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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2018
There has been some talk about Dajour Dickens asking for a wavier so he can play this year (2018-19). I am totally in the dark how this process works and was hoping that someone that has some knowledge about this could shed some light on the matter.

1) Would ODU or Dajour Dickens have already applied for the wavier at this time.

2) Is there a committee appointed of Basketball Coaches or is it made up of NCAA school athletic members or is this a decision that is made through the NCAA at a administrative level by employees or staff that reviews the waivers.

3) What is the timeline for a decision, or is it totally up to the discretion of the NCAA as to when the decision is made.

4) Before a decision is made about a potential wavier is Dajour Dickens allowed to practice with the team or is his involvement limited by a set of rules set forth by the NCAA.

5) Did I read this right somewhere that the wavier is a request because of a medical red shirt that Dajour Dickens had at Providence.

With our history in dealing with the NCAA, it has not been very favorable to ODU. In the past, from what I remember there was NOT any logical reason given for the denials and they have certainly NOT given ODU any breaks or done us any favors. Is there any logical reason that anyone sees a favorable opinion with this request.

Just curious...……..?

Thanks for any info in regards to this matter.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2018
(07-25-2018 09:27 AM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  There has been some talk about Dajour Dickens asking for a wavier so he can play this year (2018-19). I am totally in the dark how this process works and was hoping that someone that has some knowledge about this could shed some light on the matter.

1) Would ODU or Dajour Dickens have already applied for the wavier at this time.

2) Is there a committee appointed of Basketball Coaches or is it made up of NCAA school athletic members or is this a decision that is made through the NCAA at a administrative level by employees or staff that reviews the waivers.

3) What is the timeline for a decision, or is it totally up to the discretion of the NCAA as to when the decision is made.

4) Before a decision is made about a potential wavier is Dajour Dickens allowed to practice with the team or is his involvement limited by a set of rules set forth by the NCAA.

5) Did I read this right somewhere that the wavier is a request because of a medical red shirt that Dajour Dickens had at Providence.

With our history in dealing with the NCAA, it has not been very favorable to ODU. In the past, from what I remember there was NOT any logical reason given for the denials and they have certainly NOT given ODU any breaks or done us any favors. Is there any logical reason that anyone sees a favorable opinion with this request.

Just curious...……..?

Thanks for any info in regards to this matter.

1) The initial waiver should be already submitted OR in the process of being submitted. There isn’t really a timeline on when it needs to be submitted, but the earlier the better as the NCAA may come back and request additional information (thus slowing down the entire process).

2) the decision is made by the NCAA waivers committee (all individuals work for the NCAA and have no college affiliation)

3) The NCAA “tries” to have waiver decisions (that impact the upcoming season) finalized prior to the start of the season. So if ODU submitted two waivers (for the same scenario) today, one for football and one for basketball, the NCAA would finalize a decision on the football first. While the NCAA will try to get the decision prior to the start of a season, that doesn’t always happen especially if more information is needed. (By start of the season I mean actual practice not individuals, so early to mid October)

4) At this time Dickins can do everything except compete against outside competition AND travel. Any one serving their year in residence (due to transfer) can practice.

I doubt the NCAA will grant the waiver. As you are seeing more and more cases where medical redshirts who transfer receive an additional year to play 4. I would expect the NCAA to extend his 5 year clock to 6. But it’s the NCAA so you never know
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2018
http://web1.ncaa.org/committees/committe...=1IEWAIVER

Is that the committee? If so looks like they belong to institutions?

Here are all the comittee's listed: http://www.ncaa.org/governance/committees?division=d1
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(07-25-2018 11:03 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  http://web1.ncaa.org/committees/committe...=1IEWAIVER

Is that the committee? If so looks like they belong to institutions?

Here are all the comittee's listed: http://www.ncaa.org/governance/committees?division=d1

That’s initial eligibility. They only deal with freshmen eligibility concerns.

Basically his waiver will be assigned to someone at the NCAA.
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I stopped following this because there is nothing to learn from the same posters acting like children on a play ground trying to convince somebody that they actually know something. The same old tired misinformation from some and the same old we haven't been dancing from others. So before you start calling me names and saying ugly things about me. Here is some actual real news. The big boy from LSU is going to start and play probably half the game. Maybe a little bit more . We are actually going to play a lot more zone this year. All 3 freshmen are going to play( no redshirts) The bigger of the 2 freshmen forwards is going to start. The slender one is going to play in the rotation.The Pitt transfer is going to play the 2 spot and point guard. Caver is going to play point guard but will also play the 2 spot. The Pitt kid is the quickest kid on the floor...no comparision BJ is going to rotate between the 3 and 4 spots. Green is going to be 6th man. Wade is going to also figure in the rotation at the 2 and 3 spot. Yes Carver will play but only limited minutes . He is good on defense . No offense what so ever.
I am sure some of you by now are chomping at the bit to say I forgot about the other 7 footer. Until he is declared eligible ( which does not look promising ) he does not figure in the rotation. If and it is a big if he is cleared to play he will play ….a lot. He is a player. So, let the posturing begin.Back to the playground with the I did...you did not..did too!!!
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(07-29-2018 07:24 PM)blewbyu Wrote:  I stopped following this because there is nothing to learn from the same posters acting like children on a play ground trying to convince somebody that they actually know something. The same old tired misinformation from some and the same old we haven't been dancing from others. So before you start calling me names and saying ugly things about me. Here is some actual real news. The big boy from LSU is going to start and play probably half the game. Maybe a little bit more . We are actually going to play a lot more zone this year. All 3 freshmen are going to play( no redshirts) The bigger of the 2 freshmen forwards is going to start. The slender one is going to play in the rotation.The Pitt transfer is going to play the 2 spot and point guard. Caver is going to play point guard but will also play the 2 spot. The Pitt kid is the quickest kid on the floor...no comparision BJ is going to rotate between the 3 and 4 spots. Green is going to be 6th man. Wade is going to also figure in the rotation at the 2 and 3 spot. Yes Carver will play but only limited minutes . He is good on defense . No offense what so ever.
I am sure some of you by now are chomping at the bit to say I forgot about the other 7 footer. Until he is declared eligible ( which does not look promising ) he does not figure in the rotation. If and it is a big if he is cleared to play he will play ….a lot. He is a player. So, let the posturing begin.Back to the playground with the I did...you did not..did too!!!

Thanks for the info. I guess the only 2018 news left is whether or not Dickens gets his waiver. Other than that, let the battles ensue because this thread has served it's purpose.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2018
(07-29-2018 07:24 PM)blewbyu Wrote:  I stopped following this because there is nothing to learn from the same posters acting like children on a play ground trying to convince somebody that they actually know something. The same old tired misinformation from some and the same old we haven't been dancing from others. So before you start calling me names and saying ugly things about me. Here is some actual real news. The big boy from LSU is going to start and play probably half the game. Maybe a little bit more . We are actually going to play a lot more zone this year. All 3 freshmen are going to play( no redshirts) The bigger of the 2 freshmen forwards is going to start. The slender one is going to play in the rotation.The Pitt transfer is going to play the 2 spot and point guard. Caver is going to play point guard but will also play the 2 spot. The Pitt kid is the quickest kid on the floor...no comparision BJ is going to rotate between the 3 and 4 spots. Green is going to be 6th man. Wade is going to also figure in the rotation at the 2 and 3 spot. Yes Carver will play but only limited minutes . He is good on defense . No offense what so ever.
I am sure some of you by now are chomping at the bit to say I forgot about the other 7 footer. Until he is declared eligible ( which does not look promising ) he does not figure in the rotation. If and it is a big if he is cleared to play he will play ….a lot. He is a player. So, let the posturing begin.Back to the playground with the I did...you did not..did too!!!

I appreciate your thoughts on the matter.

The fact remains though that if Dickens can’t play this year, we are most likely once again not an NCAA tourney team.

Agree or disagree?
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2018
(07-29-2018 07:24 PM)blewbyu Wrote:  I stopped following this because there is nothing to learn from the same posters acting like children on a play ground trying to convince somebody that they actually know something. The same old tired misinformation from some and the same old we haven't been dancing from others. So before you start calling me names and saying ugly things about me. Here is some actual real news. The big boy from LSU is going to start and play probably half the game. Maybe a little bit more . We are actually going to play a lot more zone this year. All 3 freshmen are going to play( no redshirts) The bigger of the 2 freshmen forwards is going to start. The slender one is going to play in the rotation.The Pitt transfer is going to play the 2 spot and point guard. Caver is going to play point guard but will also play the 2 spot. The Pitt kid is the quickest kid on the floor...no comparision BJ is going to rotate between the 3 and 4 spots. Green is going to be 6th man. Wade is going to also figure in the rotation at the 2 and 3 spot. Yes Carver will play but only limited minutes . He is good on defense . No offense what so ever.
I am sure some of you by now are chomping at the bit to say I forgot about the other 7 footer. Until he is declared eligible ( which does not look promising ) he does not figure in the rotation. If and it is a big if he is cleared to play he will play ….a lot. He is a player. So, let the posturing begin.Back to the playground with the I did...you did not..did too!!!

Is this inside information from the coaching staff or a member of the team, or simply a personal opinion? Breaking down your comments here is what I got ...

STARTERS -
1 - Caver
2 - Pitt transfer
3 - BJ
4 - Freshman from GA
5 - Transfer from LSU

FIRST BACKUP AT EACH POSITION -
1 - Pitt transfer
2 - Caver, or Green, Freshman (Wade)
3 - Freshman (Wade)
4 - BJ, slender Freshman
5 - ????

That leaves Carver who you stated will play but "only sparingly", and no mention at all of Godwin anywhere in the mix.

Not knowing if this comes from the coaches or not, I am still skeptical of the team playing a lot more zone this season. I hope it is true, but will not believe it till I see it. I'm not sure that Jeff will devote enough time in practice working on the zone for it to become solid since he likes to work so much on his man-to-man. If it isn't working he will quickly return to playing man-to-man. Again, I hope he proves otherwise.

If Dickins isn't available then who is the backup center? If the LSU guy is in foul trouble, gets an illness, injury, etc. ... who is the starting and backup center (assuming Dickins isn't available)?

ODU has had some stellar freshmen forwards and centers over the years. Guys like Mark West, Kenny Gattison, Ronnie Valentine, and Alex Laughton immediately come to mind. Most however don't play to that level as freshmen. Hopefully at least one of these current freshmen will play up to, or at least very near, that level - especially if they end up having to start.

It seems to me that ODU has too many question marks to expect them to have the kind of season this year that many on here have been pointing towards them having for the last couple of seasons. There's always hope though.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2018
https://csnbbs.com/thread-854304.html - new thread to carry on the lineup/expectations. This thread is almost time to close soon anyway. Only news left is waiver.
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(07-30-2018 07:26 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  https://csnbbs.com/thread-854304.html - new thread to carry on the lineup/expectations. This thread is almost time to close soon anyway. Only news left is waiver.

Agreed and that really isn't a recruiting story since he is already on campus.
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(07-30-2018 07:26 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  https://csnbbs.com/thread-854304.html - new thread to carry on the lineup/expectations. This thread is almost time to close soon anyway. Only news left is waiver.

Don't know why it is necessary to shut down a thread just because it is winding up but still receiving posts. At this point I don't believe anyone seriously comes to this topic expecting to see 2018 recruiting information. Probably half the topics on the boards evolve into other discussions at some point or another. In any case, are you going to transpose the pertinent comments from this thread into the new thread? I'm not going to retype my comments/questions from last night all over again.
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(07-30-2018 10:22 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 07:26 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  https://csnbbs.com/thread-854304.html - new thread to carry on the lineup/expectations. This thread is almost time to close soon anyway. Only news left is waiver.

Don't know why it is necessary to shut down a thread just because it is winding up but still receiving posts. At this point I don't believe anyone seriously comes to this topic expecting to see 2018 recruiting information. Probably half the topics on the boards evolve into other discussions at some point or another. In any case, are you going to transpose the pertinent comments from this thread into the new thread? I'm not going to retype my comments/questions from last night all over again.
Go read it. I did.

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(07-30-2018 10:22 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 07:26 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  https://csnbbs.com/thread-854304.html - new thread to carry on the lineup/expectations. This thread is almost time to close soon anyway. Only news left is waiver.

Don't know why it is necessary to shut down a thread just because it is winding up but still receiving posts. At this point I don't believe anyone seriously comes to this topic expecting to see 2018 recruiting information. Probably half the topics on the boards evolve into other discussions at some point or another. In any case, are you going to transpose the pertinent comments from this thread into the new thread? I'm not going to retype my comments/questions from last night all over again.

It won't be shut down, eventually it will just be untagged as "important".
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(07-30-2018 10:22 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 07:26 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  https://csnbbs.com/thread-854304.html - new thread to carry on the lineup/expectations. This thread is almost time to close soon anyway. Only news left is waiver.

Don't know why it is necessary to shut down a thread just because it is winding up but still receiving posts. At this point I don't believe anyone seriously comes to this topic expecting to see 2018 recruiting information. Probably half the topics on the boards evolve into other discussions at some point or another. In any case, are you going to transpose the pertinent comments from this thread into the new thread? I'm not going to retype my comments/questions from last night all over again.
Go read it. I did.

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.

Thanks for the forethought to do all of that before moving the party down the street. 04-cheers
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high 5!
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(07-30-2018 10:22 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(07-30-2018 07:26 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  https://csnbbs.com/thread-854304.html - new thread to carry on the lineup/expectations. This thread is almost time to close soon anyway. Only news left is waiver.

Don't know why it is necessary to shut down a thread just because it is winding up but still receiving posts. At this point I don't believe anyone seriously comes to this topic expecting to see 2018 recruiting information. Probably half the topics on the boards evolve into other discussions at some point or another. In any case, are you going to transpose the pertinent comments from this thread into the new thread? I'm not going to retype my comments/questions from last night all over again.

Since we've agreed this thread is derailed, you must be insane if you believe the y above highlighted is true. Try 100%.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2018
Dajour Dickens has not enrolled at ODU yet and is not on the official roster with the other newcomers. Does anyone know what the situation is?

http://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/old-dominion
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Should we be worried? Was he too late to sign up for summer classes so not registering until the fall?
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(08-04-2018 10:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Should we be worried? Was he too late to sign up for summer classes so not registering until the fall?

You should never be worried about ODU basketball.
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(08-04-2018 12:10 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  
(08-04-2018 10:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Should we be worried? Was he too late to sign up for summer classes so not registering until the fall?

You should never be worried about ODU basketball.

Yep. Maybe it’s just a cold lol.
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