I would love to be where WVU is as a football program. I just didn’t see the point of the second video posted by the OP. As I said- “a moderately successful program”. That isn’t a slight, it just is what is. Here are the facts:

Since 2000 WVU has had 9 top 25 finishes, of which 2 were top 10. Solid. I would take it but it’s hardly dynastic.

And unless you’re playing in the playoffs, my opinion is very much that the bowl games are little more than meaningless exhibitions.

(08-28-2019 09:32 AM)Ashby Hall Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 08:55 AM)doubleduke2016 Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 08:15 AM)wvufaninmotown Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 07:20 AM)doubleduke2016 Wrote:  I like the repeated phrase of "big boy program" that we keep hearing. As if they're trying to convince themselves they're a big boy program. In all honesty, one of the major flaws on NCAA football is that there are about a half dozen "big boy programs" Alabama, Clemson, Ohio, Oklahoma, and maybe 1-2 others. Those are the teams that make the "playoffs" those are the teams that will get the TV/Media exposure, those are the teams that will be talked about non-stop on national sports radio. The other 120+ programs are all playing little brother football. If they have an amazing season they get to play in the second rate over-saturated holiday bowl game. If that is what is meant by "big boy" football I think I'll enjoy the little boy football of home playoff games, the electricity of a last minute comeback in a quarterfinal game, the exposure of defeating a giant in a semifinal game and the opportunity for our fans to travel to a championship game and have gameday as a regular at our school in the past few years. But you keep convincing yourself that 0.001% chance of making a 4-team playoff is "big boy" while the real "big boy" programs continue to create a greater and greater divide between the few teams that have a shot and the WVU's/Pitt's/ODU's/ECU's of the world.

You really show a lack of understanding and the more you put WVU down, you put yourself down even further. WVU fans and admin know the chances of getting in a 4 team playoff. We also know we were two games away last year from that opportunity (games lost by a few points at Okie State and Oklahoma). Its all good man.
I've watched and attended those 'crappy big boy' Liberty, Gator, Sugar, Fiesta, Orange, Peach, National Championship and countless others. While you continue to down play that, when you look in the mirror and hope to be on the same level and strain and struggle for respect, you will realize putting people down that have accomplished more is really just comical. When the whistle blows and whatever outcome occurs, you will still like your team even though they're playing in half empty stadiums against teams no one knows. We will still be playing in packed houses and still be a top program earning 40+ million a year.
Keep the put downs coming they are funny.

BTW, I think we struggle for a good bit Saturday for a quarter or even two because you have a talented team, but I do believe we will wear you down for a 20 point victory. My fam will be in our 4 seats on the 50 in Row 27 behind your teams bench. travel safely.

The irony runs deep here "we are big boy and you are not" juxtaposed with "if putting people down makes you feel good..."

First of all, I am not putting you down I'm just saying you're pants are as big as you think they are. Second of all, I am probably in the minority, but I think there are two fertile zones to be in in NCAA football. The top of FBS and the top of FCS. I would 100% take the top of FCS over the middle of FBS. Many of our fans would not and I understand their POV but I love the playoff atmosphere and the chance to win a championship. To me it seems counter-intuitive to sports to not get to play for a championship at the end of the year if you have a great season (see UCF). So while I understand the point it is actually not true with me. I think unless we can somehow become 'Bama or Clemson overnight we are in the next best spot in NCAA football. We still get to play FBS teams occasionally, we get gameday more than most FBS schools, we get televised games, we get a packed stadium, and we get (and my favorite) a true playoff atmosphere that I don't want to trade for a bowl game where the winner gets...(something?)

I am in complete agreement with this. I would rather have a shot at the playoffs every year as opposed to only a chance at a meaningless bowl game.

They play in the Big12 they have a chance at the playoff every single year....

(08-28-2019 08:55 AM)doubleduke2016 Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 08:15 AM)wvufaninmotown Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 07:20 AM)doubleduke2016 Wrote:  I like the repeated phrase of "big boy program" that we keep hearing. As if they're trying to convince themselves they're a big boy program. In all honesty, one of the major flaws on NCAA football is that there are about a half dozen "big boy programs" Alabama, Clemson, Ohio, Oklahoma, and maybe 1-2 others. Those are the teams that make the "playoffs" those are the teams that will get the TV/Media exposure, those are the teams that will be talked about non-stop on national sports radio. The other 120+ programs are all playing little brother football. If they have an amazing season they get to play in the second rate over-saturated holiday bowl game. If that is what is meant by "big boy" football I think I'll enjoy the little boy football of home playoff games, the electricity of a last minute comeback in a quarterfinal game, the exposure of defeating a giant in a semifinal game and the opportunity for our fans to travel to a championship game and have gameday as a regular at our school in the past few years. But you keep convincing yourself that 0.001% chance of making a 4-team playoff is "big boy" while the real "big boy" programs continue to create a greater and greater divide between the few teams that have a shot and the WVU's/Pitt's/ODU's/ECU's of the world.

You really show a lack of understanding and the more you put WVU down, you put yourself down even further. WVU fans and admin know the chances of getting in a 4 team playoff. We also know we were two games away last year from that opportunity (games lost by a few points at Okie State and Oklahoma). Its all good man.
I've watched and attended those 'crappy big boy' Liberty, Gator, Sugar, Fiesta, Orange, Peach, National Championship and countless others. While you continue to down play that, when you look in the mirror and hope to be on the same level and strain and struggle for respect, you will realize putting people down that have accomplished more is really just comical. When the whistle blows and whatever outcome occurs, you will still like your team even though they're playing in half empty stadiums against teams no one knows. We will still be playing in packed houses and still be a top program earning 40+ million a year.
Keep the put downs coming they are funny.

BTW, I think we struggle for a good bit Saturday for a quarter or even two because you have a talented team, but I do believe we will wear you down for a 20 point victory. My fam will be in our 4 seats on the 50 in Row 27 behind your teams bench. travel safely.

The irony runs deep here "we are big boy and you are not" juxtaposed with "if putting people down makes you feel good..."

First of all, I am not putting you down I'm just saying you're pants are as big as you think they are. Second of all, I am probably in the minority, but I think there are two fertile zones to be in in NCAA football. The top of FBS and the top of FCS. I would 100% take the top of FCS over the middle of FBS. Many of our fans would not and I understand their POV but I love the playoff atmosphere and the chance to win a championship. To me it seems counter-intuitive to sports to not get to play for a championship at the end of the year if you have a great season (see UCF). So while I understand the point it is actually not true with me. I think unless we can somehow become 'Bama or Clemson overnight we are in the next best spot in NCAA football. We still get to play FBS teams occasionally, we get gameday more than most FBS schools, we get televised games, we get a packed stadium, and we get (and my favorite) a true playoff atmosphere that I don't want to trade for a bowl game where the winner gets...(something?)

As I have said many times before, it isn't the post-season that makes the move to FBS worthwhile. It is playing FBS teams week in and week out during the regular season.

I will take a bowl ring and a schedule without the likes of STFU (St. Francis). My dos centavos!

(08-28-2019 10:15 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 09:53 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 08:20 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 07:38 AM)doubleduke2016 Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 07:30 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  I'm all for ripping on WVU and their fans but you really can't put them in the same class as Pitt/ODU/ECU. Clemson/Alabama/OSU/ Insert 1-2 other teams are in a league of their own with the other P5 teams a step below in recent years but WVU has been a respected program for a long long time which will make a win against them that much sweeter

But I think that is my point. If you are not in the top tier of FBS then you win nothing more than everyone else who is ok. A average to crappy bowl game that will be played during 1000 other bowl games over the holidays. If they have their best season ever they still play in a mid level bowl game while the "big boys" play in the 4-team playoffs. I'm not sure how it is "big boy" when the big kids barely know your name and won't let you play with their toys.

That might be how you feel, but not the way I feel. I see WVU as a solid top 25 FBS program. As said above they are not a Clemson/Bama/OSU caliber program, but they are also not comparible to ECU/ODU/Pitt. You can have a solid program that is quite impressive and not be a top 4 playoff team.

If your tiers for FBS are playoff teams, and everyone else than WVU fits in the everyone else catigory, but WVU is certainly within the top 20% of FBS programs. They have fairly consistently lived in the top 25 for a long time.......

This....Frankly, I find it hard to relate to the fans who wouldn't want to be where WVU is currently (P5) and have their history. It's pretty darn solid. If they were to come into a season with a decent ranking and then run the table, they would definitely be in the mix for the 4 team playoffs.

98% of the people that claim they will take a FCS playoff over a non playoff Bowl game are FCS fans defending their level of play.

Exactly. The average bowl TV ratings after taking out the ratings for the playoffs is 1.97. About 3.2 million viewers. The FCS championship typically draws less than a million viewers. And that is with very little competition because bowl season isn't completely underway yet. So JMU fans are in the minority. I get why they would pick that level because that is the team you follow, but most people prefer the FBS model. That is where the exposure is, not the FCS playoffs. And the regular season college football games, especially in power 5 leagues dwarf most of the bowl ratings. FBS football in the power 5 is the 2nd most popular sport in America. Just an fyi but WVU's bowl abomination appearance last season drew a 2.8, which is 4.8 million viewers. Not too shabby, but I prefer not to remember that outcome. So glad Will Grier decided to sit out of that bowl game so he could get drafted in the 3rd round (sarcasm font intended).

(08-28-2019 12:27 PM)Old School Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 10:15 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 09:53 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 08:20 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 07:38 AM)doubleduke2016 Wrote:  But I think that is my point. If you are not in the top tier of FBS then you win nothing more than everyone else who is ok. A average to crappy bowl game that will be played during 1000 other bowl games over the holidays. If they have their best season ever they still play in a mid level bowl game while the "big boys" play in the 4-team playoffs. I'm not sure how it is "big boy" when the big kids barely know your name and won't let you play with their toys.

That might be how you feel, but not the way I feel. I see WVU as a solid top 25 FBS program. As said above they are not a Clemson/Bama/OSU caliber program, but they are also not comparible to ECU/ODU/Pitt. You can have a solid program that is quite impressive and not be a top 4 playoff team.

If your tiers for FBS are playoff teams, and everyone else than WVU fits in the everyone else catigory, but WVU is certainly within the top 20% of FBS programs. They have fairly consistently lived in the top 25 for a long time.......

This....Frankly, I find it hard to relate to the fans who wouldn't want to be where WVU is currently (P5) and have their history. It's pretty darn solid. If they were to come into a season with a decent ranking and then run the table, they would definitely be in the mix for the 4 team playoffs.

98% of the people that claim they will take a FCS playoff over a non playoff Bowl game are FCS fans defending their level of play.

Exactly. The average bowl TV ratings after taking out the ratings for the playoffs is 1.97. About 3.2 million viewers. The FCS championship typically draws less than a million viewers. And that is with very little competition because bowl season isn't completely underway yet. So JMU fans are in the minority. I get why they would pick that level because that is the team you follow, but most people prefer the FBS model. That is where the exposure is, not the FCS playoffs. And the regular season college football games, especially in power 5 leagues dwarf most of the bowl ratings. FBS football in the power 5 is the 2nd most popular sport in America. Just an fyi but WVU's bowl abomination appearance last season drew a 2.8, which is 4.8 million viewers. Not too shabby, but I prefer not to remember that outcome. So glad Will Grier decided to sit out of that bowl game so he could get drafted in the 3rd round (sarcasm font intended).

The only proof I need as to whether JMU should be FBS or not is simple, we crave the games where we are equal to or slight underdogs to the competition. This board lights up and dang near starts smoking leading up to a game where we're not totally confident of a win. I'll include some of the FCS games, but when we're headed up to URI, Albany, even Towson, only the diehards are alive. At least half our schedule is against opponents who'll not be around during the second half of the game. Nothing better than being uncertain about the finish until the end against a worthy opponent.

(08-28-2019 03:59 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 12:27 PM)Old School Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 10:15 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 09:53 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 08:20 AM)Dukester Wrote:  That might be how you feel, but not the way I feel. I see WVU as a solid top 25 FBS program. As said above they are not a Clemson/Bama/OSU caliber program, but they are also not comparible to ECU/ODU/Pitt. You can have a solid program that is quite impressive and not be a top 4 playoff team.

If your tiers for FBS are playoff teams, and everyone else than WVU fits in the everyone else catigory, but WVU is certainly within the top 20% of FBS programs. They have fairly consistently lived in the top 25 for a long time.......

This....Frankly, I find it hard to relate to the fans who wouldn't want to be where WVU is currently (P5) and have their history. It's pretty darn solid. If they were to come into a season with a decent ranking and then run the table, they would definitely be in the mix for the 4 team playoffs.

98% of the people that claim they will take a FCS playoff over a non playoff Bowl game are FCS fans defending their level of play.

Exactly. The average bowl TV ratings after taking out the ratings for the playoffs is 1.97. About 3.2 million viewers. The FCS championship typically draws less than a million viewers. And that is with very little competition because bowl season isn't completely underway yet. So JMU fans are in the minority. I get why they would pick that level because that is the team you follow, but most people prefer the FBS model. That is where the exposure is, not the FCS playoffs. And the regular season college football games, especially in power 5 leagues dwarf most of the bowl ratings. FBS football in the power 5 is the 2nd most popular sport in America. Just an fyi but WVU's bowl abomination appearance last season drew a 2.8, which is 4.8 million viewers. Not too shabby, but I prefer not to remember that outcome. So glad Will Grier decided to sit out of that bowl game so he could get drafted in the 3rd round (sarcasm font intended).

The only proof I need as to whether JMU should be FBS or not is simple, we crave the games where we are equal to or slight underdogs to the competition. This board lights up and dang near starts smoking leading up to a game where we're not totally confident of a win. I'll include some of the FCS games, but when we're headed up to URI, Albany, even Towson, only the diehards are alive. At least half our schedule is against opponents who'll not be around during the second half of the game. Nothing better than being uncertain about the finish until the end against a worthy opponent.

That is not a JMU or FCS thing though. That is a college football thing. Close game are an NFL thing and a conference championship thing. Not a regular season college football thing. If you look at regular season games for most college teams from the best (Clemson/Alabama) to the Middle (WVU) to the bottom (ODU) the vast majority of the games are have the winning team by well over 2 scores.

While I am also not a fan of a blowout, unless we reach 100 pts which we could have done against RI a few years ago, not still bitter, I don't think moving to FBS fixes that. There are just too many college football teams and the parity is insane even within each level (P5, G5, FCS, etc.) For context WVU played one close game in front of their home fans last year. A 3pt loss to Oklahoma late in the season. Apart from that every other home game was at least a 2TD game and most were 30-40pt blowouts. FBS doesn't magically make the games closer.

(08-29-2019 07:48 AM)doubleduke2016 Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 03:59 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 12:27 PM)Old School Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 10:15 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 09:53 AM)olddawg Wrote:  This....Frankly, I find it hard to relate to the fans who wouldn't want to be where WVU is currently (P5) and have their history. It's pretty darn solid. If they were to come into a season with a decent ranking and then run the table, they would definitely be in the mix for the 4 team playoffs.

98% of the people that claim they will take a FCS playoff over a non playoff Bowl game are FCS fans defending their level of play.

Exactly. The average bowl TV ratings after taking out the ratings for the playoffs is 1.97. About 3.2 million viewers. The FCS championship typically draws less than a million viewers. And that is with very little competition because bowl season isn't completely underway yet. So JMU fans are in the minority. I get why they would pick that level because that is the team you follow, but most people prefer the FBS model. That is where the exposure is, not the FCS playoffs. And the regular season college football games, especially in power 5 leagues dwarf most of the bowl ratings. FBS football in the power 5 is the 2nd most popular sport in America. Just an fyi but WVU's bowl abomination appearance last season drew a 2.8, which is 4.8 million viewers. Not too shabby, but I prefer not to remember that outcome. So glad Will Grier decided to sit out of that bowl game so he could get drafted in the 3rd round (sarcasm font intended).

The only proof I need as to whether JMU should be FBS or not is simple, we crave the games where we are equal to or slight underdogs to the competition. This board lights up and dang near starts smoking leading up to a game where we're not totally confident of a win. I'll include some of the FCS games, but when we're headed up to URI, Albany, even Towson, only the diehards are alive. At least half our schedule is against opponents who'll not be around during the second half of the game. Nothing better than being uncertain about the finish until the end against a worthy opponent.

That is not a JMU or FCS thing though. That is a college football thing. Close game are an NFL thing and a conference championship thing. Not a regular season college football thing. If you look at regular season games for most college teams from the best (Clemson/Alabama) to the Middle (WVU) to the bottom (ODU) the vast majority of the games are have the winning team by well over 2 scores.

While I am also not a fan of a blowout, unless we reach 100 pts which we could have done against RI a few years ago, not still bitter, I don't think moving to FBS fixes that. There are just too many college football teams and the parity is insane even within each level (P5, G5, FCS, etc.) For context WVU played one close game in front of their home fans last year. A 3pt loss to Oklahoma late in the season. Apart from that every other home game was at least a 2TD game and most were 30-40pt blowouts. FBS doesn't magically make the games closer.

Not trying to be condescending, but why are conversations often turned into "home" games versus the entire schedule? I never break out our games as home versus away. Doesn't matter to me if we slaughter someone on their turf or ours and for fact I stated, "when we're headed up to URI, Albany, even Towson." This thought process is the reason we use the statement "living inside the bubble".

(08-29-2019 08:18 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(08-29-2019 07:48 AM)doubleduke2016 Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 03:59 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 12:27 PM)Old School Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 10:15 AM)Dukester Wrote:  98% of the people that claim they will take a FCS playoff over a non playoff Bowl game are FCS fans defending their level of play.

Exactly. The average bowl TV ratings after taking out the ratings for the playoffs is 1.97. About 3.2 million viewers. The FCS championship typically draws less than a million viewers. And that is with very little competition because bowl season isn't completely underway yet. So JMU fans are in the minority. I get why they would pick that level because that is the team you follow, but most people prefer the FBS model. That is where the exposure is, not the FCS playoffs. And the regular season college football games, especially in power 5 leagues dwarf most of the bowl ratings. FBS football in the power 5 is the 2nd most popular sport in America. Just an fyi but WVU's bowl abomination appearance last season drew a 2.8, which is 4.8 million viewers. Not too shabby, but I prefer not to remember that outcome. So glad Will Grier decided to sit out of that bowl game so he could get drafted in the 3rd round (sarcasm font intended).

The only proof I need as to whether JMU should be FBS or not is simple, we crave the games where we are equal to or slight underdogs to the competition. This board lights up and dang near starts smoking leading up to a game where we're not totally confident of a win. I'll include some of the FCS games, but when we're headed up to URI, Albany, even Towson, only the diehards are alive. At least half our schedule is against opponents who'll not be around during the second half of the game. Nothing better than being uncertain about the finish until the end against a worthy opponent.

That is not a JMU or FCS thing though. That is a college football thing. Close game are an NFL thing and a conference championship thing. Not a regular season college football thing. If you look at regular season games for most college teams from the best (Clemson/Alabama) to the Middle (WVU) to the bottom (ODU) the vast majority of the games are have the winning team by well over 2 scores.

While I am also not a fan of a blowout, unless we reach 100 pts which we could have done against RI a few years ago, not still bitter, I don't think moving to FBS fixes that. There are just too many college football teams and the parity is insane even within each level (P5, G5, FCS, etc.) For context WVU played one close game in front of their home fans last year. A 3pt loss to Oklahoma late in the season. Apart from that every other home game was at least a 2TD game and most were 30-40pt blowouts. FBS doesn't magically make the games closer.

Not trying to be condescending, but why are conversations often turned into "home" games versus the entire schedule? I never break out our games as home versus away. Doesn't matter to me if we slaughter someone on their turf or ours and for fact I stated, "when we're headed up to URI, Albany, even Towson." This thought process is the reason we use the statement "living inside the bubble".

I guess because your home games are where the majority of your fans will be so you'll want to put on your best show for them. I imagine it would be pretty disappointing to have close games every year at your opponents stadiums and blowouts every year at all of your home games if your goal was to have close exciting games. The Weber State game was probably the most exciting game I've ever been to in person. If that game was played at Weber it would have still been good bot not nearly as exciting. My point is that if we think going to FBS automatically makes the experience better for our fans who attend our games I don't think that is true. I've had this argument in person with folks before as well but it is one reason why I think regular season NFL is so much better is that every week most of the games are close and could go either way. In college the vast majority of the games each week are blowouts with a handful of games being close. I don't think blowout games is the best argument for FCS vs FBS because I don't think it changes much. There are some good reasons for FBS I'm sure. Although for what it's worth I would take top of the FCS all day against G5. But I also know there are many who 100% disagree with me on that. I would also take close games over blowouts all day. The only danger is that if you play close games you probably lose a few as well which is not as much fun.

(08-29-2019 08:47 AM)doubleduke2016 Wrote:  

(08-29-2019 08:18 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(08-29-2019 07:48 AM)doubleduke2016 Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 03:59 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 12:27 PM)Old School Wrote:  Exactly. The average bowl TV ratings after taking out the ratings for the playoffs is 1.97. About 3.2 million viewers. The FCS championship typically draws less than a million viewers. And that is with very little competition because bowl season isn't completely underway yet. So JMU fans are in the minority. I get why they would pick that level because that is the team you follow, but most people prefer the FBS model. That is where the exposure is, not the FCS playoffs. And the regular season college football games, especially in power 5 leagues dwarf most of the bowl ratings. FBS football in the power 5 is the 2nd most popular sport in America. Just an fyi but WVU's bowl abomination appearance last season drew a 2.8, which is 4.8 million viewers. Not too shabby, but I prefer not to remember that outcome. So glad Will Grier decided to sit out of that bowl game so he could get drafted in the 3rd round (sarcasm font intended).

The only proof I need as to whether JMU should be FBS or not is simple, we crave the games where we are equal to or slight underdogs to the competition. This board lights up and dang near starts smoking leading up to a game where we're not totally confident of a win. I'll include some of the FCS games, but when we're headed up to URI, Albany, even Towson, only the diehards are alive. At least half our schedule is against opponents who'll not be around during the second half of the game. Nothing better than being uncertain about the finish until the end against a worthy opponent.

That is not a JMU or FCS thing though. That is a college football thing. Close game are an NFL thing and a conference championship thing. Not a regular season college football thing. If you look at regular season games for most college teams from the best (Clemson/Alabama) to the Middle (WVU) to the bottom (ODU) the vast majority of the games are have the winning team by well over 2 scores.

While I am also not a fan of a blowout, unless we reach 100 pts which we could have done against RI a few years ago, not still bitter, I don't think moving to FBS fixes that. There are just too many college football teams and the parity is insane even within each level (P5, G5, FCS, etc.) For context WVU played one close game in front of their home fans last year. A 3pt loss to Oklahoma late in the season. Apart from that every other home game was at least a 2TD game and most were 30-40pt blowouts. FBS doesn't magically make the games closer.

Not trying to be condescending, but why are conversations often turned into "home" games versus the entire schedule? I never break out our games as home versus away. Doesn't matter to me if we slaughter someone on their turf or ours and for fact I stated, "when we're headed up to URI, Albany, even Towson." This thought process is the reason we use the statement "living inside the bubble".

I guess because your home games are where the majority of your fans will be so you'll want to put on your best show for them. I imagine it would be pretty disappointing to have close games every year at your opponents stadiums and blowouts every year at all of your home games if your goal was to have close exciting games. The Weber State game was probably the most exciting game I've ever been to in person. If that game was played at Weber it would have still been good bot not nearly as exciting. My point is that if we think going to FBS automatically makes the experience better for our fans who attend our games I don't think that is true. I've had this argument in person with folks before as well but it is one reason why I think regular season NFL is so much better is that every week most of the games are close and could go either way. In college the vast majority of the games each week are blowouts with a handful of games being close. I don't think blowout games is the best argument for FCS vs FBS because I don't think it changes much. There are some good reasons for FBS I'm sure. Although for what it's worth I would take top of the FCS all day against G5. But I also know there are many who 100% disagree with me on that. I would also take close games over blowouts all day. The only danger is that if you play close games you probably lose a few as well which is not as much fun.

Agree that the Weber game was great which also had a favorable outcome, but also being a loss meant the season was over added to the excitement. Just as well I personally include the game at NDSU as one of the greatest entertainments I've experienced and I watched it on TV. Most people place that game above the Weber game simply due to the amount of conversation prior to and mentions it has gotten since. The Weber game is rarely mentioned therefore I conclude its not home games but who you play and the anticipation/confidence of a win.