total G5 fan base is a relatively big (and very loyal) audience when taken as a whole--especially for a cable network. If one national sports network attempted to court that audience--they would have no competition. All they would have to do is talk as much about the G5 as P5---talk intelligently about the teams of the G5--and have programs that discuss G5. They could have a Saturday "Game DayZ" program that traveled to the big G5 game of the day and shows that talked about the race for the access bowl. Hell, they could probably easily pick up the contract to televise several G5 bowls.

NBC-Sports would be the best potential outlet since they have about 80 million subscribers (compared to CBS with around 60 million subscribers), but CBS-Sports is probably in the best position to do it. They already have rights to a lot of G5 content. They have CUSA, AAC, MW, and MAC content. They just need to sign a deal to pick up some Sunbelt games and they would be set.

To me, its a no brainer strategy for CBS-Sports. Currently that network has no identity and no real following. Becoming the network of record for the G5 would give it a solid and loyal following.

The main issue is that G5 fans are really just fans of their school. They generally are only fans of their conference insofar as a new TV contract or member's success benefits their school. But the G5 as a concept doesn't drive emotions past frustrated mutterings from fans of G5 schools who see Big State U. getting network and ESPN exposure for their backup longsnapper's bowel movements and ridiculously more money for their media rights. There's no nationalistic zeal for being G5 any more than there would be for being third trombone in band class.

Plus like a dozen schools see themselves as P5-in-waiting, and more schools than that have long-game dreams of being there. Hard to rally around a designation that schools are actively trying to shed.

As such, the only people that would watch a G5 channel would be those who wanted to see their school's games. There wouldn't be enough people watching G5 football for the sake of it being G5 to make it a going concern.

Nobody said it would be bigger than the P5. That said, there is a significant audience for G5 football. Look, what Im saying is ESPN talking head shows are not going to spend ANY time discussing Arky St or ODU (or any other member of the G5). But on a network that positioned itself as the network of record for the G5---CBS Sports (for example) would often make schools like that the topic of these shows (if they are having a good season). The race for the G5 access bowl would be a very intriguing story to follow over the course of the year---yet its a story that's barely even discussed on the other sports networks.

Im suggesting there is a very loyal and financially well off college educated following that would watch a lot of games and talking head shows on a network that gave the G5 as much time as the P5 and treated them as seriously and as competently as they do the P5. Not everyone can be ESPN. There is room for a niche network to do quite well by appealing to a fairly large affluent audience that ESPN essentially ignores.

I think that the closest that we ever came to something like the above ideas happening was with the CUSA/MWC Alliance. The coast-to-coast geography of that setup would have allowed for a full day of college football, 7 a.m. on the west coast to 2 a.m on the east coast. CBS CS had major ties to both conferences at the time. Many teams bolted for the Big East and killed that momentum, but I think the concept could still work.

First, though, G5 football has to be regionalized. This will help at the gate and create regional interest. With most G5 play being regional with little regular season crossover, a network such as CBS CS could push the narrative "which regional Cinderella is worthy of the Access Bowl?" One will make the access bowl, the rest of the G5 champs could duke it out in champ vs. champ bowl games for perceived G5 supremacy which would gain for a conference the upper hand for the next year's Access Bowl. I know that most would rather beat P5's in bowls, but after a season of coverage and promotion by a network comparing G5 conferences and teams, I think that there would be bragging rights worth fighting for.

I think that the above scenario is the best that most G5's could hope for. I also think that the TV deal would be much more respectable than what we are currently getting and the gates and revenues would be far greater.

(07-14-2016 02:56 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  There's no nationalistic zeal for being G5 any more than there would be for being third trombone in band class.

I love this analogy. As a bass trombonist, it has a special place in my heart. It's also perfect. Only people like me love playing that third part. Only alums of the G5 (mostly) are all-in on G5 football.

imo nbcsports is waiting on a second chance at the AAC which is why they didn't go after c-usa
i thought for sure theyd go after c-usa after losing the AAC and then losing their MWC sublicensed content last year

i don't buy the " I don't think college football is their focus" when the AAC current ESPN deal is a matched nbcsports offer in all aspects, our deal has a guaranteed minimum of 85% of games natl televised. espn with 4 channels, thats not a big deal. but nbcsports is 1 channel, they offered that many guaranteed games to air on 1 channel. not even mentioning aresco said nbcsports wanted a 12 year deal, we only wanted a 3 year deal (we settled on 6)
NBC essentially wanted to make nbcsn All AAC 24/7 for atleast 12 years just 2 years ago but now doesn't want any college at all..that doesn't add up to me, especially since espn got the AAC on a non-compete contract technicality
our deal is short term nbc knows that ...
IMO nbc is going to try and make another run at the AAC, which is why they aren't going after anyone else (only 1 channel, limited tv slots)..similar to fs1, your ADs said fs1 didn't want weekend c-usa games because they wanted to save slots for the big 10 incase

good news for c-usa is fs1 didn't get as much big 10 games as it wanted and aresco has said he prefers to resign with espn..if c-usa performs on the field, there will be more networks willing to bid next go round

Its not that we didn't try. NBC has decided to focus on other sports. When Fox decided just focus on P5 it meant there was no market and no one to negotiate against. That per exec level person in the MT athletic dept.

And then we've already discussed ad nausea the ESPN situation. When you think about there are I-AA leagues with better TV deals. It couldn't have come at any worse time for us. You can't fix unlucky timing.

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NBC has been annoying me with the tour de france. I can't watch the dan patrick show in the morning getting ready for work.