I like the Spiders. Could also go with Buckeyes which would honor their Negro League team from the 40s.

I have to imagine the Rockies would object to the Rockers

Spiders? Sounds like a name for losers...

(12-14-2020 09:35 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  I read somewhere the mark point where Cleveland chose this name. Like many old ones, it came from a sportswriter and had something to do with a Native American player. The roots on this one aren’t deep. I suspect they will find something more in line with Cleveland. Maybe the Flames. Back in the day, they were best known for their river catching fire.

For anyone who cares, I recommend this Joe Posnanski essay:

https://joeposnanski.substack.com/p/changing-of-a-name

Short version: The name Indians was chosen by the local sportswriters in 1915. There was an an American Indian, Louis Sockalexis, who played for the Spiders from 1897-1899, and he was cited by the Plain Dealer as part of the reason for the selection. It seems pretty clear, however, that this was more happy coincidence than impetus.

(12-14-2020 09:39 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  The first thing that comes to my mind when I think Cleveland is Lebron, but it might be tough to name a baseball team after him

"Dawgs" in honor of their Dog Pound

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Well, they were the Spiders, they have been called The Tribe, they already have the Cavaliers, they used to have the Rams, so I guess they should just choose Hokies and close out the state nicknames...

The Cleveland Hokie-Pokies.

More Dominoes?
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2922...=editorial

Still irksome that its a seemingly double standard with FSU etc. Shouldnt matter if they team at some point got the local tribal council to sign off on it.
https://www.thenation.com/article/archiv...t-mascots/

Well, it wasn't "at some point" -- FSU has the current and active support of the Seminole Tribe of Florida.

(12-16-2020 10:02 AM)Tank55 Wrote:  Well, it wasn't "at some point" -- FSU has the current and active support of the Seminole Tribe of Florida.

Of Florida, but not of the majority of Seminoles, which are located in Oklahoma. They condemned the use of Seminoles officially in 2013. The characterization of Chief Osceola includes a large number of inaccuracies, which also indicates FSU isn't really interested in honoring anyone as much as having a mascot with a flaming spear.

https://spiremagazine.com/2017/11/27/let...seminoles/

Yeah as the article states. The Trail of Tears didnt end with "let bygones be bygones." Seminole Council is different from Seminole Tribal Nation...to me it seems like your typical slimy backroom political deal.

"these Oklahoma Seminoles, who are the majority, oppose the name.

As for the Florida Seminole Tribal Council, it is the owner of a series of luxury casino hotels throughout the state where the Seminole “brand” is prominently on display.

For the wealthy and powerful Florida Seminole tribal leaders, the cultural elevation of the football program is a part of their extremely lucrative gaming operation. Defending the school’s use of the name is about defending its brand. That is why the chairman of the Florida Seminole Tribe of Florida, James Billie, said, “Anybody come here into Florida trying to tell us to change the name, they better go someplace else, because we’re not changing the name.”"

I don't disagree that it's slimy. I just don't think it's really a double standard, and I definitely don't think it can be framed as something that happened once upon a time.