(06-21-2016 12:50 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  How ESPN/CBS/NBC, other media, the nation view things:

Big Boy Conferences (P5's) worth multi multi millions to broadcast due to fan bases, large stadiums, viewer demand, advertising revenue attainable, etc.
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Peanut Line (people below this line get paid peanuts because thats what we are worth)

G5



Now you can further substrate the G5 group if you want:
AAC

MWC



MAC
Sunbelt
CUSA

but regardless, everybody below the peanut line still only gets peanuts....to one degree or another. UH winning the peach bowl or UCF Fiesta bowl win wont change that. They are viewed as "one off seasons" against most inferior teams.

Welcome to the truth.

don't know many that disagree with that assessment, but short of our schools being invited to a P5 conference then being in the best of the others and increasing its value is the best deal possible. So as long as my school is not in a P5 I will root for the AAC to separate itself from the others snd make as much as possible.

(06-21-2016 12:45 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 12:30 AM)pesik Wrote:  1) 2 finished ranked, a top 10 and a top 20..(id take that every year)

2) we played cincy with their qb, you know the 5 star all-american, who was projected a 1st round pick till his injuries started kicking in...but again you seem proud of yourself for beating the AAC #6 team without its qb..enjoy it

Cool story. What was the final score?

Quote:3) their is no such thing as a tv contract that doesnt have minimums. if you think espn can put all of them on espn3, it shows you know nothing about media rights..

That's why I mentioned Boise's minimum games. Those are the only minimums built into the contract.

Quote:4) we are talking about the left over games, nbcsports/time warner were airing games before the MTN shut down, those werent the leftover games

Yes, we're talking about leftover games. Time Warner Sports never had access to MWC games and Versus/NBC Sports bought a package of games from CBS on a yearly basis.

Quote:5) the games espn aired in 2012 all had boise or byu literally, all Boise or byu (and 1 weekday air force game)..

Wrong again. There were four MWC games broadcasted by ESPN that year...

Washington State @ UNLV
BYU @ Boise State
Hawaii @ Air Force
Boise State @ Nevada

Quote:i never denied that espn didnt want boise at the time..my whole point was based around the mwc using the leverage of wanting boise to get other games aired

And you're wrong. MWC used ESPN to get Boise back into the conference. They made Boise the focus of the ESPN deal which gave Boise what they wanted. The MWC was working on a deal with ESPN before Boise even came back into the picture.

ESPN got access to Boise' games and a ton of MWC content that they use on a frequent basis for pennies on the dollar.

Quote:6) what are you talking about? espn matched the nbcsports aac offer in February..accord to mcmurphy the mwc/espn didnt start negotiating till march and wasnt announced till the 20th of march..where are you getting your info from becuase its wrong

My bad I was looking at the date your total deal was announced not the ESPN specific part.

Quote:please tell me more about this magical tv contract that doesnt have minimums???

See above.

lol you really want that cincy game to mean something... why? you beat the #6 AAC team without their qb. funny thing is that we arent mocking you for it, you are the one that brought it up like it was something to brag about

boise isnt the only minimum, if you think that you are extremely naive or think the mwc doesnt have lawyers..im willing to bet a ton of money, and i mean a ton that their is a boise min and a min for the rest of the MWC..to think otherwise is dumb... even the sunbelt has minimums...if you truly believe this their is no point in this conversation going on as you have no clue how these things work...all that is announced isnt all that is in a contract

and secondly you can tell because espn never announces non-required games in the offseason and normally uses the 2 week window if it's voluntarily moving up games to ensure the games/teams will be good..yet non boise games are picked in the offseason

please look up the boise return contract, which was written by boise alone, it said their rights would be sold to espn, then look up Cincinnati's leaked emails, it stated that boise was in negotiations with tv networks and that boise wanted to sell it tv rights separately and already had a few deals on the table while still in the AAC

so it confirmed that boise was working on a deal for itself and then they contractual wrote that the mwc has to let them sell their rights to espn, but you think it was the mwc and its content that initiated the deal..okay sure

note that the MWC is the only conference where ESPN has second tier games, every other deal that espn has it rotates picks or has full control, they dont have a single deal besides the MWC where the other networks gets its fill of picks first before espn choses..if espn was serious after mwc content if would have negotiated a rotation with cbssports/mwc..

there is only one common sense answer here, that is that espn got what it wanted, the boise games and the mwc said if you want the boise games you have to air these many other mwc games ...espn is powerful enough that if it wanted mwc content it wouldnt have settled for tier 2 games

(06-21-2016 12:45 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 12:30 AM)pesik Wrote:  1) 2 finished ranked, a top 10 and a top 20..(id take that every year)

2) we played cincy with their qb, you know the 5 star all-american, who was projected a 1st round pick till his injuries started kicking in...but again you seem proud of yourself for beating the AAC #6 team without its qb..enjoy it

Cool story. What was the final score?

Quote:3) their is no such thing as a tv contract that doesnt have minimums. if you think espn can put all of them on espn3, it shows you know nothing about media rights..

That's why I mentioned Boise's minimum games. Those are the only minimums built into the contract.

Quote:4) we are talking about the left over games, nbcsports/time warner were airing games before the MTN shut down, those werent the leftover games

Yes, we're talking about leftover games. Time Warner Sports never had access to MWC games and Versus/NBC Sports bought a package of games from CBS on a yearly basis.

Quote:5) the games espn aired in 2012 all had boise or byu literally, all Boise or byu (and 1 weekday air force game)..

Wrong again. There were four MWC games broadcasted by ESPN that year...

Washington State @ UNLV
BYU @ Boise State
Hawaii @ Air Force
Boise State @ Nevada

Quote:i never denied that espn didnt want boise at the time..my whole point was based around the mwc using the leverage of wanting boise to get other games aired

And you're wrong. MWC used ESPN to get Boise back into the conference. They made Boise the focus of the ESPN deal which gave Boise what they wanted. The MWC was working on a deal with ESPN before Boise even came back into the picture.

ESPN got access to Boise' games and a ton of MWC content that they use on a frequent basis for pennies on the dollar.

Quote:6) what are you talking about? espn matched the nbcsports aac offer in February..accord to mcmurphy the mwc/espn didnt start negotiating till march and wasnt announced till the 20th of march..where are you getting your info from becuase its wrong

My bad I was looking at the date your total deal was announced not the ESPN specific part.

Quote:please tell me more about this magical tv contract that doesnt have minimums???

See above.

Your point is. USF defeated Cincinnat 65-27 and was ahead 51-3 at half...way more of a rout than SDSU put on them. So they hung with Houston one week, they still were, at best, the #6 AAC team. At best, and possibly a couple spots lower.

(06-21-2016 01:51 PM)pesik Wrote:  lol you really want that cincy game to mean something... why? you beat the #6 AAC team without their qb. funny thing is that we arent mocking you for it, you are the one that brought it up like it was something to brag about

Not bragging about it just stating facts. I'm sorry you don't like those facts.

Quote:boise isnt the only minimum, if you think that you are extremely naive or think the mwc doesnt have lawyers..im willing to bet a ton of money, and i mean a ton that their is a boise min and a min for the rest of the MWC..to think otherwise is dumb... even the sunbelt has minimums...if you truly believe this their is no point in this conversation going on as you have no clue how these things work...all that is announced isnt all that is in a contract

Yes the Sun Belt has minimums as they were negotiating in good faith for the entire conference. The MWC was negotiating to try to convince Boise to come back to the MWC. It wasn't negotiating in good faith for the entire conference. There are no MWC minimum games to be broadcasted other than Boise's games. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it any less true.

Quote:and secondly you can tell because espn never announces non-required games in the offseason and normally uses the 2 week window if it's voluntarily moving up games to ensure the games/teams will be good..yet non boise games are picked in the offseason

The games ESPN announces during the offseason are weekday games. They are announced early so schedules can be adjusted. If they are required games wouldn't the number be the same every year?

'13
BSU - 1
MWC - 6

'14
BSU - 2
MWC - 5

'15
BSU - 2
MWC - 4

'16
BSU - 3
MWC - 2

All were weekday games.

Quote:please look up the boise return contract, which was written by boise alone, it said their rights would be sold to espn, then look up Cincinnati's leaked emails, it stated that boise was in negotiations with tv networks and that boise wanted to sell it tv rights separately and already had a few deals on the table while still in the AAC

I didn't say Boise wasn't negotiating with anybody. The MWC was as well. They switched to negotiating with ESPN exclusively because that's what Boise wanted.

Quote:so it confirmed that boise was working on a deal for itself and then they contractual wrote that the mwc has to let them sell their rights to espn, but you think it was the mwc and its content that initiated the deal..okay sure

It was both. Think about it. If Boise was the only thing ESPN wanted why did Boise agree to only a guaranteed $1.1 million in bonus money? I mean if Boise is all ESPN wanted (at $6 million) why wouldn't Boise take the $6 million and go Indy?

Quote:
note that the MWC is the only conference where ESPN has second tier games, every other deal that espn has it rotates picks or has full control, they dont have a single deal besides the MWC where the other networks gets its fill of picks first before espn choses..if espn was serious after mwc content if would have negotiated a rotation with cbssports/mwc..

Because CBS already owned the first tier. It wasn't up for negotiation. They can't sell something to ESPN that they don't own. ESPN does alternate with CBS by the way. CBS gets the first eight picks, then ESPN and CBS alternate picks after that.

Quote:there is only one common sense answer here, that is that espn got what it wanted, the boise games and the mwc said if you want the boise games you have to air these many other mwc games ...espn is powerful enough that if it wanted mwc content it wouldnt have settled for tier 2 games

It's not powerful enough to break a contract between CBS and the MWC. What incentive is there for the CBS to give up cheap quality content to a competitor?

No offense but you really don't have an understanding of the MWC TV contract.

http://collegefootballnews.com/2016/grou...ms-power-5

(06-22-2016 11:29 AM)dantes69 Wrote:  http://collegefootballnews.com/2016/grou...ms-power-5

Seven AAC teams on that list and four MWC teams. I think you proved the point of which is the best G5 conference, the premise of the OP. Congratulations.


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(06-22-2016 11:29 AM)dantes69 Wrote:  http://collegefootballnews.com/2016/grou...ms-power-5

And yet you're still in the mwc with little chance the Pac 12 will save you. Life isn't fair.

(06-20-2016 09:48 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 08:28 PM)pesik Wrote:  if you think about it the MWC was dramatically stronger at the time of their deal (renegotiation), it was viewed as 3-4 bid bball league then, now its struggling not to be a 1 bid league ...in football boise was still viewed as an elite top 10 caliber team, teams like sjsu and utah state were coming off good last seasons in the WAC, fresno was viewed as a contender and the MWC looked to have a little depth..now the MWC looks like hot garbage

The MWC is hot garbage but so is most of the AAC on the football field.

Quote:boise is just viewed as a good g5, not an elite team anymore and 85% of your teams get blownout versus anyone decent in OOC including your champ last year

SDSU donkey punched Cincy who your champ struggled to beat.

Quote:espn is essentially paying 6mil a year for 6 boise games..(the real reason for its value) if you think espn will be willing to pay that the next go round in 2019 for an "above average g5" when they pay the entire c-usa 2.8 mil for all 300 of their sporting events you are going to be disappointed

This couldn't be anymore wrong. They paid that money because they knew it would slow them them access to MWC games for pennies on the dollar. If that money was all about Boise there wouldn't be any Non-Boise MWC games on ESPN.

Quote:forget raise, what has the mwc done to retain its value...the league is getting worse each year

Win the same amount of Access Bowls as the AAC...

Everybody abuses cincy. You lost me there

(06-22-2016 11:47 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 11:29 AM)dantes69 Wrote:  http://collegefootballnews.com/2016/grou...ms-power-5

Seven AAC teams on that list and four MWC teams. I think you proved the point of which is the best G5 conference, the premise of the OP. Congratulations.


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And the top 10 are?
Seven from AAC
One independent
One from MAC
One from MWC

Yep you answered the question lol