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OT: Divisionless B1G
Since it is summer we need stuff to talk about. So how about a division less B1G. I know it has been batted around a bit but here is one take from SBNation (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...rivalries.

Here is an idea: (sorry about the format, copy and paste)

Team Rival Rival Rival

Illinois northwestern osu purdue

Indiana northwestern purdue rutgers

Iowa minnesota nebraska wisconsin

Maryland northwestern psu rutgers

Michigan minnesota msu osu

Michigan State michigan nebraska psu

Minnesota iowa michigan wisconsin

Nebraska iowa msu wisconsin

Northwestern illinois indiana maryland

Ohio State illinois michigan psu

Penn State maryland msu osu

Purdue illinois indiana rutgers

Rutgers indiana maryland purdue

Wisconsin iowa minnesota nebraska

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Meh, I'd rather just use the natural groupings if you do this
The Quadrangle of Hate are all protected (Minny, Wiscy, Iowa, Nebraska)
The Middle Mediocrity are all protected (Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, NW)
Then you can break down the last six into groups of three: Sparty, Michigan, tOSU are all protected against each other, as are PSU, Rutgers, and Maryland.
So the last step is giving those last six a cross-protection pair, and I think it lines up nicely: Sparty gets Maryland (basketball or something), Penn State gets Ohio State (borders!) and Michigan gets Rutgers because that’s the leftovers and hey it works out great.

As for uneven scheduling – eh, whatever. At least one of OSU/UM/Sparty is likely to emerge every year, and this way you’re still protecting most serious rivalries and still get to play the others every couple years

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So what does everyone think about the pairing in general and also specifically to your school?
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RE: OT: Divisionless B1G
Would rather expand and create pods.
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RE: OT: Divisionless B1G
Ok, that is fine but expansion is still years away. If you were king of the world and expansion wan't an option. What current teams would Nebraska want to play? For MD, I like the 2 from the comment section (both are the same). They have MD playing PSU, RU and MSU annually. I think MD, PSU and RU should all play each other every year. If MSU doesn't happen, another team I'd like to play would be Indiana. Both school are basketball first and don't have a ton of historical success in football. I think it would be pretty even series and would spill over to the b-ball court.
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As a Michigan fan, that is exactly the three I would pick.
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(06-16-2016 01:21 PM)dayooper Wrote:  As a Michigan fan, that is exactly the three I would pick.

As a Rutgers fan, I agree. NJ recruiting has always been important for Michigan and for Harbaugh. There's a bit of a rivalry brewing between Ash and Harbaugh out there. Also, there's the two oldest FBS football programs angle. PSU and Maryland for us are obvious.
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I wouldn't mind a divisionless Big Ten. Penn State would need Ohio State to be a rival. The other two are debatable but I'd make them Rutgers and Maryland, in that order. Penn State wants to recruit students from the Philadelphia-New Jersey-New York area so Rutgers is important. Same for Washington-Baltimore region. Penn State has a history of being the flagship of the northeast and playing Rutgers and Maryland are the best way to show that.

Michigan State really isn't that important to the Penn State fans I know. They may have a "trophy" game that is played in the last week of the season, typical of rivalry games, but there just isn't that much hatred from Penn State fans. More like a general dislike. Michigan is much more hated and I would say they are Penn State's number two rival, though it isn't mutual by the Wolverines.

When the Big Ten went to 12 members, Nebraska was supposed to be our cross-division rival and that was great. For not being conference foes, Nebraska and Penn State share a little heat for 1982 and 1994. I'd like to play them more often than currently but it doesn't have to be yearly as there are too many schools I want to play often.

Schools I want Penn State to play yearly: Ohio State, Michigan, Rutgers, Maryland, Michigan State.
Schools I want Penn State to play regularly: Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Iowa.
Schools I don't care all that much about but don't want to not play: Indiana, Illinois, Purdue.
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(06-16-2016 11:41 AM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  Ok, that is fine but expansion is still years away. If you were king of the world and expansion wan't an option. What current teams would Nebraska want to play? For MD, I like the 2 from the comment section (both are the same). They have MD playing PSU, RU and MSU annually. I think MD, PSU and RU should all play each other every year. If MSU doesn't happen, another team I'd like to play would be Indiana. Both school are basketball first and don't have a ton of historical success in football. I think it would be pretty even series and would spill over to the b-ball court.

Michigan State is football first.
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(06-16-2016 07:44 PM)Sparty84 Wrote:  
(06-16-2016 11:41 AM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  Ok, that is fine but expansion is still years away. If you were king of the world and expansion wan't an option. What current teams would Nebraska want to play? For MD, I like the 2 from the comment section (both are the same). They have MD playing PSU, RU and MSU annually. I think MD, PSU and RU should all play each other every year. If MSU doesn't happen, another team I'd like to play would be Indiana. Both school are basketball first and don't have a ton of historical success in football. I think it would be pretty even series and would spill over to the b-ball court.

Michigan State is football first.

That is fine. It is something I'd LIKE to see happen but I know the MSU crowd would not likely reciprocate it. I like what we have going for b-ball with MSU. For football, the Terps need to improve quite a bit to make this a fun game. Hope that with new HC DJ Durkin and the impressive job he (and the other coaches) have done with recruiting that the Terps can show some big improvement in 2 or 3 years. Also, that is why I previously posted about having Indiana as a potential annual opponent.
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Protected Rivalries:

Wisc- NU, Iowa, Minny

NU- Wisc, Iowa, Minny

Minny- Wisc, NU, UM

UM- OSU, MSU, Minny

Illinois- NW, Purdue, Indiana

Indiana- Purdue, Illinois, NW

MSU- UM, UM, PSU

OSU- UM, MSU, Rutgers

PSU- Rutgers, Maryland, MSU

Maryland- Rutgers, PSU

Iowa- Wisc, NU, Maryland

NW- Illinois, Indiana, Purdue

Purdue- Illinois, Indiana, NW

Rutgers- Maryland, PSU, OSU
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(06-16-2016 07:04 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I wouldn't mind a divisionless Big Ten. Penn State would need Ohio State to be a rival. The other two are debatable but I'd make them Rutgers and Maryland, in that order. Penn State wants to recruit students from the Philadelphia-New Jersey-New York area so Rutgers is important. Same for Washington-Baltimore region. Penn State has a history of being the flagship of the northeast and playing Rutgers and Maryland are the best way to show that.

Michigan State really isn't that important to the Penn State fans I know. They may have a "trophy" game that is played in the last week of the season, typical of rivalry games, but there just isn't that much hatred from Penn State fans. More like a general dislike. Michigan is much more hated and I would say they are Penn State's number two rival, though it isn't mutual by the Wolverines.

When the Big Ten went to 12 members, Nebraska was supposed to be our cross-division rival and that was great. For not being conference foes, Nebraska and Penn State share a little heat for 1982 and 1994. I'd like to play them more often than currently but it doesn't have to be yearly as there are too many schools I want to play often.

Schools I want Penn State to play yearly: Ohio State, Michigan, Rutgers, Maryland, Michigan State.
Schools I want Penn State to play regularly: Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Iowa.
Schools I don't care all that much about but don't want to not play: Indiana, Illinois, Purdue.

I can see this. There have been some great games, some horrific calls and lots a hate between Michigan and PSU. One of my favorite games of all time was "Judgement Day," the 1997 game at PSU. It still has one of biggest and scariest hits I have ever seen. If the timing of PSU's entry was different and PSU had been in the Big10 longer, I think Michigan PSU would be a great rivalry, on par with Michigan/ Notre Dame.

I like your idea of who you want every year, regularly and don't care much about. Here are mine:

Every year: OSU, MSU, Minnesota, PSU and NW (I just like the purple kitten warriors for some reason)

Regularly: Wisky, Nebraska, Illinois (there are some great games against the Illini in our history)

Care less: Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers, Iowa and UMD (I would move them to the next level up with a few more games).

If Oklahoma and Kansas were to join the Big10, OU would be in the second group and Kansas would be in a new group of never wanting to play them.
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RE: OT: Divisionless B1G
Would rather have less permanent games, and more rotation through the other teams. I think 2 set games per team is enough.
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(06-17-2016 03:46 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Protected Rivalries:

Wisc- NU, Iowa, Minny

NU- Wisc, Iowa, Minny

Minny- Wisc, NU, UM

UM- OSU, MSU, Minny

Illinois- NW, Purdue, Indiana

Indiana- Purdue, Illinois, NW

MSU- UM, UM, PSU ---> UM, OSU, PSU

OSU- UM, MSU, Rutgers

PSU- Rutgers, Maryland, MSU

Maryland- Rutgers, PSU -----> RU, PSU, Iowa

Iowa- Wisc, NU, Maryland

NW- Illinois, Indiana, Purdue

Purdue- Illinois, Indiana, NW

Rutgers- Maryland, PSU, OSU

Need some clarification on this. So Iowa vs MD??? Is that what was left over or what was the thought for that? I'd think they'd rather play Minny or someone closer. I get it is hard with only 3 teams. Going full home when putting RU and OSU together. 03-drunk But it's your list so you do it how you want. 04-cheers
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(06-17-2016 03:46 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Protected Rivalries:

MSU- UM, UM, Rutgers

OSU- UM, MSU, PSU

PSU- Rutgers, Maryland, OSU

Rutgers- Maryland, PSU, MSU

I don't know about the other schools, but Penn State sure as heck isn't giving up the Ohio State game. Especially not for Michigan State.
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(06-17-2016 04:44 PM)dayooper Wrote:  
(06-16-2016 07:04 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I wouldn't mind a divisionless Big Ten. Penn State would need Ohio State to be a rival. The other two are debatable but I'd make them Rutgers and Maryland, in that order. Penn State wants to recruit students from the Philadelphia-New Jersey-New York area so Rutgers is important. Same for Washington-Baltimore region. Penn State has a history of being the flagship of the northeast and playing Rutgers and Maryland are the best way to show that.

Michigan State really isn't that important to the Penn State fans I know. They may have a "trophy" game that is played in the last week of the season, typical of rivalry games, but there just isn't that much hatred from Penn State fans. More like a general dislike. Michigan is much more hated and I would say they are Penn State's number two rival, though it isn't mutual by the Wolverines.

When the Big Ten went to 12 members, Nebraska was supposed to be our cross-division rival and that was great. For not being conference foes, Nebraska and Penn State share a little heat for 1982 and 1994. I'd like to play them more often than currently but it doesn't have to be yearly as there are too many schools I want to play often.

Schools I want Penn State to play yearly: Ohio State, Michigan, Rutgers, Maryland, Michigan State.
Schools I want Penn State to play regularly: Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Iowa.
Schools I don't care all that much about but don't want to not play: Indiana, Illinois, Purdue.

I can see this. There have been some great games, some horrific calls and lots a hate between Michigan and PSU. One of my favorite games of all time was "Judgement Day," the 1997 game at PSU. It still has one of biggest and scariest hits I have ever seen. If the timing of PSU's entry was different and PSU had been in the Big10 longer, I think Michigan PSU would be a great rivalry, on par with Michigan/ Notre Dame.

I like your idea of who you want every year, regularly and don't care much about. Here are mine:

Every year: OSU, MSU, Minnesota, PSU and NW (I just like the purple kitten warriors for some reason)

Regularly: Wisky, Nebraska, Illinois (there are some great games against the Illini in our history)

Care less: Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers, Iowa and UMD (I would move them to the next level up with a few more games).

If Oklahoma and Kansas were to join the Big10, OU would be in the second group and Kansas would be in a new group of never wanting to play them.

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(06-17-2016 11:36 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  We all know why you don't want to see more of us. 05-stirthepot

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(06-17-2016 06:05 PM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  
(06-17-2016 03:46 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Protected Rivalries:

Wisc- NU, Iowa, Minny

NU- Wisc, Iowa, Minny

Minny- Wisc, NU, UM

UM- OSU, MSU, Minny

Illinois- NW, Purdue, Indiana

Indiana- Purdue, Illinois, NW

MSU- UM, UM, PSU ---> UM, OSU, PSU

OSU- UM, MSU, Rutgers

PSU- Rutgers, Maryland, MSU

Maryland- Rutgers, PSU -----> RU, PSU, Iowa

Iowa- Wisc, NU, Maryland

NW- Illinois, Indiana, Purdue

Purdue- Illinois, Indiana, NW

Rutgers- Maryland, PSU, OSU

Need some clarification on this. So Iowa vs MD??? Is that what was left over or what was the thought for that? I'd think they'd rather play Minny or someone closer. I get it is hard with only 3 teams. Going full home when putting RU and OSU together. 03-drunk But it's your list so you do it how you want. 04-cheers

I know theyd rather play Minny but I also know Minny rather play UM for the Paul Bunyon Axe every year. Someone is going to have an odd east/west match up.
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(06-18-2016 09:35 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-17-2016 06:05 PM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  Need some clarification on this. So Iowa vs MD??? Is that what was left over or what was the thought for that? I'd think they'd rather play Minny or someone closer. I get it is hard with only 3 teams. Going full home when putting RU and OSU together. 03-drunk But it's your list so you do it how you want. 04-cheers

I know theyd rather play Minny but I also know Minny rather play UM for the Paul Bunyon Axe every year. Someone is going to have an odd east/west match up.

Just being a pain, but Michigan and Minnesota play for the Little Brown Jug. Minnesota and Wisconsin play for the Paul Bunyon Axe.
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https://frankthetank.me/2014/02/06/its-n...-thoughts/

This is the best division less set up for a fourteen school B1G, I have seen at least. However, this was designed for eight conference games. I prefer the east/west division alignment until the B1G goes to sixteen. At that point, a four pod alignment makes the most sense.
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(06-21-2016 06:46 PM)akhosrof Wrote:  https://frankthetank.me/2014/02/06/its-n...-thoughts/

This is the best division less set up for a fourteen school B1G, I have seen at least. However, this was designed for eight conference games. I prefer the east/west division alignment until the B1G goes to sixteen. At that point, a four pod alignment makes the most sense.

While you will never please everyone, I like that set up. I'd sign up in a heart beat. The only question I have is for the bolded part above.

In the article Frank says "If I was running the Big Ten, I’d use the K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid) strategy of assigning every school 3 permanent rivals that it will play annually based on geography. That would then leave 6 other games to fill on the 9-game schedule every year." Am I missing something?

Here is what Frank had for those interested. And yes, I started to color code it and then gave up.

SCHOOL RIVAL #1 RIVAL #2 RIVAL #3

Illinois Northwestern Indiana Purdue

Indiana Purdue Illinois Northwestern


Iowa Nebraska Wisconsin Minnesota

Maryland Michigan State Rutgers Penn State

Michigan Ohio State Michigan State Rutgers

Michigan State Maryland Michigan Ohio State

Minnesota Wisconsin Nebraska Iowa

Nebraska Iowa Minnesota Wisconsin

Northwestern Illinois Purdue Indiana

Ohio State Michigan Penn State Michigan State

Penn State Rutgers Ohio State Maryland

Purdue Indiana Northwestern Illinois

Rutgers Penn State Maryland Michigan

Wisconsin Minnesota Iowa Nebraska
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You're right, my initial thought was eight games equaled annual games against rivals, then play non-rivals on a biennial basis. The math worked out clean.

However, as Frank mentions, nine games equals six times every ten years approximately for non-rivals. I am fine with that.

I prefer the East-West alignment with 14, however, the designated rival set up is great too. For fans, even if you don't play a lesser rival each year, you'll still see them biennially. It would make the conference seem more connected, and it's not much different than when the conference had only twelve members. A four year player would see every campus.

However, the B1G made such a stink about college football having divisions it's hard to imagine them changing their position.

At the very least, I'd prefer this rival designation for determining home and home games with a basketball schedule.
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