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ISIS or... Putin?
Everyone is now saying the bombing in Istanbul involved ISIS.

But the bombers were Russian, Kyrgiz and Uzbek.

Could Putin have been involved as a payback for shooting down his jet? Or at least failed to stop it?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey...SKCN0ZG0RM
06-30-2016 01:28 PM
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(06-30-2016 01:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  Everyone is now saying the bombing in Istanbul involved ISIS.

But the bombers were Russian, Kyrgiz and Uzbek.

Could Putin have been involved as a payback for shooting down his jet? Or at least failed to stop it?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey...SKCN0ZG0RM

Boston Marathon bombers from the Chechnya region in Russia, an area plagued by radical Islamism.
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No. Putin would not send suicide bombers, and I don't think he'd want to encourage them from his territories.
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Most of the the countries just south of Russia are Muslim dominated. There are a lot of active terror cells in these countries, we just don't see them on the news as much because it typically a Russian problem, not a western or European problem.

It appears they are coming our of the shadows as Russia is getting directly involved in the Middle east now.
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It should also be noted that I think Uzbekistan is one of the more secular Islamic nations (meaning that the people are Islamic but not terribly interested in religion).

I'm not sure where I'd seen that reference, but wiki seems to back it up...

Islam in Uzbekistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Uzbekistan Wrote:Few respondents showed interest in a form of Islam that would participate actively in political issues. Thus, the first years of post-Soviet religious freedom seem to have fostered a form of Islam related to the Uzbek population more in traditional and cultural terms than in religious ones
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I might be mistaken but I heard that the attacks in Turkey have to do with politics and not religion.
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(06-30-2016 01:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  Everyone is now saying the bombing in Istanbul involved ISIS.

But the bombers were Russian, Kyrgiz and Uzbek.

Could Putin have been involved as a payback for shooting down his jet? Or at least failed to stop it?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey...SKCN0ZG0RM

I'm willing to consider the position that the FSB was behind the Moscow apartment bombings in the late 1990's....

But this seems to be more of an ISIS type thing. Kind of a payback to Erdogan for linking back up with Putin.
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(06-30-2016 05:23 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  But this seems to be more of an ISIS type thing. Kind of a payback to Erdogan for linking back up with Putin.

Turkey also renewed diplomatic relations with Israel just a few days ago. However, this seems to have been planned well in advance, and is probably just part of an ongoing against Turkey.
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It’s crazy to think that Obama and Hillary think that our current strategy to not “further radicalize” Muslims by being more tolerant and accepting is working, when ISIS is willing to send suicide bombers to attack a country that has a leader who is aimed at instituting Sharia Law. How more Muslim can you get than Sharia Law? Even THAT is not enough for them.
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(06-30-2016 01:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  Everyone is now saying the bombing in Istanbul involved ISIS.

But the bombers were Russian, Kyrgiz and Uzbek.

Could Putin have been involved as a payback for shooting down his jet? Or at least failed to stop it?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey...SKCN0ZG0RM

No. Putin would not send suicide bombers into an airport full of civilians, he would send double agents to poison Turkish leaders. Suicide bombing civilians is bush league.
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(07-01-2016 08:02 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(06-30-2016 01:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  Everyone is now saying the bombing in Istanbul involved ISIS.

But the bombers were Russian, Kyrgiz and Uzbek.

Could Putin have been involved as a payback for shooting down his jet? Or at least failed to stop it?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey...SKCN0ZG0RM

No. Putin would not send suicide bombers into an airport full of civilians, he would send double agents to poison Turkish leaders. Suicide bombing civilians is bush league.
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(07-01-2016 07:56 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  It’s crazy to think that Obama and Hillary think that our current strategy to not “further radicalize” Muslims by being more tolerant and accepting is working, when ISIS is willing to send suicide bombers to attack a country that has a leader who is aimed at instituting Sharia Law. How more Muslim can you get than Sharia Law? Even THAT is not enough for them.

ISIS cares less about religion than they do about Sunni Arab independence. That's not to say they don't care about religion - they clearly do... it enables their ethnic cleansing by way of enslaving, converting, killing, or forcing people to leave. Turks are not Arabs, and they are assisting US attacks on ISIS. Turkey will likely respond by invading Syria (with Russian permission) and attacking the Kurds... that does three things that retaliating against ISIS would not necessarily do: - (1) works to achieve Turkey's goal of weakening the Kurds and preventing a viable Kurdish state, (2) appeases the Turkish electorate (do something!), (3) avoids angering ISIS into further attacks in response. Russia will be down with weakening the Kurds. The only three actors that are genuinely fighting ISIS are (1) the Kurds, (2) the Iraqi army (it's nothing new, it gives them a chance to kill Sunni Arabs, just this time under a black flag), and (3) the US... the most naive actor in the conflict.

Turkey's aim: repress the Kurds. target: Kurds
Syria's aim: chase the Sunni Arabs out of Syria. target: Rebel Groups not named ISIS, Sunni Arab civilians, Kurds
Iran's aim: prop up the Syrian govt and get their hooks into the Iraqis, weaken the US. target: Sunni Arabs
Hezbollah's aim: Iran's *****... no play, no pay. target: Sunni Arabs
Russia's aim: Prop up the Syrian govt., weaken the US. target: Sunni rebel groups not named ISIS (but claim to fight only ISIS)
Kurd's aim: Independence. target: ISIS
US aim: practically aimless. target: ISIS
Saudi, Gulf States aim: contain Iran. target: Assad, by way of funding ISIS and similar groups

ISIS exists at the pleasure of Syria, Iran, and Russia. Syria acted to radicalize its opposition and has focused its attention on moderates and civilians. I'm not sure if they could care less if there were an Islamic Caliphate in Raqaa and Western Iraq as long as they held on to the rest of Syria. Likewise, they may be ok with a Kurdish state as long as they didn't lose strategic or valuable territory.

However, it's a mistake to view ISIS as just a group of Islamist loons. Most of the important actors in the area are Islamist loons. Others like Assad could care less, except to the extent it helps or harms their control of their state.
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